she might be entj...or perhaps entp ...hm, not sure, enfj might work too...
Hillary Clinton (old discussions)
she might be entj...or perhaps entp ...hm, not sure, enfj might work too...
We've talked about her before and come up with ENTj. I think she's ENTj anyway but I won't speak for everyone. Anyway, if you do a search you should find some more discussion.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
The Clintons
Some arguments concerning the type of Hillary Clinton that I have come across.
-An internet rumor she took the (official) MBTI test and tested as INTJ (and Bill as ENFP)
-Possibly ENFJ according to Dioklecian
-Probably Beta/Gamma (resolute) rational according to Expat
-ENTJ according to Keirsey
-"She might be EXXp or IXXj though." according to Sergei Ganin
Do we have any other suggestions?
And can anyone actually provide reasonable arguments.
My current top bet would be ISTJ.
I hate her.
LSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.
Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not
. I don't see an Fe role, either. It all seems terribly forced.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
she could be an intj.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Her tool factor is off the charts for an INTj. She seems entirely unoriginal.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Diana - that might be more about whether people identify with her politics than what type she is. I think it can be hard to identify politicians because if you like their politics you're more likely to like them and think they're a compatible type, and the opposite is true too of course, which could lead people toward or away from types for the wrong reason.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
My-my-my
It starts to look increasingly likely Hillary Clinton might not be INFJ after all...
I don't think she could possibly be INFj because I think she values Se.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Yes, well she does rather give that impression but her attempts to be forceful always come across as terribly unnatural and uncontrollable.
Constant struggle to overcome her PoLR seems the most plausible explanation to me.
She is not an ethical type. I read her autobiography and she seems Te-dominant. I would say Gamma and
therefore ENTj. Bill Clinton is gamma or delta. I suspect ENFp.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
She is NEVER INFj.Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Chelsea (who I think is ISFp) has been reported as "terrified" of Hillary, always closer to Bill. So that might suggest ENTj, ISTj or ESTj for Hillary. Or not.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
I can stand her fucking attitude. I would like to wank vomit on her face every time she speaks, even if I agree with some things she says.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
dude there's something serriously wrong if you're wanking vomit. See a doctor... now!
Out of curiosity, how would you formulate her attitude and what you don't like about it?
She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having theLSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.
Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely notquadra value. That and she reminds me of Segene Royal.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
How ESFp of you.
EDIT: I agree.
If that is the case, she has a point...
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
???How ESFp of you.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
She may technically have a point but her attitude is still horrendous.If that is the case, she has a point...
???How ESFp of you.
how does she remind you of Segolene Royal?Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having theLSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.
Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
Are ENTjs not also terrified of ISFps? conflictors are more or less equally "terrified" of each other IMO. Where only one of the the two parties is terrified of the other, I would suspect another less "equal" sort of relationship like supervision etc.
Socionics: XNFx
MBTI: INFJ
Gesticulation is almost all full-armed. Speech patterns and delivery, as well as expressions and eye movement, remind me of my mother. I'd say Te dominant is a good bet. LIE is my guess, LSE second.
Re: My Final Answer
definitely not.
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
Vibes.how does she remind you of Segolene Royal?Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having theLSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.
Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Re: My Final Answer
Oh come on, you have to admit you two are similar in some waysdefinitely not.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Yes, BUT parents are rarely terrified of their children.Are ENTjs not also terrified of ISFps? conflictors are more or less equally "terrified" of each other IMO. Where only one of the the two parties is terrified of the other, I would suspect another less "equal" sort of relationship like supervision etc.
They both have a stick up their ass.how does she remind you of Segolene Royal?Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having theLSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.
Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
She could be ENTj, I guess.
Re: My Final Answer
in what ways, exactly?Oh come on, you have to admit you two are similar in some waysdefinitely not.
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
You're both politically minded.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Yes, I suppose you are correct.
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
Re: Hillary Rodham Clinton
Throw in another vote for ENTj.
Googling her photo reveals a surprising assortment of discombobulated facial expressions at first glance. Some ENTjs seem to have that tendency. These are the ones who - if dressed up like clowns, or even the Joker - would look strikingly suited to the guise, in an eerie sort of way - at least, in my opinion. Then, there's that unexplainable, Pink Panther-esque quality which ENTjs sometimes have ... and yep, she's got it.
Of course, the subjective associations I've come to rely upon as focus images for V.I. could very well be meaningless to those new to such suggestions ... especially if you're wired differently than I.
Now, perhaps the type most inclined to think I'm off-my-rocker is my conflicting partner and voila! "The mystery type" may be revealed ... !
You are almost certainly an Fe type.
Re: My Final Answer
Well I guess INFJ is a bit far fetched.definitely not.
I reckon ENTJ is the best fit, but is it the real self or just the public persona?
I am not fully convinced yet.
EDIT
No, INFJ it is.
and... why might this be?
Based on my limited posting so far, it sure looks that way.You are almost certainly an Fe type.
But in reality, my>>
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Does anyone else see the Pink Panther = ENTj association, especially among ENTjs you've known? It's probably a characteristic expression I've picked up which ENTj's demonstrate: lifting the head back a bit, large droopy eyelids sort of looking down at you, totally at ease, yet with an inner, agile, alert readiness suggesting that they can flee the scene on a moment's notice through some shifty tactical maneuvering (and you'd be the innocent left behind to deal with the sticky aftermath, whatever it happens to look like) ...
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Incidentally, there's no way Hillary is an INFj. She lacks the INFj quietness, gentleness, mystery, subduedness, and sincerity. Her presence is too strong and controlling - in an administrative sort of way. She does not look even like one (e.g., no INFj-ish shadowy unibrow energy, nor the typical physical frailty/awkwardness).
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