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    she might be entj...or perhaps entp ...hm, not sure, enfj might work too...

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    We've talked about her before and come up with ENTj. I think she's ENTj anyway but I won't speak for everyone. Anyway, if you do a search you should find some more discussion.
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    Some arguments concerning the type of Hillary Clinton that I have come across.

    -An internet rumor she took the (official) MBTI test and tested as INTJ (and Bill as ENFP)
    -Possibly ENFJ according to Dioklecian
    -Probably Beta/Gamma (resolute) rational according to Expat
    -ENTJ according to Keirsey
    -"She might be EXXp or IXXj though." according to Sergei Ganin

    Do we have any other suggestions?
    And can anyone actually provide reasonable arguments.

    My current top bet would be ISTJ.

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    I hate her.

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    LSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.

    Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not . I don't see an Fe role, either. It all seems terribly forced.
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    she could be an intj.

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    Her tool factor is off the charts for an INTj. She seems entirely unoriginal.
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    Diana - that might be more about whether people identify with her politics than what type she is. I think it can be hard to identify politicians because if you like their politics you're more likely to like them and think they're a compatible type, and the opposite is true too of course, which could lead people toward or away from types for the wrong reason.
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    It starts to look increasingly likely Hillary Clinton might not be INFJ after all...

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    I don't think she could possibly be INFj because I think she values Se.
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    Yes, well she does rather give that impression but her attempts to be forceful always come across as terribly unnatural and uncontrollable.
    Constant struggle to overcome her PoLR seems the most plausible explanation to me.

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    She is not an ethical type. I read her autobiography and she seems Te-dominant. I would say Gamma and
    therefore ENTj. Bill Clinton is gamma or delta. I suspect ENFp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    Yes, well she does rather give that impression but her attempts to be forceful always come across as terribly unnatural and uncontrollable.
    Constant struggle to overcome her PoLR seems the most plausible explanation to me.
    She is NEVER INFj.
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    Chelsea (who I think is ISFp) has been reported as "terrified" of Hillary, always closer to Bill. So that might suggest ENTj, ISTj or ESTj for Hillary. Or not.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    I can stand her fucking attitude. I would like to wank vomit on her face every time she speaks, even if I agree with some things she says.
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    dude there's something serriously wrong if you're wanking vomit. See a doctor... now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I can't stand her fucking attitude.
    Out of curiosity, how would you formulate her attitude and what you don't like about it?

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    She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    LSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.

    Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not . I don't see an Fe role, either. It all seems terribly forced.
    Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having the quadra value. That and she reminds me of Segene Royal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
    How ESFp of you.

    EDIT: I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
    If that is the case, she has a point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
    How ESFp of you.
    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
    If that is the case, she has a point...
    She may technically have a point but her attitude is still horrendous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    She is too arrogant, to the point of detriment for herself. She doesn't seem to think that voters can be just as smart as her, and thus she probably feels like she's the saviour that is going to lead the masses to the "right" path with her wisdom.
    How ESFp of you.
    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    LSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.

    Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not . I don't see an Fe role, either. It all seems terribly forced.
    Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having the quadra value. That and she reminds me of Segene Royal.
    how does she remind you of Segolene Royal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Chelsea (who I think is ISFp) has been reported as "terrified" of Hillary, always closer to Bill. So that might suggest ENTj, ISTj or ESTj for Hillary. Or not.
    Are ENTjs not also terrified of ISFps? conflictors are more or less equally "terrified" of each other IMO. Where only one of the the two parties is terrified of the other, I would suspect another less "equal" sort of relationship like supervision etc.
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    Gesticulation is almost all full-armed. Speech patterns and delivery, as well as expressions and eye movement, remind me of my mother. I'd say Te dominant is a good bet. LIE is my guess, LSE second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    I think Hillary Rodham Clinton is INFj.
    definitely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockclimber
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    LSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.

    Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not . I don't see an Fe role, either. It all seems terribly forced.
    Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having the quadra value. That and she reminds me of Segolene Royal.
    how does she remind you of Segolene Royal?
    Vibes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockclimber
    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    I think Hillary Rodham Clinton is INFj.
    definitely not.
    Oh come on, you have to admit you two are similar in some ways
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Chelsea (who I think is ISFp) has been reported as "terrified" of Hillary, always closer to Bill. So that might suggest ENTj, ISTj or ESTj for Hillary. Or not.
    Are ENTjs not also terrified of ISFps? conflictors are more or less equally "terrified" of each other IMO. Where only one of the the two parties is terrified of the other, I would suspect another less "equal" sort of relationship like supervision etc.
    Yes, BUT parents are rarely terrified of their children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockclimber
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    LSI maybe. I was going to say she strikes me as an introverted thinker of sorts.

    Her voice sounds absolutely horrid in the video, definitely not . I don't see an Fe role, either. It all seems terribly forced.
    Semi-Dual with Bill (ESE), while still having the quadra value. That and she reminds me of Segene Royal.
    how does she remind you of Segolene Royal?
    They both have a stick up their ass.
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    She could be ENTj, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    Quote Originally Posted by rockclimber
    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    I think Hillary Rodham Clinton is INFj.
    definitely not.
    Oh come on, you have to admit you two are similar in some ways
    in what ways, exactly?
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    You're both politically minded.
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    Yes, I suppose you are correct.
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    Throw in another vote for ENTj.

    Googling her photo reveals a surprising assortment of discombobulated facial expressions at first glance. Some ENTjs seem to have that tendency. These are the ones who - if dressed up like clowns, or even the Joker - would look strikingly suited to the guise, in an eerie sort of way - at least, in my opinion. Then, there's that unexplainable, Pink Panther-esque quality which ENTjs sometimes have ... and yep, she's got it.

    Of course, the subjective associations I've come to rely upon as focus images for V.I. could very well be meaningless to those new to such suggestions ... especially if you're wired differently than I.

    Now, perhaps the type most inclined to think I'm off-my-rocker is my conflicting partner and voila! "The mystery type" may be revealed ... !

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    You are almost certainly an Fe type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    Quote Originally Posted by rockclimber
    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    I think Hillary Rodham Clinton is INFj.
    definitely not.
    Well I guess INFJ is a bit far fetched.
    I reckon ENTJ is the best fit, but is it the real self or just the public persona?
    I am not fully convinced yet.

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    No, INFJ it is.


    and... why might this be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    You are almost certainly an Fe type.
    Based on my limited posting so far, it sure looks that way.

    But in reality, my >> .

    [hr:f9b7dea7a4]

    Does anyone else see the Pink Panther = ENTj association, especially among ENTjs you've known? It's probably a characteristic expression I've picked up which ENTj's demonstrate: lifting the head back a bit, large droopy eyelids sort of looking down at you, totally at ease, yet with an inner, agile, alert readiness suggesting that they can flee the scene on a moment's notice through some shifty tactical maneuvering (and you'd be the innocent left behind to deal with the sticky aftermath, whatever it happens to look like) ...

    [hr:f9b7dea7a4]

    Incidentally, there's no way Hillary is an INFj. She lacks the INFj quietness, gentleness, mystery, subduedness, and sincerity. Her presence is too strong and controlling - in an administrative sort of way. She does not look even like one (e.g., no INFj-ish shadowy unibrow energy, nor the typical physical frailty/awkwardness).

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