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    I have some of their types down but I'm not very sure about them. Here we go:

    BTS:
    Namjoon EIE-Ni
    Hoseok ESE-Fe
    Jimin SEE-Fi
    Yoongi ILI-Ni
    Taehyung IEE-?
    Jungkook SEI-Si
    Jin LSE-Si... or Gabin, but definitely Delta ST

    (there's someone from every quadra, that's their appeal)

    IKON:
    June EIE-Fe
    Hanbin ESI-Se (or Maxim - Jiwon's supervisor? an aggressor type for sure)
    Jiwon SEE-Se
    Jinhwan IEI-Fe... or Delta?
    Donghyuk ILE-Ne?
    Still in need for suggestions for Yunhyeong & Chanwoo.
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    Yunhyeong - SEE
    Chanwoo - EII

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    Their instinctual stackings made me think a lot, my partiality made me unnaturally indecisive. Oh man. I need help with this

    The BTS ones I'm sure of:

    Namjoon SO/SX, basically made for leadership because of his overall instinct health. Very interested in the collective, uses his high intelligence to take the responsibility. SX is ready to bring out his romantic attitudes and worldviews in a focused manner.
    Hoseok SO/SP
    Jimin SO/SX (I wrote a blog post on his stacking, he's not SX/SO even if that's his stage image. Very compliant syn-flow type. As an SX-lead myself I find other SX doms rather unsettling. I don't react to him in such a way. I think he's, well, soft and cute. Jimin has a calming effect, makes me feel awesome :3 Generally speaking, the way he values everyone's approval is a telltale sign.)
    Yoongi SP/SX, veeery contraflow. SX comes out in small doses and because it's his healthy instinct, everyone goes wild in positive surprise. Also: Yoongi can hardly be messed with.

    Now... Complete mayhem:

    Taehyung SX/SO? SO/SX? I'm clueless.
    Jin SX last??

    Jungkook - wow. He confuses me the most, and that interests me. Is that the unsettling feeling? SX/SP is my only thesis but everything could be wrong?
    Here's my logic: Kook is shy and more focused on his abilities rather than group dynamics, hence SO-last. Gets right into things, hence SX first. Out of the entire group, he is the most reactive when it comes to the topic of a love interest. It's a total weak spot. He can be both reserved and cocky about it. People react strongly to Jungkook. Many have no qualms objectifying him, thinking that his aura is an invitation. Back when he reached his legal age, lord have mercy. The hype was scandalous - I thought, only SX/SP can create such an outburst of sexual frustration in others (which is often a covert but completely misunderstood reflection of their bottled intensity).
    Jungkook is not exactly a loose cannon albeit risk-taking, hence SP second. SP is healthy. He works out diligently, enjoys sports, can outdo others with ease as he juggles his abilities at a more or less appropriate level. Knows how to compete physically, known for how he manages his body. Super athletic because he always assesses how his resources work. Lifts up stuff, especially people he likes to tease - because he can - or wrestles them into submission, and everyone applauds (one's secondary instinct usually gets praised). When he joined BTS, he apparently isolated himself in his room and came out to shower when the others slept. Aka he went into self-pres mode for days because he was afraid of having to deal with the new co-members. Idk, SP-secondary emergency safety zone...? Neurotic SX not wanting to mess up new contacts because of high standards? I can empathize. It's not SP first because this seems like his well-developed side??

    But hrgh... I could be on the wrong track because his creative makes my head spin. And his could create the impression of healthy self-preservation. Helppp. @SisOfNight, you are a Fe expert and your social instinct really figures us SO lasts out :3 What kind of an instant feel do you get from him? Whether you're into K-Pop or not, just an initial hunch would be good. Maybe it's useful that you assumedly don't know him, it removes the bias.
    Despite my excess length description for him, here is actual material to look at:
    ---> Video: 1 (solo interview), Video 2 (solo activity, weird interaction at the end of the vid. Some subtitles are missing but the vibe is more important), some dancing for video 3 which could also help. Your advice would be really helpful ;~; Thanks in advance.



    As for the members of IKON:

    Bobby SP last.
    Hanbin SO last? SP/SO? His intense authoritarian ESI style with benevolent intentions made me think SX/SP. Always tenacious (SP secondary). The H in Hanbin stands for hardcore. His anger is at con-flow level. But at the same time, he takes everything to heart (SX/SP ppl are the most conflicted among syn-flow stackings). Taunted for being `eternally single´ and he's really frustrated/ashamed. Actually super clingy, will sacrifice himself. Has no problems with blatant seduction, his aggressor-ness could get him anywhere. Really, why is he single? SX issues: you don't get what you want the most.
    Junhoe: SX/SO.
    Jinan SO/SX
    Donghyuk SO/SP - there's a certain playfulness but never a straightforward intensity?
    Yunhyeong SP/SO, very unsure.
    Chanwoo SP lead or just the introversion, no idea.

    All of these are tentative, I went by gut.
    @May - if you actually use instincts for typing, what would your judgement be?

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    I'm not that confident for instinct typings : /

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    Yay, Bangtan!

    Jin - Not confident in this but imo he's definitely an F-type. I'd go with SEI or EII. Either way not NiSe-valuing, as evidenced by that interview he did with Rapmon
    Suga - ILI
    Rapmon - IEI. His vibe strikes me as Ip, but I would accept EIE as well
    J-hope - ESE, but him and Suga get along really well, which makes me second-guess myself!
    Jimin - I can see SEE but right now I have no concrete opinion
    Taehyung - IEE for sure
    Jungkook - SLI and am fairly sure of this. His speaking style is dry and monotone, Taehyung has described him as "curt," he isn't able to pick up the mood of the room, members say he wouldn't be able to tell if someone in the group was upset. Not F-capable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifflord View Post
    Yay, Bangtan!

    Jin - Not confident in this but imo he's definitely an F-type. I'd go with SEI or EII. Either way not NiSe-valuing, as evidenced by that interview he did with Rapmon
    Suga - ILI
    Rapmon - IEI. His vibe strikes me as Ip, but I would accept EIE as well
    J-hope - ESE, but him and Suga get along really well, which makes me second-guess myself!
    Jimin - I can see SEE but right now I have no concrete opinion
    Taehyung - IEE for sure
    Jungkook - SLI and am fairly sure of this. His speaking style is dry and monotone, Taehyung has described him as "curt," he isn't able to pick up the mood of the room, members are confident he wouldn't be able to tell if someone in the group was upset. Def not F-capable.
    Oh yesWho's your bias?

    EII for Jin I think, he represents Delta values like no other. Food, family, harmony, morals, handsomeness (jk). Se polr would make sense, Jimin supervises him.

    Yes, IEI for Namjoon is an option I still ponder. All his photographs and music, the fashion... yeah. Interestingly, the most dreamy member is the leader and a hardcore rapper lmao.

    Hope ESE and Suga ILI conflict is softened by So/Sp + Sp/Sx, they're both contraflow stackings. Or is Suga some obscure LII?

    Jungkook - Good point. His initial isolationist attitude and the way he gets along with Taehyung affirms that. And his ability to completely go against the flow. Also, if GD is indeed IEE, the fanboying fits really well. Ideal types and role models are usually an idol's dual archetype (see Sehun from EXO who loves Miranda Kerr).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Oh yesWho's your bias?

    EII for Jin I think, he represents Delta values like no other. Food, family, harmony, morals, handsomeness (jk). Se polr would make sense, Jimin supervises him.

    Yes, IEI for Namjoon is an option I still ponder. All his photographs and music, the fashion... yeah. Interestingly, the most dreamy member is the leader and a hardcore rapper lmao.

    Hope ESE and Suga ILI conflict is softened by So/Sp + Sp/Sx, they're both contraflow stackings. Or is Suga some obscure LII?

    Jungkook - Good point. His initial isolationist attitude and the way he gets along with Taehyung affirms that. And his ability to completely go against the flow. Also, if GD is indeed IEE, the fanboying fits really well. Ideal types and role models are usually an idol's dual archetype (see Sehun from EXO who loves Miranda Kerr).
    Taehyung! With Namjoon coming in at a very close second. I'm guessing your favourite is Jimin?

    Do you have examples off the top of your heard of Jin and Jimin supervision?

    Rapmon was such a trip to type because before I met him I was confident he was a Se-base with the lax irrational and extremely confident, bravado-ish, macho vibe he was giving off. Who knew he was such a clumsy shy little lamb? I still lmao whenever I remember that video of him trying to cut an onion bc it is so relatable

    Suga has said things about Hobi that were reminiscent of SEE/ILI duality to me, e.g. "he inspires me to have more energy" and various other comments along these lines. And it shows - Suga is always a lot more active around Hobi

    This is very small but Jungkook's attitude towards answering texts also reminds me of SLIs. When the members were talking about their group chat and who's good/bad at replying to texts he said something like if I need to answer I will answer, otherwise what is the point? It was very much about the utility of what he was doing, with no consideration put towards what he might make someone feel or his own feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifflord View Post
    Taehyung! With Namjoon coming in at a very close second. I'm guessing your favourite is Jimin?

    Do you have examples off the top of your heard of Jin and Jimin supervision?

    Rapmon was such a trip to type because before I met him I was confident he was a Se-base with the lax irrational and extremely confident, bravado-ish, macho vibe he was giving off. Who knew he was such a clumsy shy little lamb? I still lmao whenever I remember that video of him trying to cut an onion bc it is so relatable

    Suga has said things about Hobi that were reminiscent of SEE/ILI duality to me, e.g. "he inspires me to have more energy" and various other comments along these lines. And it shows - Suga is always a lot more active around Hobi

    This is very small but Jungkook's attitude towards answering texts also reminds me of SLIs. When the members were talking about their group chat and who's good/bad at replying to texts he said something like if I need to answer I will answer, otherwise what is the point? It was very much about the utility of what he was doing, with no consideration put towards what he might make someone feel or his own feelings.
    Having an identical type as a bias, cool <3 Kook is your supposed dual, how do you feel about him? Yes, I'm a loyal Jimin stan, he succeeded GD (biased 2012 -2014) actually. I feel blessed every day, everything is so much better knowing we are both on the same planet. I biased him because we're both dancers and well, he's got the sweetest personality.

    Supervision as in, completely going crazy when Jin hosts something.

    Yeah, and Jin came around, here, you have to do it like that. Joon hitting and breaking things, that's really Se-seeking more than Se-base.

    Suga says the same thing about Jimin but I don't like Hobi at all while Jimin is my precious fav and his Fe is 4D. Very confusing actually.

    YES! I do that as well. No text without purpose. It's not small, I think your point is very important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Having an identical type as a bias, cool <3 Kook is your supposed dual, how do you feel about him? Yes, I'm a loyal Jimin stan, he succeeded GD (biased 2012 -2014) actually. I feel blessed every day, everything is so much better knowing we are both on the same planet. I biased him because we're both dancers and well, he's got the sweetest personality.

    Supervision as in, completely going crazy when Jin hosts something.

    Yeah, and Jin came around, here, you have to do it like that. Joon hitting and breaking things, that's really Se-seeking more than Se-base.

    Suga says the same thing about Jimin but I don't like Hobi at all while Jimin is my precious fav and his Fe is 4D. Very confusing actually.

    YES! I do that as well. No text without purpose. It's not small, I think your point is very important.
    I love this broadcast!! Jungkook muscle pig represent. I'm fond of JK now (probably 3rd fave) but I disliked him when I first met him b/c he didn't speak much and what little I saw of him gave me the impression that he was selfish and not considerate of others (conversely, this is why I liked Jimin the most initially - I felt like he was the most caring and considerate and I still do). Of course, then I got more exposed to more extroverted JK, found out he used to wait until all the members went to sleep before he showered, observed the way in which he would get really anxious about speaking and all his endearingly boring contributions to conversation lmao. His dynamic with Tae also reminded me of my own dynamics with SLIs in my life, which helped

    I didn't know that Suga said the same thing about Jimin! :0 I actually rarely see them interacting

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifflord View Post
    I love this broadcast!! Jungkook muscle pig represent. I'm fond of JK now (probably 3rd fave) but I disliked him when I first met him b/c he didn't speak much and what little I saw of him gave me the impression that he was selfish and not considerate of others (conversely, this is why I liked Jimin the most initially - I felt like he was the most caring and considerate and I still do). Of course, then I got more exposed to more extroverted JK, found out he used to wait until all the members went to sleep before he showered, observed the way in which he would get really anxious about speaking and all his endearingly boring contributions to conversation lmao. His dynamic with Tae also reminded me of my own dynamics with SLIs in my life, which helped

    I didn't know that Suga said the same thing about Jimin! :0 I actually rarely see them interacting
    MVBank always has the best BTS features, istg. Yeah, Kook's initial persona wasn't the most relatable but since he works out so much, everything falls in line. The maknae image wasn't the most beneficial as with every idol group, but he turned out to be golden and more humble than I thought, too. Yep. Jimin and Hobi do have some sort of Jesus complex, Hobi really hides it though. Enneagram 2 alert.
    Do you get cuddly with SLI types IRL? Because Tae always clings to JK like it's nothing, there are entire compilations out there of skinship only. Could be independent of type but you know, Si quadras^^

    Yoonmin is the covert pairing in Bangtan, their moments are small but meaningful, which according to Tumblr emphasizes authenticity. They also tease each other so much, there is definitely interaction potential, who knows what goes on behind the scenes (BTS... see what I did there). And hm, they're duals Dual interaction is so smooth that nobody bats an eye, except hawk-eyed ARMYs. Opinion/ideas on other dual couples in KPop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    MVBank always has the best BTS features, istg. Yeah, Kook's initial persona wasn't the most relatable but since he works out so much, everything falls in line. The maknae image wasn't the most beneficial as with every idol group, but he turned out to be golden and more humble than I thought, too. Yep. Jimin and Hobi do have some sort of Jesus complex, Hobi really hides it though. Enneagram 2 alert.
    Do you get cuddly with SLI types IRL? Because Tae always clings to JK like it's nothing, there are entire compilations out there of skinship only. Could be independent of type but you know, Si quadras^^

    Yoonmin is the covert pairing in Bangtan, their moments are small but meaningful, which according to Tumblr emphasizes authenticity. They also tease each other so much, there is definitely interaction potential, who knows what goes on behind the scenes (BTS... see what I did there). And hm, they're duals Dual interaction is so smooth that nobody bats an eye, except hawk-eyed ARMYs. Opinion/ideas on other dual couples in KPop?
    I feel comfortable being touched by Si-egos but I'm not very cuddly! When I want to interact with someone I usually end up doing something playfully aggressive lmao. consentingadult's blog has something interesting on this wrt IEEs. But that's just me! I relate more to other aspects of their dynamic.

    Imo most moments with Suga involved in them are meaningful; he doesn't seem to really crave screentime so it wouldn't make sense for him to act unnaturally to acquire it, which is a factor that I suspect drives some of the on-screen affection. And I def see Suga teasing Jimin a LOT. That authority of age difference...

    I don't really have time for k-pop outside of BTS so idk tbh I have a hard time envisioning Jimin espousing Gamma ideals or Jimin and Suga as duals - Jimin is so sensitive that I feel like Suga's meaner comments would easily get to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifflord View Post
    I feel comfortable being touched by Si-egos but I'm not very cuddly! When I want to interact with someone I usually end up doing something playfully aggressive lmao. consentingadult's blog has something interesting on this wrt IEEs. But that's just me! I relate more to other aspects of their dynamic.

    Imo most moments with Suga involved in them are meaningful; he doesn't seem to really crave screentime so it wouldn't make sense for him to act unnaturally to acquire it, which is a factor that I suspect drives some of the on-screen affection. And I def see Suga teasing Jimin a LOT. That authority of age difference...

    I don't really have time for k-pop outside of BTS so idk tbh I have a hard time envisioning Jimin espousing Gamma ideals or Jimin and Suga as duals - Jimin is so sensitive that I feel like Suga's meaner comments would easily get to him.
    "Playfully aggressive" - that sounds like Beta though o.O But sure, every dyad is different in some way. Oh, I will check that out, thanks! It sounds useful. Let me self-promote, my own blog has some input on instinctual variants, pay a visit if you like <3 I wrote an article about Jimin there. I can also create a Taehyung analysis for you.

    Yes. Like the typical ILI, we pick things wisely. And acting all different for fanservice is a two-edged sword for Fe polr, I think. We want to show love (Fi HA) but can't generate the collective mood required for it. Suga is definitely an off-cam puppeteer of some sort, everyone is a lot more careful with him.

    Lucky you, being multifandom is hellish(ly awesome?). Hm, which other type would you suggest for Jimin? He isn't as sensitive as he seems, that stage persona cannot be unfounded. Killing with kindness, SEE's motto. Concerning body image and performance, yes, he'll take everything to heart. And yep, Yoongi is rather relentless, especially because of that Korean age thing, "respect your sunbae/hyungs or else" indeed.
    Jimin's type was hard to guess at least for me until I saw which people he got along with and is also similar to. That's Jackson from GOT7 (the ultimate Se-dominant - loud and rambunctious, variety slayer, cannot be tamed) and Baekhyun from EXO (Se as hell - intrusive, go-getter, territorial, fanservice galore). Even through V.I, I think the Se-gaze is pretty pronounced, let's have some gifs:









    (Jackson's A+ delivery though)











    (Baek being adorable)

    The fixated eyes with prominent saccades, I always think aggressor when I see this demeanour. Jimin has that as well.



    (....R.I.P....send help)

    Tell me what you think! He seems like a toned down version of them. Jackson and Baek Se-subtypes, Jimin Fi-subtype. His overall ability to physically manipulate relations can only be Se-Fi or Fi-Se. Or am I completely deluded by my biasedness, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    "Playfully aggressive" - that sounds like Beta though o.O But sure, every dyad is different in some way. Oh, I will check that out, thanks! It sounds useful. Let me self-promote, my own blog has some input on instinctual variants, pay a visit if you like <3 I wrote an article about Jimin there. I can also create a Taehyung analysis for you.

    Yes. Like the typical ILI, we pick things wisely. And acting all different for fanservice is a two-edged sword for Fe polr, I think. We want to show love (Fi HA) but can't generate the collective mood required for it. Suga is definitely an off-cam puppeteer of some sort, everyone is a lot more careful with him.

    Lucky you, being multifandom is hellish(ly awesome?). Hm, which other type would you suggest for Jimin? He isn't as sensitive as he seems, that stage persona cannot be unfounded. Killing with kindness, SEE's motto. Concerning body image and performance, yes, he'll take everything to heart. And yep, Yoongi is rather relentless, especially because of that Korean age thing, "respect your sunbae/hyungs or else" indeed.
    Jimin's type was hard to guess at least for me until I saw which people he got along with and is also similar to. That's Jackson from GOT7 (the ultimate Se-dominant - loud and rambunctious, variety slayer, cannot be tamed) and Baekhyun from EXO (Se as hell - intrusive, go-getter, territorial, fanservice galore). Even through V.I, I think the Se-gaze is pretty pronounced, let's have some gifs:

    (Jackson's A+ delivery though)

    (Baek being adorable)

    The fixated eyes with prominent saccades, I always think aggressor when I see this demeanour. Jimin has that as well.

    (....R.I.P....send help)

    Tell me what you think! He seems like a toned down version of them. Jackson and Baek Se-subtypes, Jimin Fi-subtype. His overall ability to physically manipulate relations can only be Se-Fi or Fi-Se. Or am I completely deluded by my biasedness, I don't know.
    Playfully aggressive is Beta in general, yes! For me it manifests only in how I interact physically with people who I want to show affection to but who I don't feel comfortable with being cuddly with yet? As in no, we are not yet at that level.

    I don't really do VI and unfort don't know Baek at all or Jackson, but I have seen a little bit here and there from him and my immediate reaction was actually an Ej temperament, not an Ep one, but his stiffness might be because of a number of factors. I also thought Jungkook was Ij when I was first introduced to him bc he was so stiff way back in AHL days. Btw I might have missed it but I don't think you ended up linking your blog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifflord View Post
    Playfully aggressive is Beta in general, yes! For me it manifests only in how I interact physically with people who I want to show affection to but who I don't feel comfortable with being cuddly with yet? As in no, we are not yet at that level.

    I don't really do VI and unfort don't know Baek at all or Jackson, but I have seen a little bit here and there from him and my immediate reaction was actually an Ej temperament, not an Ep one, but his stiffness might be because of a number of factors. I also thought Jungkook was Ij when I was first introduced to him bc he was so stiff way back in AHL days. Btw I might have missed it but I don't think you ended up linking your blog?
    Ah, I get it Disturbing interactions like these? Disturbing in a subjective sense. You probably think it's great hehe

    Hm, you don't need to know them to get right into their typing. But I gotta be careful, Delta aristocracy. Hm, what you mention is interesting. Yet... An Ej would not be a complete loose cannon like him. Jackson also moves around so much that my head started spinning in the latest V App update, here is the video. ---> 2:50 is an example.1:15, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Ah, I get it Disturbing interactions like these? Disturbing in a subjective sense. You probably think it's great hehe

    Hm, you don't need to know them to get right into their typing. But I gotta be careful, Delta aristocracy. Hm, what you mention is interesting. Yet... An Ej would not be a complete loose cannon like him. Jackson also moves around so much that my head started spinning in the latest V App update, here is the video. ---> 2:50 is an example.1:15, too.

    My blog on 16types! Jimin's entry is right here.
    IT IS GREAT. When Tae is being less soft-cuddly and more random like this it's very much like how I interact with people I like. It usually starts small, after which the strength and severity of the attacks is slowly increased (after confirming that the receiving party was ok with the intensity of the previous hassle) [I tried to insert knife emojis but I was denied] I never made a conscious decision to do this but thinking back, I'm never physically affectionate/playful with Gamma or Beta quadra friends

    As for the second video: This video contains content from JYP Entertainment, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

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    IT IS GREAT. When Tae is being less soft-cuddly and more random like this it's very much like how I interact with people I like. It usually starts small, after which the strength and severity of the attacks is slowly increased (after confirming that the receiving party was ok with the intensity of the previous hassle) [I tried to insert knife emojis but I was denied] I never made a conscious decision to do this but thinking back, I'm never physically affectionate/playful with Gamma or Beta quadra friends

    As for the second video: This video contains content from JYP Entertainment, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.
    I knew it

    The slow build seems the be a Delta characteristic, Se quadras would go hard instantly if the consent and the situation arises hehe. With Jimin, it goes like this. Yeah... maybe no consent right there. Knife emojis?! Yes, of course because impact response > comfort, especially in Beta. What Beta friends do you have?

    Try this one, it's from the original V App channel (: Jackson is on the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I knew it

    The slow build seems the be a Delta characteristic, Se quadras would go hard instantly if the consent and the situation arises hehe. With Jimin, it goes like this. Yeah... maybe no consent right there. Knife emojis?! Yes, of course because impact response > comfort, especially in Beta. What Beta friends do you have?

    Try this one, it's from the original V App channel (: Jackson is on the right.
    Ooooh my god, Jackson is so OTT with his compliment-giving. I definitely see Gamma quadra for him. The guy who isn't Jackson seems like SEI or IEI from first glance.

    EDIT: Woops, forgot to reply to the question. Out of my close friends there's an LSI and an EIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifflord View Post
    Ooooh my god, Jackson is so OTT with his compliment-giving. I definitely see Gamma quadra for him. The guy who isn't Jackson seems like SEI or IEI from first glance.

    EDIT: Woops, forgot to reply to the question. Out of my close friends there's an LSI and an EIE.
    Yesss, I noticed that, too. A very wild individual. Yugyeom is Fe creative as hell, hm... SEI would be my preferred typing. But that needs to have its own GOT7 thread. Nobody seems to know them on here so I'll lowkey cry and type them on my own. IKON got completely disregarded on here as well but at least we got some BTS typing going on, my initial notion of a multi-quadra group seems confirmed, or what is your impression?

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    iKON:

    Hanbin- ESI-Se 1w2
    BOBBY- SEE-se 7w8
    Jinhwan EIE-Fe 3w2
    June- LSI-Se 3w4 I'm 100% of it, he was the easiest one to type alongside BOBBY. Why do you think he's EIE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    iKON:

    Hanbin- ESI-Se 1w2
    BOBBY- SEE-se 7w8
    Jinhwan EIE-Fe 3w2
    June- LSI-Se 3w4 I'm 100% of it, he was the easiest one to type alongside BOBBY. Why do you think he's EIE?
    Hanbin, Bobby, Jinan - yes, June: I still think he's an extrotim. A force of nature, feely and the opposite of Ti (law-abiding). He does have Beta's rebel spirit, so SLE or EIE. He reminded me of SHINee's Key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Hanbin, Bobby, Jinan - yes, June: I still think he's an extrotim. A force of nature, feely and the opposite of Ti (law-abiding). He does have Beta's rebel spirit, so SLE or EIE. He reminded me of SHINee's Key.
    I could certainly see him as a SLE, it's just that he gave me a very strong first impression as an LSI during Mix & Match and he clearly has problems expressing himself with words. But he was obviously under a lot of stress, so that's a factor. He loves and gets along with Jinhwan so much, he has to be a Beta. Yes, Key is definitely SLE, but I'd never link them until you said so. I guess it's because the last time I saw him was on One Fine Day and like Chaerin, he just showed such a different side the image I had of him changed (but not his type).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    I could certainly see him as a SLE, it's just that he gave me a very strong first impression as an SLI during Mix & Match and he clearly has problems expressing himself with words. But he was obviously under a lot of stress, so that's a factor. He loves and gets along with Jinhwan so much, he has to be a Beta. Yes, Key is definitely SLE, but I'd never link them until you said so. I guess it's because the last time I saw him was on One Fine Day and like Chaerin, he just showed such a different side the image I had of him changed (but not his type).
    But compared to D.O. (very LSI), he still has more volitional pressure. Yep, Jinhwan and him are the Beta overlords

    Hm... do you get conflictor vibes from Chaerin? I could imagine her as my dual (when I finally manage to confirm my LIE typing), her songs are on repeat here <3 I thought Key would be Fe-dominant but his directive attitude convinced me otherwise. Ahh I didn't watch one fine day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    But compared to D.O. (very LSI), he still has more volitional pressure. Yep, Jinhwan and him are the Beta overlords

    Hm... do you get conflictor vibes from Chaerin? I could imagine her as my dual (when I finally manage to confirm my LIE typing), her songs are on repeat here <3 I thought Key would be Fe-dominant but his directive attitude convinced me otherwise. Ahh I didn't watch one fine day.
    Kyungsoo is 70 year old inside, really. While June wants to be a man (a sexy one, he says ) so bad, but he's like 16 emotionally.


    I admit I haven't kep up with her interviews for a really long time now, because she repels me so much. I might have missed good insights, but here's what I think:

    She's projecting a SLE image like I've noticed many Kpop rappers do but since is not her nature, it comes out forced and over the top, which is why I react so strongly and negatively to it. Compare her to Rihanna who's pure butter and sugar inside but who successfully portraits a SLE because as a ESI 4w3-7w8-8w7 sx, she understands the essence of the character. CL is incredibly contrived yet she operates under the delusion of originality. She just tries so hard

    One Fine Day is responsible for all my SHINee typings, really, such a great show in terms of personality disclosure and member interactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Kyungsoo is 70 year old inside, really. While June wants to be a man (a sexy one, he says ) so bad, but he's like 16 emotionally.


    I admit I haven't kep up with her interviews for a really long time now, because she repels me so much. I might have missed good insights, but here's what I think:
    She's projecting a SLE image like I've noticed many Kpop rappers do but since is not her nature, it comes out forced and over the top, which is why I react so strongly and negatively to it. Compare her to Rihanna who's pure butter and sugar inside but who successfully portraits a SLE because as a SEI 4w3-7w8-8w7 sx, she understands the essence of the character. CL is incredibly contrived yet she operates under the delusion of originality. She just tries so hard

    One Fine Day is responsible for all my SHINee typings, really, such a great show in terms of personality disclosure and member interactions.

    Conflictor: confirmed! EII it is. SEI for Rihanna... Ok, can you elaborate?

    Ohh personality disclosure sounds superb. Other shows you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Conflictor: confirmed! EII it is. SEI for Rihanna... Ok, can you elaborate?

    Ohh personality disclosure sounds superb. Other shows you recommend?
    Well Rihanna's type has been clear to me ever since I watched her Chris Brown interviews and her 777 documentary. I knew her Enneagram and that she wasn't an Se leading type, but I wasn't sure of what she was. I'll be honest and say that I can't pinpoint to specific moments like in the case of idols because I don't this video material with me, but there are two kinds of typings to me:

    1) When a person's core or essence presents itself to me as a whole unity, it's always instant and then I'm sure. I knew Krystal was ESI after watching OnStyle's Jessica & Krystal (who is also a ESI, the music world is full of them);

    2) When I have to figure someone out function by function, like puzzle pieces until the whole picture can be seen.

    In Rihanna's case it was the first option. She's absurdly fragile inside, weak as hell when it comes to love, naturally attuned to who's a friend or enemy [watch her Barbara Walters (a.k.a. Blonde devil) interview vs her Oprah one, she's on full defense mode in the first, (keeps repeating she's strong not to Barbara or the viewers, but to herself) completely bared in the second]; continues to love someone who severly wronged her but from afar, doesn't give a f*** about how people react to her etc.

    Rihanna has many Se songs, but you can see Robyn whenever she gets a ballad (Love The Way You Lie, Stay, Diamonds, No Love Allowed). Her Anti album is very real and so are her Love On The brain performances, that's who she is. A rose, protected by thorns. More like Bieber than Miley. Looks like GD, but is TOP. She is strong (see how she fiercely protects and defends not only herself, but her loved ones), but not Hard.

    I kill most of the ridiculously long waiting hours I have between activities by watching reality shows, so I sure recommend you a lot. What groups are you interested in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Well Rihanna's type has been clear to me ever since I watched her Chris Brown interviews and her 777 documentary. I knew her Enneagram and that she wasn't an Se leading type, but I wasn't sure of what she was. I'll be honest and say that I can't pinpoint to specific moments like in the case of idols because I don't this video material with me, but there are two kinds of typings to me:

    1) When a person's core or essence presents itself to me as a whole unity, it's always instant and then I'm sure. I knew Krystal was SEI after watching OnStyle's Jessica & Krystal (who is also a SEI, the music world is full of them);

    2) When I have to figure someone out function by function, like puzzle pieces until the whole picture can be seen.

    In Rihanna's case it was the first option. She's absurdly fragile inside, weak as hell when it comes to love, naturally attuned to who's a friend or enemy [watch her Barbara Walters (a.k.a. Blonde devil) interview vs her Oprah one, she's on full defense mode in the first, (keeps repeating she's strong not to Barbara or the viewers, but to herself) completely bared in the second]; continues to love someone who severly wronged her but from afar. Rihanna has many Se songs, but you can see Robyn whenever she gets a ballad (Love The Way You Lie, Stay, Diamonds, No Love Allowed). Her Anti album is very real and so are her Love On The brain performances, that's who she is. A rose, protected by thorns. Looks like GD, but is TOP. She is strong (see how she fiercely protects and defends not only herself, but her loved ones), but not Hard.

    I kill most of the ridiculously long waiting hours I have between activities by watching reality shows, so I sure recommend you a lot. What groups are you interested in?
    Yup, perfect. Looks like GD, is top - I'm deceased lmaoo you nailed it

    Now, I like Mamamoo, Bigbang, Monsta X, IKON, EXO-K. And BTS but I keep up with them all the time^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Kyungsoo is 70 year old inside, really. While June wants to be a man (a sexy one, he says ) so bad, but he's like 16 emotionally.
    Kyungsoo and Yoongi can open a club for old souls. Well, enneagram 3 June all the way

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    Yup, perfect. Looks like GD, is top - I'm deceased lmaoo you nailed it

    Now, I like Mamamoo, Bigbang, Monsta X, IKON, EXO-K. And BTS but I keep up with them all the time^^
    Mamamoo and Monsta X I know nothing about, but as for the rest:

    iKON- After their survivals (in which list I'd include The Remix) I'd recommend their 100 Days Journey docs (the dvd version of WIN); their Season's Greetings dvd, Kony's Summertime dvd, the documentaries in their Showtime in Seoul and Japan dvds, the behind the scenes videos uploaded on their Youtube channel, Mary & I (with Hanbin & Jinhwan), BOBBY's Daddy & I, Sugarman (BOBBY & June did a great collab song there, did you watch it?), Running Man.

    EXO-I don't know how long you've been a fan, but the best material imo is in their EXO First and Second Box dvds, behind the scenes on the EXO planets concert dvds, EXO Showtime, EXO XOXO, EXO 90:2014, Surplines EXO, EXO Channel, Running Man, Laws of The Jungle and Roommate.

    I must thank Naver for V App, it's so useful for typings
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Mamamoo and Monsta X I know nothing about, but as for the rest:

    iKON- After their survivals (in which list I'd include The Remix) I'd recommend their 100 Days Journey docs (the dvd version of WIN); their Season's Greetings dvd, Kony's Summertime dvd, the documentaries in their Showtime in Seoul and Japan dvds, the behind the scenes videos uploaded on their Youtube channel, Mary & I (with Hanbin & Jinhwan), BOBBY's Daddy & I, Sugarman (BOBBY & June did a great collab song there, did you watch it?), Running Man.

    EXO-I don't know how long you've been a fan, but the best material imo is in their EXO First and Second Box dvds, behind the scenes on the EXO planets concert dvds, EXO Showtime, EXO XOXO, EXO 90:2014, Surplines EXO, EXO Channel, Running Man, Laws of The Jungle and Roommate.

    I must thank Naver for V App, it's so useful for typings
    I've seen Mari & I and Heroes of Remix, the others are unchartered territory. Bobby/June collab? That sounds good, I was unaware. Thank you!

    Since 3 years, only 90ies kids remember this. Who's on Laws of the Jungle? I've seen Jackson on it but EXO sounds like a whole new level, but it depends on the member if I watch it or not

    V was a paradise until they decided to introduce the payment system But at least they are getting cash for the extra efforts so we can't complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I've seen Mari & I and Heroes of Remix, the others are unchartered territory. Bobby/June collab? That sounds good, I was unaware. Thank you!

    Since 3 years, only 90ies kids remember this. Who's on Laws of the Jungle? I've seen Jackson on it but EXO sounds like a whole new level, but it depends on the member if I watch it or not

    V was a paradise until they decided to introduce the payment system But at least they are getting cash for the extra efforts so we can't complain.
    Flawless:


    I remember I wan't going to watch it myself, but the preview made me do it. Crying raw looking Chanyeol? Yes, I'll watch it:


    Capitalism at it's best. Can't complain about something that is advantageous to me, it be a hypocrisy. But don't you know that website with all the V App channels where you can download the videos (with subs) for free in real time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Flawless:


    I remember I wan't going to watch it myself, but the preview made me do it. Crying raw looking Chanyeol? Yes, I'll watch it:


    Capitalism at it's best. Can't complain about something that is advantageous to me, it be a hypocrisy. But don't you know that website with all the V App channels where you can download the videos (with subs) for free in real time?
    I remembered seeing the performance now <3 I liked it, especially since the rap contrasts with the singing a lot. And Chanyeol is so... that poor guy, how can you send an EIE with Si PoLR into that camp.
    My fav performance would be that one, I dig the glitter suits. And the ANTHEM performance during MAMA.

    Best Bobby fancam:



    Hanbin in a bag, still pulling it off:



    Agreed, and wow ok well I know that the website exists, gotta use it next time when the phone notification pops up. The entire industry is very profit-oriented, US did it first, Japan was next, and SK copied it 20 years ago so here we are

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    I remembered seeing the performance now <3 I liked it, especially since the rap contrasts with the singing a lot. And Chanyeol is so... that poor guy, how can you send an EIE with Si PoLR into that camp.
    My fav performance would be that one, I dig the glitter suits. And the ANTHEM performance during MAMA.

    Best Bobby fancam:



    Hanbin in a bag, still pulling it off:



    Agreed, and wow ok well I know that the website exists, gotta use it next time when the phone notification pops up. The entire industry is very profit-oriented, US did it first, Japan was next, and SK copied it 20 years ago so here we are
    I HATE the MAMA Anthem performance! I don't know what was up with Hanbin but he was like, not present. Which is a shame, he's the best performer in the group when he is. BOBBY had a "not there" award performance too, ironically Hanbin was the only thing you could see here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    I HATE the MAMA Anthem performance! I don't know what was up with Hanbin but he was like, not present. Which is a shame, he's the best performer in the group when he is. BOBBY had a "not there" award performance too, ironically Hanbin was the only thing you could see here:
    How? The only bad thing => outfit choice, that stylist should have gotten fired. I probably was too proud to notice the mistakes? They were super nervous and overly hyped but that's like normal at MAMA. Even GD starts acting like a parrot when Fantastic Baby is on every year. Hanbin, best performer? How? Bobby has a better grip on audience dynamics imo.
    I loved this performance Ayyy Hanbin is perfect. What is your verdict of Rhythm Ta, Rock version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    How? The only bad thing => outfit choice, that stylist should have gotten fired. I probably was too proud to notice the mistakes? They were super nervous and overly hyped but that's like normal at MAMA. Even GD starts acting like a parrot when Fantastic Baby is on every year. Hanbin, best performer? How? Bobby has a better grip on audience dynamics imo.
    I loved this performance Ayyy Hanbin is perfect. What is your verdict of Rhythm Ta, Rock version?
    BOBBY is charisma incarnate, but he's way too hyped and scattered sometimes, so he's inconsistent in his performances. He gets so overwhelmed by his own excitement and the audience response he forgets to rap parts, screams instead of singing, loses his breath and his eyes get frantic. I've now see iKON perform live four times, so I have first hand experience. He even left the stage before the song ended once and had to go back, it was hilarious . Hanbin's only problem is that he gets overwhelmed by the audience too, but since he's introverted is more like he contemplates them inside his head and disconnects from the performance, but it only lasts a couple seconds. BOBBY is a great performer, but since I prize consistency, he comes second. Also, his first live stages with Mino were very underwhelming, I've never seen him being so clearly upstaged before:


    I LOVE Rhythm Ta Rock Version! So much better than the original, which is very weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    BOBBY is charisma incarnate, but he's way too hyped and scattered sometimes, so he's inconsistent in his performances. He gets so overwhelmed by his own excitement and the audience response he forgets to rap parts, screams instead of singing, loses his breath and his eyes get frantic. I've now see iKON perform live four times, so I have first hand experience. He even left the stage before the song ended once and had to go back, it was hilarious . Hanbin's only problem is that he gets overwhelmed by the audience too, but since he's introverted is more like he contemplates them inside his head and disconnects from the performance, but it only lasts a couple seconds. BOBBY is a great performer, but since I prize consistency, he comes second. Also, his first live stages with Mino were very underwhelming, I've never seen him being so clearly upstaged before:


    I LOVE Rhythm Ta Rock Version! So much better than the original, which is very weak.
    That's the lack of intuition as well, Mino has better delivery. Yep, the timing and coherency is lacking ---> Ti PoLR, lack of Ni. Yes, extravert problems, Bobby is always lost in the moment (compare Jungkook, who's lost within himself)



    Which performances did you see live?
    The problem with Hanbin's introversion, he pressures himself them most! ESI is an anxious type in general. Hanbin goes all out in the practice room but on stage there's a lot of unrealized potential. So I see your point lmao the disconnection is blatant, esp at the beginning of his parts until he gets into this... linear pattern. At least that's what I noticed, you have more expertise

    Mmmhh those performances were sloppy. But the thing is, Bobby just fits that style. Holup was the trippiest MV I've ever seen but it fit Bobby's personality and individuality. Same with Body, Mino + trap is just heavenly. I kind of anticipate Blackpink's comeback as well!!

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    That's the lack of intuition as well, Mino has better delivery. Yep, the timing and coherency is lacking ---> Ti PoLR, lack of Ni. Yes, extravert problems, Bobby is always lost in the moment (compare Jungkook, who's lost within himself)



    Which performances did you see live?
    The problem with Hanbin's introversion, he pressures himself them most! ESI is an anxious type in general. Hanbin goes all out in the practice room but on stage there's a lot of unrealized potential. So I see your point lmao the disconnection is blatant, esp at the beginning of his parts until he gets into this... linear pattern. At least that's what I noticed, you have more expertise

    Mmmhh those performances were sloppy. But the thing is, Bobby just fits that style. Holup was the trippiest MV I've ever seen but it fit Bobby's personality and individuality. Same with Body, Mino + trap is just heavenly. I kind of anticipate Blackpink's comeback as well!!
    I attended their Mix & Match Beijing fanmeeting, their debut concert, a Osaka fanmeeting and the Seoul dvd recording one.

    Nah, this is how I like my BOBBY:




    I actually think their performances were much better when the were trainees. Of course iKonics will say it's a blasphemy. Mino is a monster, I loved watching him perform at the 2014 Mino Music Awards

    Oh you like Black Pink? Who's your favorite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    I attended their Mix & Match Beijing fanmeeting, their debut concert, a Osaka fanmeeting and the Seoul dvd recording one.

    Nah, this is how I like my BOBBY:




    I actually think their performances were much better when the were trainees. Of course iKonics will say it's a blasphemy. Mino is a monster, I loved watching him perform at the 2014 Mino Music Awards

    Oh you like Black Pink? Who's your favorite?
    Bobby is on point when there is something at stake, the energy is blazinggg!! No it's not blasphemy, idols are not deities and they really had to fight so that's that. More proof that valuing artists need pressure to exceed themselves.
    Ohh Mino already convinced me when he rapped about ducks
    On top of that:



    Ballads = a strength!

    I really liked "I'm him" as a song but I didn't find a good live performance yet.

    Rosé, wbu? If you're more familiar with them, how would you type them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Bobby is on point when there is something at stake, the energy is blazinggg!! No it's not blasphemy, idols are not deities and they really had to fight so that's that. More proof that valuing artists need pressure to exceed themselves.
    Ohh Mino already convinced me when he rapped about ducks
    On top of that:



    Ballads = a strength!

    I really liked "I'm him" as a song but I didn't find a good live performance yet.

    Rosé, wbu? If you're more familiar with them, how would you type them?
    Is interesting if you compare them to someone like Jinhwan, who's so very consistent. I honestly can't remember one performance of his that was weak. He's also the most focused, doesn't lose himself anywhere.

    Mino & Taeyang are a match made in heaven I can't believe I couldn't stand him until Made. "I'm Him" is much better than "Body", but since YG hates WINNER we never got a decent stage

    Why do you like her the best? They will start attending tv shows soon, plenty of material for typing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Is interesting if you compare them to someone like Jinhwan, who's so very consistent. I honestly can't remember one performance of his that was weak. He's also the most focused, doesn't lose himself anywhere.

    Mino & Taeyang are a match made in heaven I can't believe I couldn't stand him until Made. "I'm Him" is much better than "Body", but since YG hates WINNER we never got a decent stage

    Why do you like her the best? They will start attending tv shows soon, plenty of material for typing.
    Jinhwan as an EIE is a rational type, consistency galore! Your statement made me think Sp/So for him actually although Fe+ Sp is rather unusual

    Weeell MADE changed the game and I think Taeyang had some good performances in the MVs and on stage. Yes. The dungeon. YG is probably an evil ESTj with Ni PoLR, no sense of timing tskk

    I picked her instinctively. I'm Sx/Sp like you come on you know how it works Yes I hope they appear on variety programs, weekly idol perhaps. I love the format. Very simple but you get to know the artists in an intimate way. I don't like most games on there but random play dance gives me live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Jinhwan as an EIE is a rational type, consistency galore! Your statement made me think Sp/So for him actually although Fe+ Sp is rather unusual

    Weeell MADE changed the game and I think Taeyang had some good performances in the MVs and on stage. Yes. The dungeon. YG is probably an evil ESTj with Ni PoLR, no sense of timing tskk

    I picked her instinctively. I'm Sx/Sp like you come on you know how it works Yes I hope they appear on variety programs, weekly idol perhaps. I love the format. Very simple but you get to know the artists in an intimate way. I don't like most games on there but random play dance gives me live.
    YG's problem is not his relationship (or lack thereof) with time, is the absence of decency and honesty. Look at what he's doing to Namtae

    Rosé is crazy sensual, I hope she becomes less uptight this comeback and unleashes her inner badass. Weekly Idol is my favorite show!
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