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    Cipher is a perfect example.


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    Here's another female EII-Ne antagonist:



    lmao

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    Of course, Hannibal Lecter (EII-Fi):



    Lecter essentially has the same style of information processing as Catherine Trammel.

    Fi cognition is an internal mirror of other people's inner worlds. It would be like having another person inside your skin, that you're constantly introspecting to. Fi has heightened capacity to experience that other person's thoughts/memories/goals/discomforts/impressions and grasp the other persons' psychology as if it were organic to their own. See the car-ride clip from basic instinct. in the meantime, the EII's own thoughts/memories/goals/discomforts/drives are pushed out of cognition and wind up in the PoLR.

    Fi/Ne cognition excels at envisioning/anticipating/forecasting immediate and distant futures for the person....so the possibile ways in which the surrounding context will effect that person's psychology. in the clip you see lecter fishing for information that he can use to deepen his internal mirror of clarice.

    EII vs IEE: The difference between Fi/Ne and Ne/Fi is Fi/Ne is drained by any environment/situation where they aren't directly involved with the person/people they have internally mirrored. Ne/Fi mirroring cognition reflects more the other person's external world and outer responses/inflections but doesn't go as inward. Ne/Fi mirroring changes rapidly from one environment to the next and just mirrors enough to adapt/blend in socially. It's very easy to tell who the EII has in their internal mirror because that's who they will constantly talk and/or wonder about.
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    Never really thought a EII would be able to break free of shackles, murder two prisons guards, hall them up into rafters, and skin them. :/

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    Look at cognition for socionics type. It's a theory of information processing, not behaviors. Anything goes in terms of behavior.

    Lecter's psychopathic behavior can be chalked up to the fact he's a psychopath. any psychopath would look for an opportunity to escape and have no qualms about murdering the guards...nonetheless the escape plan he devised contained nuances peculiar to Fi/Ne cognition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imarite View Post
    Never really thought a EII would be able to break free of shackles, murder two prisons guards, hall them up into rafters, and skin them. :/
    A clear contradiction.

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    Joanna from The Commuter:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    Nobody can really come up with a good exampme, beacause all the "cool" EIIs are mistyped as IEIs anyway.
    Betas are always​ the villains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spermatozoa View Post
    Basically a villain of this nature usually has humanitarian/utopian ideals they have taken way too far and will not compromise on.
    This is still more Beta (or Alpha NT, à la Robespierre) than Delta.

    The problem with Deltas is that they're the grounded ones. They make better protagonists than antagonists.

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    Stratiyevskaya is generally good at critiquing and giving insight into the less savory motivations of every sociotype. Here, this article cuts fairly sharply into the EII.

    http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...Stratiyevskaya

    As has been mentioned, Stratiyevskaya's storytelling is approximately high level socionics fanfiction.

    Mainly, I find that EIIs can be sometimes: 1) selfish and self promoting and hording of their privileged comforts or of their surface prestige, 2) insecurely toxicly defensive of an uncritical foggy eyed self perception of their own prestige, 3) stagnant and insulated away from radical creative rethinking.

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    Gwyneth Paltrow.







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    Unintentional cruelty is probably what that would look more like rather than intentional...

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    Nancy Pelosi. I'm pretty sure Beautiful sky is up for something as well.

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