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    what are their types?



    Onision with his wife Lainey






    Andy Biersack - Onision's man-crush

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    oh man, that guy. Apart from a couple of videos I saw years ago, I didn't really know who he was until i saw this rant about him. He seems like a pretty fucked up dude. Anyway, I'm not really sure, but I think he could be EIE?



    If we're going by VI, he reminds me a bit of Shane Dawson who I think is an Fe ego.


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    This man is extremely manipulative. EIE could make sense in this respect (I see similarities between Onision and Jadae), though I know people are going to disagree. He's probably Beta or Gamma. Can you guys honestly see him as Alpha or Delta?



    (this is a joke video he made in response to the Leafy roast)

    The guy is totally screwed in the head. He's got some kind of cluster b thing going on for sure. I've been following him for a while because messed up people tend to fascinate me like that.

    - Lack of empathy for others. Has made suicidal videos in the past and has been suicidal, yet mocks and makes fun of suicidal teens that ask him for advice. He even made fun of a dead teen girl for committing suicide.

    - films videos of his ex fiance having mental breakdowns and posts these things that should have been private on youtube (remind anyone else of Jadae?).



    - convinces his wife to get a girlfriend so he can watch them have sex (aka possible threesome), then reacts immaturely when his wife doesn't want to go through with it, then cheats on her with her girlfriend. (keep in mind, they have a child). THEN posts a video about it telling the public what happened in a manipulative way to gain sympathy, as he is actually considering dating his wife's girlfriend now.



    - is a grown man and only dates teen girls. It seems that once they get older, he ends up dumping them for even younger girls. After he dumps these girls, he starts smear campaigns against them in order to humiliate them, often getting his fans to harass them.

    - his ex girlfriends have spoken out about him being emotionally abusive. They have called him things such as a narcissist and a psychopath.

    - Has self diagnosed himself as BPD in order to get an ex back (she was refusing to answer his calls).



    - People who have met him in person have said that he is a really weird guy. He refuses to make eye contact with people and acts like a sulky dismissive asshole. He does not have many friendships as he easily becomes upset with people and cuts them off.

    - exploits his personal life for views, not caring who he hurts or humiliates by doing so.
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    i can understand where the EIE typing is coming from since he's dramatic and edgy but he's also too direct, harsh and tactless to be Fe-base IMO. he seems to possess no awareness or emotional intelligence regarding his actions, he does not seem deliberate at all, just reckless, stupid and chaotic.

    my opinion for years has been SLE. IMO this guy is a good case study for a "faggy" SLE.

    actually the only alternative i can see is EIE, so that's a good second too. i read IEE somewhere yesterday and i was like fuck no. EIE or SLE, most probably.

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    Onision is IEE
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

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    Reminds me of Michael C. Hall

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    Quote Originally Posted by msnobody View Post
    Onision is IEE
    Where is the Fi? Where are the Delta values?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Where is the Fi? Where are the Delta values?
    basically look through his OnisionSpeaks videos. especially his old videos. tons of Fi.
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

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    Lainey is some Ip
    or maybe Ij its hard to tell im only good at telling ethicals apart hehhe
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

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    Quote Originally Posted by msnobody View Post
    basically look through his OnisionSpeaks videos. especially his old videos. tons of Fi.
    feelings =/= Fi

    being an edgy pretentious asshole scene/emo kid =/= Fi

    please provide some commentary and reasoning behind whatever you think is Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msnobody View Post
    basically look through his OnisionSpeaks videos. especially his old videos. tons of Fi.
    A lot of those videos had a fake manipulative undertone and are not the "real" Onision. These were made back in the day when he was trying to copy Shane Dawson. Usually he "helps" suicidal teens by calling them stupid and selfish. He rather looks at the subject and ignores individual concerns (which is more so valued Fe). An example of this would be when Christina Grimmie was murdered he reacted by saying that all of the teen girls mourning for her were just doing so for "attention".



    There is no valued Fi in that sentiment. He was trying to explain that all lives matter, but did so in an extremely insensitive way. It didn't even register to him that people may have actually been in pain over this incident, and he was being extremely insensitive. Types with valued Fi (especially Deltas) are generally sensitive to others feelings while Onision could honestly not give two shits. Fi sounds more like a PoLR or ignoring function for Onision.
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    For one time I actually agree with msnobody.

    I'd type Onision as IEE (E7 Sx/So), too.
    His Ne becomes more apparent in his (older) comedy videos.

    Lainey is EII (E9 So/Sx).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    A lot of those videos had a fake manipulative undertone and are not the "real" Onision. These were made back in the day when he was trying to copy Shane Dawson. Usually he "helps" suicidal teens by calling them stupid and selfish. He rather looks at the subject and ignores individual concerns (which is more so valued Fe). An example of this would be when Christina Grimmie was murdered he reacted by saying that all of the teen girls mourning for her were just doing so for "attention".



    There is no valued Fi in that sentiment. He was trying to explain that all lived matter, but did so in an extremely insensitive way. It didn't even register to him that people may have actually been in pain over this incident, and he was being extremely insensitive. Types with valued Fi (especially Deltas) are generally sensitive to others feelings while Onision could honestly not give two shits. Fi sounds more like a PoLR or ignoring function for Onision.
    Oh yes of course. When he does something good he's "trolling" ah i see you.
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

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    Social repose talking about how different and polite Onision is in real life. And you guys do realize that Onision trolls in 90% of his videos right?
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

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    Quote Originally Posted by msnobody View Post

    Social repose talking about how different and polite Onision is in real life. And you guys do realize that Onision trolls in 90% of his videos right?
    Calling it trolling doesn't really cover for the shitty things that he does. Social repose even admits that he's been an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    Calling it trolling doesn't really cover for the shitty things that he does. Social repose even admits that he's been an ass.
    Every type can be an asshole.
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

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    And I don't see how being polite to people somehow points to Fi. I won't assume you are trying to defend his character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Where is the Fi? Where are the Delta values?
    Just because he's a narc and a manipulative asshole doesn't disqualify him from delta -- that's just silly. Lots of delta nfs are complete pieces of shit who don't give a fuck about other people's feelings. Look at some of the Delta nfs on this forum like Jeremy and misterni for example.

    Onision seems like he could be IEE to me, nothing about him suggests EJ temperament and mostly EP but he's another youtuber that I don't care enough about to explore any further. I think he's most likely ILE, EIE or IEE. SEE could maybe be a long shot typing but I doubt it.

    Most of these YouTube cretins need a baseball bat to the face or something, jesus.
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    He seems EP and Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    Just because he's a narc and a manipulative asshole doesn't disqualify him from delta -- that's just silly. Lots of delta nfs are complete pieces of shit who don't give a fuck about other people's feelings. Look at some of the Delta nfs on this forum like Jeremy and misterni for example.

    Onision seems like he could be IEE to me, nothing about him suggests EJ temperament and mostly EP but he's another youtuber that I don't care enough about to explore any further. I think he's most likely ILE, EIE or IEE. SEE could maybe be a long shot typing but I doubt it.

    Most of these YouTube cretins need a baseball bat to the face or something, jesus.
    He seems rational over irrational to me. He's had several falling outs with other youtubers because they've backed out on projects and he's obsessive about finishing things that he starts.

    He also doesn't share Delta values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msnobody View Post
    Oh yes of course. When he does something good he's "trolling" ah i see you.

    You obviously can't see past his manipulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    He also doesn't share Delta values.
    What exactly do you mean by delta values?

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    Does misterni looks like he shares delta values? Cause i think iee for him is correct (Ne af). I' m not sure about this guy, but he doesnt seem Fe leading at all. If we're only speaking about iee's being some perfect moral creatures- some are, but i personally know a few semi-sociopathic manwhore iee guys. ILE's are also known sociopathic douchebags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    You obviously can't see past his manipulation.
    hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Does misterni looks like he shares delta values? Cause i think iee for him is correct (Ne af). I' m not sure about this guy, but he doesnt seem Fe leading at all. If we're only speaking about iee's being some perfect moral creatures- some are, but i personally know a few semi-sociopathic manwhore iee guys. ILE's are also known sociopathic douchebags.
    I'm not sure what type Misterni is, but he seems to have a mental illness and is out of touch with reality (I don't think he's actually a psychopath). I don't see many similarities between him and Onision.

    The reason I see Onision valuing Fe over Fi because he tends to look at the overall subject rather than others individual concerns and he lacks sensitivity to others feelings (this appears to be his biggest blind spot). If Onision is in fact a psychopath, this could be throwing my perception of him off. I've interacted with many confirmed IEE's in person (both male and female) and they often have a warm presence, an interest in others personal affairs and the ability to make people feel accepted; I just don't get that from Onision. It would be interesting if he is in fact IEE as it kind of mindfucks my overall perception of them.

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    you act like you're 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I'm not sure what type Misterni is, but he seems to have a mental illness and is out of touch with reality (I don't think he's actually a psychopath). I don't see many similarities between him and Onision.

    The reason I see Onision valuing Fe over Fi because he tends to look at the overall subject rather than others individual concerns and he lacks sensitivity to others feelings (this appears to be his biggest blind spot). If Onision is in fact a psychopath, this could be throwing my perception of him off. I've interacted with many IEE's in person and they often have a warm presence, an interest in others personal affairs and the ability to make people feel accepted; I just don't get that from Onision. It would be interesting if he is in fact IEE as it kind of mindfucks my overall perception of them.
    I agree with IEE's in most cases having a warm and accepting presence and being seemingly interested in people even when being secretly judgmental douchebags. I' m just saying their personal life is often full of debauchery and not a reflection of so called delta values. I'm not claiming this person is Fi at all. I'm just seeing Ne and not Fe lead. I dont have enough patience to watch youtube videos of various retards long enough to type them for sure tbh : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I'm not sure what type Misterni is, but he seems to have a mental illness and is out of touch with reality (I don't think he's actually a psychopath). I don't see many similarities between him and Onision.

    The reason I see Onision valuing Fe over Fi because he tends to look at the overall subject rather than others individual concerns and he lacks sensitivity to others feelings (this appears to be his biggest blind spot). If Onision is in fact a psychopath, this could be throwing my perception of him off. I've interacted with many confirmed IEE's in person (both male and female) and they often have a warm presence, an interest in others personal affairs and the ability to make people feel accepted; I just don't get that from Onision. It would be interesting if he is in fact IEE as it kind of mindfucks my overall perception of them.



    So far I'm hearing from you that those who value Fe are manipulative douchebags and those who value Fi are warm cuddly creatures?? If Onision is IEE it would not surprise me one bit.

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    Edit: Actually, I can buy Fe-EIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane View Post
    So far I'm hearing from you that those who value Fe are manipulative douchebags and those who value Fi are warm cuddly creatures??
    I'm not saying all people who value Fe are douchebags (I value Fe myself, so I obviously don't think this). I was just trying to point out that,

    Types with valued Fi strive to make and maintain close, personal relationships with their friends and family. They value sensitivity to others' feelings, and occasionally will make their innermost feelings and sentiments known in order to test the possibility of creating closeness with others.
    And I just fail to see this in Onision given his history of generally not caring about these things. Deltas also tend to be less dramatic, and Onisions life basically reads like a soap opera which he puts out there for views. He's controversial and enjoys pushing buttons, but as I've already said, the psychopath thing could be throwing that off for me.

    also, Gluenko's general description of IEE does not sound like the Onision I've followed for years.

    Insightful: keenly discerns the motives of other people. Gravitates towards the capable and the extraordinary personalities. Knows how to cheer up someone, how to instill hope. Advises on ways out of difficult life situations.

    Altruistic: for people towards whom he is sympathetic can do more than what was expected of him. Light and kind in communication. With his sincerity and warmth inspires trust. May become offended if he doesn't obtain an emotional response. Seeks to manage the feelings of others.
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    Interestingly, he got ESTJ on an MBTI test.

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    Psychopath or sociopath or something along the lines (idc). Gamma or beta. EXTROVER! Clear EIE wreck . Idk.

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    Wow. I watched the video that Starfall posted until I couldn't stand it any more. This guy is like, "Pay attention to me". Everything he says is intended to accomplish one thing, which is to keep a person constantly engaged with him, by any means possible.

    I don't think he is LSE. He looks too "soft" or refined to me to be that type. LSE look pretty masculine, and they are not going to bare their "emotions" on YouTube. He might actually be LIE (except he did insane crying, right? No self-respecting LIE would do that), (or, who knows? ILE? IEE? EIE? Although I've never seen any of those types act like that.) But whatever personality type he might be, it is completely obscured by his need for constant attention.

    He is so annoying, it is amazing that someone hasn't beaten him to death behind a bar somewhere.

    P.S.
    I should really read the whole thread before commenting. I watched part of the first video, and his wife Lainey reminds me of a couple of women I know who are LII. There are some hints in her (but much less so) of LSI. Assuming those two are Duals, that would make him either ESE or, less likely, EIE. His Fe is spilling out of the frame. Too bad he's fucking nuts.
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    i have absolutely no clue. he struck me as some kind of Te-type when i watched one of his videos and vaguely placed him into gamma, but that doesn't seem right.
    i think, his LSE typing could actually be accurate.


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    correction IEE and final
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lim View Post
    i have absolutely no clue. he struck me as some kind of Te-type when i watched one of his videos and vaguely placed him into gamma, but that doesn't seem right.
    i think, his LSE typing could actually be accurate.
    huh, you know, it's funny you say that. I didn't really consider it, and i might be stretching, but he has some definite similarities to an LSE I lived with for 2 years. The LSE i know doesn't match in some other ways, but they VI similarly, share the same sense of humor, and both engage in really manipulative tactics. A main difference is how over the top Onision is, but it's hard to separate the showman persona from the actual person. Anyway, I considered ESE or IEE for the guy I knew for a long time because of how 'Ethics' focused he was. Everything was undergirded by this very weak Fi and he had these very defensive Fe social tactics. He was an odd case, but LSE was the best fit for him. I'm not saying Onision is LSE for sure because I think he's missing a lot of the positive indicators for LSE (not that i've watched enough to know), but it's a possibility, if an unconventional one.

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    He's way too self defensive and reactive to be logical. Every time someone criticizes him he has to make a video explaining himself.
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    LSE????? come on. what the f has happened to everyone. are you shitting me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antennae View Post
    LSE????? come on. what the f has happened to everyone. are you shitting me.
    lol not LSE
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Where do you see a Si/Ne valuer in him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antennae View Post
    LSE????? come on. what the f has happened to everyone. are you shitting me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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