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  • SEE

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  • SLE

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  • IEI

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  • LII

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Thread: VI & a Questionnaire

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    Default VI & a Questionnaire

    1)What is beauty? What is love?


    Beauty and Love are both like internal alignments with something that represents that which is important to someone, like an idealization.

    Beauty is what is pleasing to the eye, but there is also beauty that lies underneath the surface and can come from an idea. External and internal beauty can align, internal beauty can leak through to make the exterior beautiful, but corruption of the inside leaks to the outside.


    Love is feeling deeply for someone or something, like a strong internal conviction to something that brings about things like commitment and sacrifice.


    2) What are your most important values?


    Understanding, Respect, Patience, Curiosity, Loyalty, Commitment... Probably more, but I don't sit around thinking about what my values are. I try to live them.


    3) Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?


    I used to be devoutly religious until I was around 15. I went to a private Christian school. I started around 15 to get curious about different religions and started reading books on religions. I found a lot of parallels and decided to keep an open mind around that time. Unfortunately I also lost my faith and never got it back. I say unfortunately because I wish I still had faith. But I don't consider myself religious, agnostic, atheist or any of those. I've come to find I don't care for labels like that. I consider myself curious and like learning about things revolving around spirituality and religion. I even thought about majoring in something to do with religion at one point. Basically, Robert Langdon has my dream job.


    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?


    War is inevitable. There are too many people with differing opinions or agendas to prevent it. People have had conflict and wars since the beginning and humanity hasn't learned anything from it that will stop it. It's simply human nature to want to survive and to ensure the survival of things that they believe in or care about.


    Power is having influence. In order to have influence one must, at least initially, have respect. I don't really think about power for myself, but I do recognize it.


    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?


    I like talking about why people do the things they do. I'm not much of a conversationalist, really, not unless I feel like talking about something. I don't like pointless chit chat.


    I have many interests, some come and go. I'm an obsessive googler. I love books, traveling, history... Just whatever catches my attention.

    As for why...


    Anytime I have a question, Google is my go to. I hate when people just don't google. If its at your disposal, it's there waiting for your every question...


    I've always loved reading. I have visited so many different places, met so many different people, and traveled in different times from books. It helps me understand people better, different times that people lived in. I've always wanted to own my own bookstore or, you know, live in a library.


    Traveling, I like traveling for similar reasons as books. I like learning about cultures, religions, learning different things about people. I like people watching. I'm a creepy people watcher.


    History, same reason. There are different time periods I favor, however. I like reading about the Tudors for example. I've always been interested in Ancient Egypt. I wanted to be an Egyptologist when I was little. It was an obsession of mine. I also really like Victoriana... the houses, the books, the clothes...just everything Victorian.



    I also like architecture, art, antique-ing, mythology, and ghost hunting. Then there are those fleeting interests like graphology & existentialism.


    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?


    I've never really been interested in health/medicine other than what I feel I need to know for something. Like I think I'd really hate a job in nursing or anything in the medical field. It wouldn't suit me. I've never been focused on my body, really. I have a hard time living in the moment. I live in my head. Although I also have ADD, so it could be related to that. I feel like I have to forcefully clear my mind to pull myself into the now to experience what is around me and appreciate it and it doesn't last for long.


    7. What do you think of daily chores?


    I kind of hate them. I've come to realize that the less stuff I have, the less stuff I have to deal with, so I'm all for a minimalistic life style. Up until the time I have to get rid of stuff.


    8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.


    My favorite movies ever are the LOTR movies, The Departed, The Beach, The Hours, Pride & Prejudice, Far From the Madding Crowd, A River Runs Through It..


    My favorite books are Rebecca by Daphne DuMaurier, Pandora by Anne Rice, The Catcher in the Rye & Franny and Zooey by J.D. Salinger, The Light House by Virginia Woolf, The Fever series, The True Story of the Three Little Pigs...
    I'm currently reading Six of Crows and I like it so far...


    Favorite music...I really like classic rock and Folk music. Eagles, CCR, CSNY, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel. I also like alternative music. I like Staind quite a bit. I actually like quite a few new songs right now. I'm surprised. A lot are more folksy.


    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?


    Some things make me sad and some things make me happy. It's not the same all the time. I guess I find irony kind of funny. Just because I'm not crying doesn't mean I'm not sad and just because I'm not smiling doesn't mean I'm not happy, so idk....


    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?


    Honestly, no where completely...I've always felt kind of outcasted in a way. Like I don't really belong any where. With my husband I feel the most belonging, probably, because he's like my best friend. He's always accepted me the way I am.


    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?


    I don't stick up for myself is the biggest complaint I've heard. I take things too personally. I don't know how to take a joke. I don't know how to have fun. I have a hard time getting over things. I overthink things too much....


    What I dislike about myself... I'm not very organized. I wish I was more and consistently motivated. I overthink things too much and don't know how to just enjoy the moment.


    12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?


    I've been told by people I'm really good at reading people right away, what they're like. Or that I'm good at understanding people. Hubs said I'm compassionate. I don't know what I like about myself...I don't ever feel good enough, there's always something to be improved..


    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?


    Surviving. lol. I joke that I'm like Nicole Kidman's character, Ada, in Cold Mountain after her father dies. That would so be me. But really idk. I think I need a schedule and to stick with it because I get deterred a lot by things that interest me. My life seems more on track when I do that. When I get off track, everything starts falling apart. I also need someone to tell other people off for me, but husband does that. Everyone always says I need to assert myself but I don't like dealing with it.


    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.


    Yes and no. Life is a rut and I can't get out till I'm dead. But I'm never bored. If I don't like my situation, I just look at it in another way or make something of it, and it's not so bad.




    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?


    I don't really dislike or like any particular qualities. It more the person themselves. I've described it before, that people's qualities are like ingredients, and if arrogance were an ingredient, it would mesh well with other ingredients to make a final product that might be appealing to me and others not so much. It's more everything combined than the individual qualities. It's also the motivation. Two people can be arrogant but the motivation for the arrogance is different.

    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?


    Idk. I met my husband when I was 15. He was the first person I ever really liked romantically. I never really had crushes. Anyway, he was really mature, responsible, confident, and smart, which I liked. He's also more outgoing than me and better with socializing, and I really needed someone like that. People have to drag me out of the house sometimes for socializing. It happens.

    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?

    Their safety. I have 3 kids and I'm paranoid about their safety. I also stress for them to follow what they love and that's what they'll be best at. My son loves rocks and finding cool ones, so I told him I bet he'd love geology and now he wants to be a geologist.

    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?

    If the person is a friend, I've already established that I like them, and I probably already knew they were like that to begin with, so I probably wouldn't be surprised. It really depends what it is what I would say....

    19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem?

    I don't want to be a part of society....I'd like a cabin off the grid to escape to. I see people as a whole like a mob, yell fire and they all trample you.

    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?

    I'm picky about choosing my friends. They usually have a similar world view as me. Idk how I behave around them. I am just myself..


    21. How do you behave around strangers?

    I'm quiet with strangers. I like observing them a bit before I talk to them to get a sense of what they're like. I can usually tell if I'm going to click with someone or not right away. Some people I don't and I know them all my life and there's like this barrier between us. I don't usually make eye contact if I don't feel like talking to anyone, though.
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    sli? that is my initial idea.

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    I looked at your pictures, didn't read your questionnaire. (My bad. Other people who are better at this than I am will read it.)

    You are very pretty. My first impression is ESI - IEI, maybe with a hint of EII.

    Further examination and rumination has you drifting away from ESI and into the IEI camp of VI'ers. Plus, your husband looks SLE to me. I thought at first he could be LSE, but no.

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    im going to go ahead and say EII for you. LSE for your husband.

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    I can't open all the pictures
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    S type for sure. I have to think about SEE, SEI or SLI. You could be IEi.


    Your husband looks like SLI and that's final

    I get deterred a lot by things that interest me.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    im going to go ahead and say EII for you. LSE for your husband.
    going to say same except ESE for him
    have you considered what intertype you're possibly in with him @Blue Bird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeves View Post
    going to say same except ESE for him
    have you considered what intertype you're possibly in with him @Blue Bird?
    Bet you he's SLI.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    VI needs IRL contact or video. forget about acceptable typing by photos
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeves View Post
    going to say same except ESE for him
    have you considered what intertype you're possibly in with him @Blue Bird?
    Thank you all for your opinions.

    I could see how he may look ESE in some photos, but I'm pretty sure of him being a logical type. The types I've most seriously considered for him have been LSE, LSI, and SLI. I showed him pics of people in the old socionix gallery and he related the most to the Delta ST's there.


    As for ITR, I met him when I was 15 and he was 16, and we've been together for almost 15 years. We get along really well, never fight or anything. I often joke with him that he wouldn't be able to live with many people. Surely our relationship is at least symmetric. I type him as my dual, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    VI needs IRL contact or video. forget about acceptable typing by photos
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450
    Thank you, Sol. This thread was just for fun and not serious. I actually tried making a video a while back and tried uploading it to YouTube. I used my iPhone 6S and uploaded it with YouTube capture. It came out really blurry. I'm not sure exactly what I was doing wrong, but if I figure it out I might post one.

    I did look at you video blogger list and watched the majority of them. My thoughts on them:
    ]My favorite bloggers from the list that caught my attention, I could see myself getting along with, or wanting to be friends with IRL:

    Anatolij Vasserman (Vassermansru)
    TheASMRAngel
    Aleksandr Dugin
    Dmitrij Ivanov (kamikadzedead)
    Andrej Nyashnyj (urbanturizm)
    Katya Klep (TheKateClapp)
    Aleksej Durnev

    General impression on types from blogs:

    ILE: Immature. Goofy.
    SEI: Pointless.
    ESE: God.
    LII: Potential friends

    EIE: Scary.

    LSI: Alright.
    SLE: Intimidating
    IEI: No comment

    SEE: Somewhat intimidating

    ILI: Likable
    LIE: Mature and likable
    ESI: Likable but somewhat scary

    LSE: Normal, mature, likable
    EII: Likable
    IEE: likable but maybe too energetic
    SLI: Likable, except for Alisha Marie. She annoys me.

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    Hey Blue Bird. I have already given my opinion on your type before but wanted to say hi.

    Funny how a fresh start gets a less confident response, eh?

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     






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    For your husband, SEE and final. I would say the same for you but I'm not 100% sure. I don't think you are EII
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bird View Post
    My favorite bloggers from the list that caught my attention, I could see myself getting along with, or wanting to be friends with IRL
    favorites are 3-4 quadra. types' comments show 4 quadra as more possible

    Try, please, to sort 16 types from the most psychologically pleasant/comfortable for you to the least, based on examples.

    Video is important, anyway. If the quality of the made clip is ok (looks as typical 480p) when you copy it to a computer (not after youtube), then you may upload it on some filehosting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    favorites are 3-4 quadra. types' comments show 4 quadra as more possible

    Try, please, to sort 16 types from the most psychologically pleasant/comfortable for you to the least, based on examples.

    Video is important, anyway. If the quality of the made clip is ok (looks as typical 480p) when you copy it to a computer (not after youtube), then you may upload it on some filehosting.
    I am pretty sure she is your quadra. I also notice you have changed your usual tone in this response. You said, "please". You never asked me to do anything followed by a "please". If you had of you might have gotten a different reaction. Does this indicate you feel some kind of "sympathy", toward her, as you call it? Is that how you experience Fi? I am just trying to understand your ways.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     






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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Hey Blue Bird. I have already given my opinion on your type before but wanted to say hi.

    Funny how a fresh start gets a less confident response, eh?
    Hi, Aylen

    I know. I think the different responses are interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    favorites are 3-4 quadra. types' comments show 4 quadra as more possible

    Try, please, to sort 16 types from the most psychologically pleasant/comfortable for you to the least, based on examples.

    Video is important, anyway. If the quality of the made clip is ok (looks as typical 480p) when you copy it to a computer (not after youtube), then you may upload it on some filehosting.
    Thanks, Sol. I'll make a list tomorrow after I look at it again.
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    EII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bird View Post
    I'll make a list tomorrow after I look at it again.
    for resume I'll wait for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    for resume I'll wait for it
    Hi, Sol. Here's the list. I tried not to be bias but can't promise anything. I did notice being around introverts causes me a type of psychological discomfort, so some of these people cause different type of discomforts, so I had a little bit of a difficulty deciding where to place them. I thought in terms of the order of people I'd be most comfortable talking to/being around. The first two and last two are the ones I'm most certain about.

    List:

    LSE
    LIE
    IEE
    ILI
    SLI
    SEE
    LII
    ESI
    EII
    ESE
    ILE
    IEI
    SEI
    LSI
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    Maybe ESI, or EII. You definitely seem like Fi base.

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    I think ESI
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

    sx/sp 4-6-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bird View Post
    I thought in terms of the order of people I'd be most comfortable talking to/being around.
    good IR give friendly liking, so it's close
    If your IR are such indeed, then it's clear 3-4 quadra, where by video I exclude irrational types of these quadras.
    You prefer logical types, so your type should be ethical, - EII or ESI. These types are among possible in my impressions and by your behavior.
    IR are closer to EII, but I'm not sure in this type.

    When I'll finish updating of actors list, you'll can check your IR with it too. There should be more examples for ESTJ, ENTJ which bloggers list has very few.

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    EII

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    SEE final. You have that critical nature about people in you. You had a house keeper she never did this or that for you...

    Extraverted sensing external statics of objects Se Socionics symbol Se.svg Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression. It is also the function of contact and apprehension of quailia (the internal and subjective component of sense perceptions, arising from stimulation of the senses by phenomena).

    You describe the qualities of people. My grandma did this and that, her nails were painted red. You notice her will "she was strong willed"

    You don't express Fi first, you don't have social rules like you didn't tell your grandma "that's wrong you shouldn't scream at me." You just know what you like and don't like but you use Se first
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    EII
    I agree
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    ...
    "From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    good IR give friendly liking, so it's close
    If your IR are such indeed, then it's clear 3-4 quadra, where by video I exclude irrational types of these quadras.
    You prefer logical types, so your type should be ethical, - EII or ESI. These types are among possible in my impressions and by your behavior.
    IR are closer to EII, but I'm not sure in this type.

    When I'll finish updating of actors list, you'll can check your IR with it too. There should be more examples for ESTJ, ENTJ which bloggers list has very few.
    Thank you, Sol. I appreciate your help. I will take a look at any future examples you add for IR. When do you think you will be adding your updates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bird View Post
    When do you think you will be adding your updates?
    Maybe in this month gamma and delta actors men examples.

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    I watched part of your video, and I now strongly think you are EII. In your video, you certainly do not seem IEI. Your looks remind me a bit of my (Delta) LSE sister, but you are less demonstrative than she is in your actions and eye motions.

    I've only met and identified two EII's irl, but you share one characteristic with them, and that is, you seem kind of invisible, or non-influencing, to me. This is a feeling (or a lack of feeling) that I get around Fi-doms. I usually have one clearly detectable reaction or another to most females, but with Fi-doms, there is no strong reaction. Just sort of a neutrality of feelings.

    I stated earlier that I think you are very pretty. This is also an indicator that you could be EII, since I believe I am subconsciously oriented to be drawn to Fi-doms. (I saw a woman in a Panera's yesterday whom I thought might be ESI. She looked awkward and slightly confused (she was taking orders and running the cash register simultaneously) and, if I drew back and assessed her rationally, kind of weird, but to me, on an emotional level, she looked just right. I find this reaction in myself weird as hell, but undeniably true,)

    P.S. I just watched the rest of your video, and you seem exactly like an EII whom I worked with for a while, Same eye movements, same expressions, same cadence of speech. While I was watching the video, I was thinking, "This person is very down-to-earth, very practical, is intelligent and would be reliable and is the opposite of dramatic."
    Unlike some people here, I don't think you are ESI. For one thing, you seem too up-beat (positivist), and for another, I don't get a sense of wanting to protect you (FWIW). With ESI's, I want "more" of them. More time, more interactions. With EII's I respect and admire them, but I'm fine to see them when ever I happen to see them.

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    @Blue Bird

    Over the past year and 1/2 I have read your posts. Taken note of your likes and dislikes and read how you respond to different situations in your life. Fi ego is kind of a given for me. I feel pretty confident today to offer my new opinion. I am adding a subtype, EII-Ne 459 (not necessarily in that order). My sister is that subtype and a 9. Your interests are very similar to hers and mine. You do not have the more expressive energy I see in Fe egos. I have shown people pics of my sister and me side by side. It is pretty obvious to see which one of us is Fi ego and which one is Fe ego, even though we look similar. Adam says you are kind of "invisible" to him. I think this is because your energy is more subdued in comparison to Se or Fe egos. Some EII-Ne can be quite vivid when they want to be though. It is strange and uncomfortable to sit and talk about yourself to a phone. Maybe not for more extroverted types. You are pretty much how I imagined you just based on pics and posts.

    Intuitive subtype Ne-INFj (Ne-EII)


    Description by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov


    Ne-EII Appearance:
    The intuitive subtype is emotional, composed, and firm. Shows cordiality, goodwill, and friendliness toward people who are in his favor. Closing distance with a person tries to be somehow useful and of service. Likes to advise, to mentor, to educate others but only within his circle. Possesses figurative and imaginative thinking and creative abilities, can discuss various imagery, symbols, dreams. Sensitive, vulnerable, uncertain and erratic. Prone to taking offense despite his best attempts to hide this. Sometimes he likes to joke around in conversation. Tries not to say unpleasant things to people, but cannot always restrain himself and may burst out in disagreement or indignation, but comes to regret it later. Serious and fastidious, prefers to hold himself with some reserve and subtlety. Dresses simply, adhering to classical styles, often conservatively. His mimicry and gestures are weakly expressed. Speech is emotional and slightly inhibited; its tone is often didactic. Frequently has a disproportionate figure, often squat in physique and prone to corpulence. Gait may be a bit clumsy and waddling. <-- not the ones I know but, ok.
    Ne-EII Character:
    Seeks to understand the essence of various subjects and phenomena. Possesses strong associative and figurative thinking and the talent of foresight. Perceptive and insightful regarding the potential of various projects and people, aware of other's talents and abilities. Often displays an interest in problems that lie at the intersection of ethics and philosophy. Very curious, loves to read and to contemplate. He is constantly evaluating everything. Feels unsatisfied and frustrated with work that is monotonous and routine. Strives for self-cultivation. Defends his views on emotional basis, but tries to support his statements with facts. Distrustful, requires sufficient evidence to become convinced of the verity of his partner's statements.

    Poorly tolerates loneliness, needs attention of people who are close with him. Appreciates sincerity, attention to his person, and tact; condemns discordant and abusive behavior. Quite principled; he believes that all-forgiveness corrupts those who deserve to be punished. May sometimes deliver a harsh rebuke for a person whom he thinks to be guilty, but usually wavers before doing so because he is afraid of spoiling his relations with other people and being unfair. Loves his family; he is ready for any sacrifices for them. Very fond of small children; though sometimes for educational purposes he is strict and uncompromising in their treatment. At times advocates for harsh measures and punishments.

    Impressionable and emotionally sensitive. Feels truly satisfied with himself only if he could contribute by a deed. Tries to please others by performing a variety of services for them or giving presents, by being generous and unselfish. Helps people not sparing his time and efforts, meanwhile may forget about himself. Does not forgive betrayal and treachery; in such cases may irreversibly put an end to the relationship. Easily takes offense. Painfully and sensitively perceives the lack of volitional, push-through qualities in himself.

    Takes on many tasks barely completing them on time, thus may postpone unpleasant or uninteresting work until later. Shows an interest in the objective side of affairs if he has a desire to become competent in pragmatic activities, in which case makes himself learn about procedures and regulations. Can be happy if he finds a proper application of his abilities.

    A person of firm convictions - an idealist and a maximalist. Dreams of being in ideal harmony with his partner in tastes, beliefs, and passions, and becomes upset when this doesn't happen and disagreements arise. Due to his tendency to take everything close to heart, feels worried and agitated by slighted occasions. Prone to doubt, somewhat indecisive and diffident. Needs an optimistically oriented partner who can dispel his worries and uncertainties, be able to provide an evaluation of his work and actions, shield him from unnecessary tasks and people, and improve his mood. Has a keen sense of responsibility for others. Demanding of himself; educates others by his personal example. Tries to instill in other people consideration for human values. May have an interest in occult or religious and teach himself various divination techniques and interpretations of teachings.

    His appearance is often very modest, dresses so as not to stand out. Attempts to look tidy and well-groomed, but investing effort and time into looking after his appearance feels like a burden for him. Often doesn't have much interest in jewelry. Critically evaluates his looks; negative remarks on this topic can deeply wound him. Receives compliments in the presence of others with confusion and distrust. Afraid of falling sick and becoming dependent on others, for this reason tries to improve his lifestyle.

    Ne-EII Description by Victor Gulenko: Feels people very well. Immediately feels who has similar views and opinions to him and who doesn't. Enjoys spending time in a small circle of like-minded people, discussing novelties in art and human sciences. Frequently appears somewhat unsure in himself and scattered. Gravitates towards social and humanitarian work, but can also work in service jobs. Realizes himself well in medicine and teaching. Able to reconcile those in a dispute and to mitigate intense situations. Creates a pleasant atmosphere in conversation and in his home. Dresses with taste, not seldom follows fashion.


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    I don't see any problems with EII, a lovely subtype

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    @Blue Bird
    Adam says you are kind of "invisible" to him. I think this is because your energy is more subdued in comparison to Se or Fe egos.
    My word choice was poor. I should not have used the word "invisible", because I can see her very well. I more accurately should have said, Fi-doms don't awaken my attack or defense functions. They evoke no response at all from the ancient programs running in the background of my head that identify threats. It is as if Fi-doms "are not there", or are "under the radar" compared to most people, who do evoke a response and have to be dealt with in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    My word choice was poor. I should not have used the word "invisible", because I can see her very well. I more accurately should have said, Fi-doms don't awaken my attack or defense functions. They evoke no response at all from the ancient programs running in the background of my head that identify threats. It is as if Fi-doms "are not there", or are "under the radar" compared to most people, who do evoke a response and have to be dealt with in some way.
    doesnt sound like duals
    or semi duals
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

    sx/sp 4-6-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    My word choice was poor. I should not have used the word "invisible", because I can see her very well. I more accurately should have said, Fi-doms don't awaken my attack or defense functions. They evoke no response at all from the ancient programs running in the background of my head that identify threats. It is as if Fi-doms "are not there", or are "under the radar" compared to most people, who do evoke a response and have to be dealt with in some way.
    No worries, I know you didn't mean it in a "bad" way. I was just saying it could be because EII have a more subtle presence sometimes.

    I feel very protective of some of my duals. I can go into attack or bitch mode in their defense even though they hardly need it. I think they tend to find it amusing when I do. They are very protective of me too, generally.

    I can also become "invisible" when I don't want to be seen. Very stealthy, hush hush, stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    @Blue Bird

    Over the past year and 1/2 I have read your posts. Taken note of your likes and dislikes and read how you respond to different situations in your life. Fi ego is kind of a given for me. I feel pretty confident today to offer my new opinion. I am adding a subtype, EII-Ne 459 (not necessarily in that order). My sister is that subtype and a 9. Your interests are very similar to hers and mine. You do not have the more expressive energy I see in Fe egos. I have shown people pics of my sister and me side by side. It is pretty obvious to see which one of us is Fi ego and which one is Fe ego, even though we look similar. Adam says you are kind of "invisible" to him. I think this is because your energy is more subdued in comparison to Se or Fe egos. Some EII-Ne can be quite vivid when they want to be though. It is strange and uncomfortable to sit and talk about yourself to a phone. Maybe not for more extroverted types. You are pretty much how I imagined you just based on pics and posts.


    Thanks, Aylen. So in your honest opinion, would you say 9 or 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bird View Post


    Thanks, Aylen. So in your honest opinion, would you say 9 or 4?
    Still undecided.

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    Don't trust anyone else on your enneatype unless theyre pretty much an expert.
    "When it gets down to it, when you’re drowning, you don’t say, ‘I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream."

    sx/sp 4-6-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by msnobody View Post
    Don't trust anyone else on your enneatype unless theyre pretty much an expert.
    Yeah, I know. There was a reason I asked Aylen in particular, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Still undecided.
    I kind of lean 4w5 myself but some people have said I VI 9w1 so lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Bird View Post
    I kind of lean 4w5 sp/so myself but some people have said I VI 9w1 so lol
    I think you should trust that more than what anyone else has suggested. From what you told me, it would make the most sense for you. I think some people are so used to the idea that 4 will present as a certain stereotype: constantly miserable, envious, looking for a savior, emo or goth. They are not the only types who present themselves like that. From talking to other 4s I found out that they often hide a big part of themselves too and only allow a select few/group a glimpse into their inner world. It is a way to protect their self image.

    Maybe sx first 4s can be more self revealing than an sp first but even then it may be a controlled revelation. When I write something about myself in a moment of inspiration, I can feel very vulnerable and delete it right after because once it is out I can never take it back and I don't want to have to justify myself or my feelings.

    They miss some things that are most important when trying to help others type themselves.

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