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    It was hard not to put the whole album up.

    ESI?

    4 sx?
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    Last two. I've seen IEI brought up for her, too.



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    Infantile type, maybe an alpha? Si valuer, probably. I kind of like her but only in small doses. This is only an impression based on no knowledge of her.

    Actually, Mad Hatter is really the only song I like.



    Ne valuing too.

    "Something inexpressively lovely and wonderful advances through the crystal, nearer, nearer. And, oh, inexpressively terrifying. For if it were to touch you, if it were to seize you and engulf you, you'd die; all the regular, habitual daily part of you would die … one would have to begin living arduously in the quiet, arduously in some strange, unheard of manner."


     






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    My brothers ex (who I think is decisive ethical extrovert) is totally obsessed with her. I don't really get it.

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    From VI alone IEE or SEI
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    My brothers ex (who I think is decisive ethical extrovert) is totally obsessed with her. I don't really get it.
    Yeah, it seems like a lot of people are (especially teens) and I don't really see the appeal.
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    she seems SEI to me—she has that distinct lethargic quality. i can see how someone could type her as IEI, but i think SEI suits her far better, as well as the persona she projects in her songs and music videos.

    sincerely not trying to be contrarian or anything, but i feel melanie's aesthetic image is weird. and not in an entertaining or chique way. i get she's trying to make a statement with the crybaby character but it doesn't work for me. two things i dislike in art and/or music: capitalizing off of children's paraphernalia, and edgy irreverence. different strokes for different folks, i guess

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    boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Infantile type, maybe an alpha?
    Not just because of her baby shit, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    From VI alone IEE or SEI
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    Stop posting in my threads.
    Okay
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


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    Quote Originally Posted by hag View Post
    she seems SEI to me—she has that distinct lethargic quality. i can see how someone could type her as IEI, but i think SEI suits her far better, as well as the persona she projects in her songs and music videos.

    sincerely not trying to be contrarian or anything, but i feel melanie's aesthetic image is weird. and not in an entertaining or chique way. i get she's trying to make a statement with the crybaby character but it doesn't work for me. two things i dislike in art and/or music: capitalizing off of children's paraphernalia, and edgy irreverence. different strokes for different folks, i guess
    I can't see her as SEI. Her image totally goes against Alpha SF values of pretending to be normal and having your shit together no matter what. Ok, SEI is different and more flexible when it comes to that, but Dollhouse is like a parody of ESEs than something close enough to be a type away from it. I can't see an SEI writing angsty ass lyrics like that and taking their image that far. I think it's just the whole daddy dom/little girl diaper fetish aesthetic she has that's making some of you think alpha so far, because it's childish and not serious like alpha. But her lyrics aren't, and if she didn't have that look then she'd be just like Halsey who I'm sure no one would type SEI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    boring
    You're pretty fucking entertaining yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    Not just because of her baby shit, right?
    Nope, I mean infantile romance style. My first thought was alpha but I suppose IEE>ILE makes more sense. SEI is good possibility too but only if she is an introverted person.


    Typical characteristics of the Infantile romance style

    • interest is sparked in partner with positive aesthetic attributes divorced from active, "aggressive" sexuality
    • tend to try to attract partner's interest with joking, goofy or even "strange" behavior
    • try to help partner see the unexpected and fun side of things
    • interest is maintained or cools off according to partner's response to this behavior
    • appreciation for partner who actively cares about the individual's comfort and daily needs
    • neutral with regard to externally admitting who took the initiative in ending a relationship, "power" is seen as unimportant in such matters

    This romance style is defined by focus on Ne which is static, irrational, and extroverted, with perceptions focused on possibilities and alternatives to the static present reality, which the individual perceives as intrinsically boring and stagnant. This means that an Infantile sees attraction between two individuals as a static state, also from the point of view of the other person, which he tries to "get moving" by actively thinking of variations of the present static state. This accounts for an Infantile's inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person's being exposed to the unexpected, imaginative, fun, even "weird" side of life, reality, and each other, a behavior that can be described as "childlike". This focus leads to a sort of helplessness regarding his own physical well being as perceived by Si, so he welcomes help from others in that area.

    "Something inexpressively lovely and wonderful advances through the crystal, nearer, nearer. And, oh, inexpressively terrifying. For if it were to touch you, if it were to seize you and engulf you, you'd die; all the regular, habitual daily part of you would die … one would have to begin living arduously in the quiet, arduously in some strange, unheard of manner."


     






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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    You're pretty fucking entertaining yourself.
    i mean she's cute or whatever, but other than that i'm not interested in finding out more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Nope, I mean infantile romance style. My first thought was alpha but I suppose IEE>ILE makes more sense. SEI is good possibility too but only if she is an introverted person.
    I know what you meant, I was joking lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    I know what you meant, I was joking lol.

    "Something inexpressively lovely and wonderful advances through the crystal, nearer, nearer. And, oh, inexpressively terrifying. For if it were to touch you, if it were to seize you and engulf you, you'd die; all the regular, habitual daily part of you would die … one would have to begin living arduously in the quiet, arduously in some strange, unheard of manner."


     






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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    i mean she's cute or whatever, but other than that i'm not interested in finding out more
    Yeah, I get it. I'm getting kind of bored of her. I always thought her music was a lot cooler than anything she said out of song. And besides her songs and the way she looks there's not much more to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    I can't see her as SEI. Her image totally goes against Alpha SF values of pretending to be normal and having your shit together no matter what. Ok, SEI is different and more flexible when it comes to that, but Dollhouse is like a parody of ESEs than something close enough to be a type away from it. I can't see an SEI writing angsty ass lyrics like that and taking their image that far. I think it's just the whole daddy dom/little girl diaper fetish aesthetic she has that's making some of you think alpha so far, because it's childish and not serious like alpha. But her lyrics aren't, and if she didn't have that look than she'd be just like Halsey who I'm sure no one would type SEI.
    that's not my image of SEI. but if that's how you feel, she could very well be IEI. the only thing i'm dead certain about is an irrational preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Yeah, it seems like a lot of people are (especially teens) and I don't really see the appeal.
    Accessible music about being miserable. It's what teens want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hag View Post
    that's not my image of SEI. but if that's how you feel, she could very well be IEI. the only thing i'm dead certain about is an irrational preference.
    Yeah, it's more ESE like I said. All I know is that Melanie is FiSe in MBTI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    Accessible music about being miserable. It's what teens want.
    last week i tried explaining the appeal of twenty one pilots, and it basically came down to that.

    10 years ago it was bad scene bands like blood on the dancefloor and brokencyde that were popular with the same demographic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    My brothers ex (who I think is decisive ethical extrovert) is totally obsessed with her. I don't really get it.
    How old are they?
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    is this what the kids are into these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    Made me lol.

    "Something inexpressively lovely and wonderful advances through the crystal, nearer, nearer. And, oh, inexpressively terrifying. For if it were to touch you, if it were to seize you and engulf you, you'd die; all the regular, habitual daily part of you would die … one would have to begin living arduously in the quiet, arduously in some strange, unheard of manner."


     






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    Quote Originally Posted by hag View Post
    last week i tried explaining the appeal of twenty one pilots, and it basically came down to that.

    10 years ago it was bad scene bands like blood on the dancefloor and brokencyde that were popular with the same demographic.
    haha, I was not into those bands as a teen (ew) or scene culture, but I was totally into stuff like this back in the day. I also embarrassingly had a My Chemical Romance phase. I think a lot of people were into bands like Mindless Self Indulgence as well.

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    First impression is SEI.

    “When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    How old are they?
    Mid 20s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    haha, I was not into those bands as a teen (ew) or scene culture, but I was totally into stuff like this back in the day. I also embarrassingly had a My Chemical Romance phase. I think a lot of people were into bands like Mindless Self Indulgence as well.

    I fucking love Mindless Self Indulgence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    haha, I was not into those bands as a teen (ew) or scene culture, but I was totally into stuff like this back in the day. I also embarrassingly had a My Chemical Romance phase. I think a lot of people were into bands like Mindless Self Indulgence as well.
    i had a mcr phase as well... cringeworthy years! i was so enamored with the scene look back then, and fairy kei... which makes me think, what is hot topic selling now? does anybody even shop there anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    Accessible music about being miserable. It's what teens want.
    Teens with hard socialization issues. Ni ones, especially.
    And to copy her bizarre look (and possibly behavior) is good way to keep the issues. And also to make the society worse place, what will rise the number of issues in it.
    Degenerative art is used as informational weapon against people. When people become weaker as the result, it's easier to threat them as slaves for those who want to keep the power and get most of resources.
    Teens want the art which makes them happier and feel honor, but not this shit. They have lesser and lesser choice for this, unfortunally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    I can't see her as SEI. Her image totally goes against Alpha SF values of pretending to be normal and having your shit together no matter what.
    Thats not alpha SF at all "pretending to have your shit together no matter what" is Se imo.
    “When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream.”

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    I change my typing of her to IEI
    “When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream.”

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    Nvm I change it to SEI again =D Her music videos are imaginative and fantasy-like but it's nothing original (at all) and there is alot of focus on making things look aesthetically pleasing.
    And btw, she's a social last 7w6 tritype 749
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    “When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream.”

    468

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Nvm I change it to SEI again =D Her music videos are imaginative and fantasy-like but it's nothing original (at all) and there is alot of focus on making things look aesthetically pleasing.
    And btw, she's a social last 7w6 tritype 749
    The only problem I have with SEI is that she seems too edgy for alpha, like her songs seem like they're making fun of alpha more than anything. But maybe that's just me. I agree with 749 because she fits the Gentle Spirit archetype well even if it's a twist. But not 7 core - nothing heady coming from her and SEI and IEI both don't match with 7 core. 4 is more likely; a frustration type like 7 but image-oriented, which she is heavily.

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    The only problem I have with SEI is that she seems too edgy for alpha, like her songs seem like they're making fun of alpha more than anything. But maybe that's just me. I agree with 749 because she fits the Gentle Spirit archetype well even if it's a twist. But not 7 core - nothing heady coming from her and SEI and IEI both don't match with 7 core. 4 is more likely; a frustration type like 7 but image-oriented, which she is heavily.

    How is she making fun of alpha?

    Social lasts are often introverted even if they have an "extroverted" type like 7. What do you mean nothing "heady"?
    I doubt an image type would take big risks in their style and everything like she does. She's a person who just wears and does whatever the fuck she wants and not worrying what others will think. And I haven't seen melancholy from her, in crybaby she even said she's making fun of her sensitive teen self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    How is she making fun of alpha?

    Social lasts are often introverted even if they have an "extroverted" type like 7. What do you mean nothing "heady"?
    I doubt an image type would take big risks in their style and everything like she does. She's a person who just wears and does whatever the fuck she wants and not worrying what others will think. And I haven't seen melancholy from her, in crybaby she even said she's making fun of her sensitive teen self.
    I know so-last is more withdrawn, but being a 7 myself I see nothing that points to 7, despite doing whatever the fuck she wants (which yes, I do too, but that's not what 7 is all about). I don't get a cerebral head type energy from her, is what I meant -- yes, 7s, even the strong 8 winged ones, have it too, I know it when I see it. 4 sx is often risky with their image and confrontational. Even social first 4 is often -inadvertently- sabotaging with their image by being more open about their problems and criticizing society more than sp 4, which holds in the suffering and is 4's COUNTERTYPE (i.e. that goes against the typical behavior of 4).

    Some types can seemingly go against what their center is about, like how some unhealthy 7s seem anti-intellectual compared to, say 5, from the same center because they're caught up in indulging themselves over everything else.

    4s are typically deliberate with what they do that makes them stand apart and she seems very deliberate with her image. I do see how her so lastness makes her less aware than she could be, though.

    As for why she doesn't seem alpha to me: I've never met an alpha SF that would dress or do or say the things she does; an alpha SF would stay in socially acceptable territory even when they're being goofy or edgy; ENTps are the alpha type willing to push the boundaries the most and I do know an ENTp who dresses outlandishly and strays from socially acceptable a lot (since alpha NTs aren't as concerned with Si and Fe as the alpha SFs are). But she's not ILE, so that rules alpha out for me.

    She's very into aesthetics but that isn't enough to warrant Si dom, and she goes against a lot of what ISxps value from what I've observed. Like, the Si doms I know wouldn't be caught dead in her place.

    I'd say IEI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaded whore View Post
    I know so-last is more withdrawn, but being a 7 myself I see nothing that points to 7, despite doing whatever the fuck she wants (which yes, I do too, but that's not what 7 is all about). I don't get a cerebral head type energy from her, is what I meant -- yes, 7s, even the strong 8 winged ones, have it too, I know it when I see it. 4 sx is often risky with their image and confrontational. Even social first 4 is often -inadvertently- sabotaging with their image by being more open about their problems and criticizing society more than sp 4, which holds in the suffering and is 4's COUNTERTYPE (i.e. that goes against the typical behavior of 4).

    Some types can seemingly go against what their center is about, like how some unhealthy 7s seem anti-intellectual compared to, say 5, from the same center because they're caught up in indulging themselves over everything else.

    4s are typically deliberate with what they do that makes them stand apart and she seems very deliberate with her image. I do see how her so lastness makes her less aware than she could be, though.

    As for why she doesn't seem alpha to me: I've never met an alpha SF that would dress or do or say the things she does; an alpha SF would stay in socially acceptable territory even when they're being goofy or edgy; ENTps are the alpha type willing to push the boundaries the most and I do know an ENTp who dresses outlandishly and strays from socially acceptable a lot (since alpha NTs aren't as concerned with Si and Fe as the alpha SFs are). But she's not ILE, so that rules alpha out for me.

    She's very into aesthetics but that isn't enough to warrant Si dom, and she goes against a lot of what ISxps value from what I've observed. Like, the Si doms I know wouldn't be caught dead in her place.

    I'd say IEI.
    7s dont really feel "cerebral" like a 5 does as their interest is enjoyment and fun. 7 is closest to the gut triad, so it has some gut energy to it.
    We’re now well around the wheel away from the shrinking anemia and debilitating ‘Hamlet problem’ of the Existentialist gap between 4 and 5; the 7 reflex is toward externalization, manifestation, literalize the vision, “Don’t dream it. Be it.”
    This is what Im talking about with "7s just do whatever they want". They just flow through life excited.
    I just don't see 4 core with her, she is not advertising how broken or flawed she is. 4s want to be saved and I do not get that from her at all.

    Even social first 4 is often -inadvertently- sabotaging with their image by being more open about their problems and criticizing society more than sp 4, which holds in the suffering and is 4's COUNTERTYPE (i.e. that goes against the typical behavior of 4).
    They're not sabotaging their image by opening up about being broken etc. That is exactly what they want and the kind of image 4s have of themselves.
    Also the idea that sp 4s "hold in their suffering" is simply not true, I know sp 4s who are whinier than me.
    We have named this type The Individualist because Fours maintain their identity by seeing themselves as fundamentally different from others. Fours feel that they are unlike other human beings, and consequently, that no one can understand them or love them adequately. They often see themselves as uniquely talented, possessing special, one-of-a-kind gifts, but also as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed. More than any other type, Fours are acutely aware of and focused on their personal differences and deficiencies.

    And about the alpha stereotype you have, not true, take me for example, lol. The most 'vulgar' persons in my class are two alphas, one ESE sx/so 7, and her friend SEI 7 sp/sx.
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