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    Post quotes you think represent each information element

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    Te: it was quick. That was a fast way of doing that.

    Fi: I love people. I feel bad for Bob. That isn't right. You should

    Fe: That would make you welp (cry your eyes out).
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    You should could be Te, Fi but also Se.
    Sylvia Plath — 'I desire the things which will destroy me in the end.'
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    Taking a quick shot at this:

    Si - "X feels good when it touches my skin."
    Ne - "She's the kind of person who X. You can tell because she Y. Also, she reminds me of Z Person."
    Te - "This is the way you do X."
    Fi - "I like it when X." "I really like Y Person."
    Se - "If you want X, you need to Y. Go do it now."
    Ni - "It's not the right time for X yet. Be patient."
    Fe - "X is amazing! Get excited!"
    Ti - "That doesn't make sense. If X is true, it must be the case that Y."
    "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra

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    I want to say this is Ne but I can also see this in a lot of Se seeking people.

    “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars.” -Jack Kerouac, On the Road

    Edit: I might think this for short periods of time but then the reality of it hits and I probably could not take as much of it as I think I want. I have enough of my own "madness".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post
    You should could be Te, Fi but also Se.
    Should is a judgement call. When one said whenever or what should be done that is an ethical rule. For instance: one should not hit people.when is it okay? One should never do that.

    Se is a perception function not judging

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphire View Post
    Taking a quick shot at this:

    Si - "X feels good when it touches my skin."
    Ne - "She's the kind of person who X. You can tell because she Y. Also, she reminds me of Z Person."
    Te - "This is the way you do X."
    Fi - "I like it when X." "I really like Y Person."
    Se - "If you want X, you need to Y. Go do it now."
    Ni - "It's not the right time for X yet. Be patient."
    Fe - "X is amazing! Get excited!"
    Ti - "That doesn't make sense. If X is true, it must be the case that Y."
    That was actually good, but you forgot two important things: negative and interrogative forms:

    Si + X feels good when it touches my skin, when I eat it, drink it etc.
    Si - X doesn't feel good when it touches my skin...
    Si ? Does X feel good when it touches my skin?

    Se + If you want X, you need to do Y. Do it
    Se - If you don't want X, don't do Y.
    Se ? If I do X, will that lead me to Y? Should I do it?

    Ne + She's the kind of person because Y is present.
    Ne - She isn't the kind of person because Y is lacking.
    Ne ? Could she be like a person X because she does Y?

    Ni + It is the right time. Go!
    Ni - It isn't the right time. Be patient!
    Ni ? Is it the right time yet? Should I go or wait?

    Fe + X is amazing! Exciting!
    Fe - X is awful! Fuck that!
    Fe ? Is x awful or good? Come on, let's figure it out!

    Fi + I like it when X. I like you!
    Fi - I dislike it when X. I hate you!
    Fi ? How do I feel about this? Is it relatable?

    Te + This is the way you do X because Y.
    Te - This is not the way you do X because Y.
    Te ? Is this the way to do X? What about Y?

    Ti + That makes sense because if X is true then in the case Y = f(x), it must also be true
    Ti - That doesn't make any sense because if X is false then in the case Y = f(x), it must also be false
    Ti ? Does that make any sense? If I put false X into the case Y = f(x), what would happen? (kinda NeTi, but meh)

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    Anyhow, very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondescript View Post
    That was actually good, but you forgot two important things: negative and interrogative forms:

    Si + X feels good when it touches my skin, when I eat it, drink it etc.
    Si - X doesn't feel good when it touches my skin...
    Si ? Does X feel good when it touches my skin?

    Se + If you want X, you need to do Y. Do it
    Se - If you don't want X, don't do Y.
    Se ? If I do X, will that lead me to Y? Should I do it?

    Ne + She's the kind of person because Y is present.
    Ne - She isn't the kind of person because Y is lacking.
    Ne ? Could she be like a person X because she does Y?

    Ni + It is the right time. Go!
    Ni - It isn't the right time. Be patient!
    Ni ? Is it the right time yet? Should I go or wait?

    Fe + X is amazing! Exciting!
    Fe - X is awful! Fuck that!
    Fe ? Is x awful or good? Come on, let's figure it out!

    Fi + I like it when X. I like you!
    Fi - I dislike it when X. I hate you!
    Fi ? How do I feel about this? Is it relatable?

    Te + This is the way you do X because Y.
    Te - This is not the way you do X because Y.
    Te ? Is this the way to do X? What about Y?

    Ti + That makes sense because if X is true then in the case Y = f(x), it must also be true
    Ti - That doesn't make any sense because if X is false then in the case Y = f(x), it must also be false
    Ti ? Does that make any sense? If I put false X into the case Y = f(x), what would happen? (kinda NeTi, but meh)

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    Anyhow, very nice!
    I didn't "forget," as I didn't even think of it. I like your additions. (Did I just get schooled in Ne by an ESI? Haha) Nice work
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    Ni

    “There are no facts, only interpretations.”
    ― Friedrich Nietzsche

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     






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    Without reading others' first:

    "I will dominate. Like a pro."
    "Come on, smile."
    "The gist is that it is a pull-push...but not consciously sought so much as unconsciously sought..."
    "What if we were to get a really long spoon and hook it up to a trebuchet..."
    "Before potatoes existed, people had fewer potatoes."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapphire View Post
    I didn't "forget," as I didn't even think of it. I like your additions. (Did I just get schooled in Ne by an ESI? Haha) Nice work
    In my world, I am just stating the obvious. And I often say "...that never occured to me". So, idk about Ne. Call it as you wish as long as I helped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondescript View Post
    Ni + It is the right time. Go!
    Ni - It isn't the right time. Be patient!
    Ni ? Is it the right time yet? Should I go or wait?
    Thanks a lot, now this song is stuck in my head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Without reading others' first:

    "I will dominate. Like a pro."
    "Come on, smile."
    "The gist is that it is a pull-push...but not consciously sought so much as unconsciously sought..."
    "What if we were to get a really long spoon and hook it up to a trebuchet..."
    "Before potatoes existed, people had fewer potatoes."
    What kind of is that? It sounded more like a T judgement or a plain observation.

    Besides, before potatoes existed...there were no potatoes. Common sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Thanks a lot, now this song is stuck in my head.

    You're quite welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondescript View Post
    What kind of is that?
    The kind my SEI brother and I talk about...which Si-valuers tend to nod in agreement to and Se-valuers tend to react to like you did (discounting it as an utterly pointless thing to say).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondescript View Post
    What kind of is that? It sounded more like a T judgement or a plain observation.

    Besides, before potatoes existed...there were no potatoes. Common sense...
    Good you are seeing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Good you are seeing
    Good I am seeing? Se-eing or what?

    Sorry, I don't understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Should is a judgement call. When one said whenever or what should be done that is an ethical rule. For instance: one should not hit people.when is it okay? One should never do that.

    Se is a perception function not judging
    We should go on a date then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post
    We should go on a date then.
    Completely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    Blah. Sounds more like intelligence, not Ti.

    Here is a great rephrased quote from an LII I recently met:

    "I welcome the unknown and enjoy taking on the perspective of some wild idea I could never know is true, just for that slight chance that, one of the times, I will actually know something real that nobody has ever thought before."
    So, something akin to how the Jung spoke?

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    We shall be notes in that great Symphony
    Whose cadence circles through the rhythmic spheres,
    And all the live World’s throbbing heart shall be
    One with our heart, the stealthy creeping years
    Have lost their terrors now, we shall not die,
    The Universe itself shall be our Immortality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    Yep, Jung is the man, and that quote is the essential process taken to a certain favored philosophical outlook. Here is a some chart and notes I attempted in describing Xi and Xe. Notice how their essential model is the same outline, but the interpretations of source processes have stronger and weaker roles and emphases.



    I may very much prefer this chart without the arrows instead. Wasn't sure if they needed to be there.
    Nice one. And of course they did, they determine the direction of energy movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    Blah. Sounds more like intelligence, not Ti.

    Here is a great rephrased quote from an LII I recently met:

    "I welcome the unknown and enjoy taking on the perspective of some wild idea I could never know is true, just for that slight chance that, one of the times, I will actually know something real that nobody has ever thought before."
    Sounds more like , or intuition in general. It could also merely be intelligence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    Sounds more like , or intuition in general. It could also merely be intelligence.
    Actually, that was + . Why do you think the first thing I thought of was Jung?

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    I believe communication in general is Base (Origin and content of the idea) in the direction of Creative (Delivery, form of the idea). All quotes should theoretically be composed of 2 elements, unless they are stripped of their content and simply examined by the form they take.

    Even the sentence above. Effort to relay a recognized previously identified pattern delivered in an inference about the composition of communication. Ni + Fe.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondescript View Post
    Actually, that was + . Why do you think the first thing I thought of was Jung?
    The thread is attempting to find examples of quotes for each IM, not for each type. Again, I don't think it is a special good example of a quote, and I dislike polikujm's continuation of his "only I know Socionics" tone, as well as his double standard of saying something is not Socionics-related or is an example of a wrong stereotype, while frequently engaging in such behaviour himself. @sapphire's quote was a perfectly good example of a -like quote, and the manner of thought especially frequent with a -leading type: polikujm wishes to consider that Socionics types represent actions rather than cognitive behaviour, and thus fails to see that while any person might think in x or y way, it does not mean it is dominant or natural for them.

    In regards polikujm's quote, a -domiant (including LIIs) would foremost establish their worldview through their own internal logic, and wish for everything to be ordered and "making sense"...before they incorporate new ideas and experiences. This is a distinction between -leading and intuition-leading. They also would not wish to delve deeply into the unknown and explore "some wild idea I could never know is true" - I believe a leading type would be far more likely to have a more conservative IJ temperament mindset, and would believe that any "wild idea" which they could never to be true would be worthless to them (it might turn out that they might never determine if a idea is true, but I really doubt an archetypal -leading type would explore something knowing they would never find some "truth" from it): for these reasons, it absolutely does not strike me as representative of the IM.


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    “That is exactly the problem I love,” Ruslan Medzhitov told me recently. “It’s very big, it’s very fundamental, and completely unknown.”
    “If you think of all the major symptoms of allergic reactions–runny noses, tears, sneezing, coughing, itching, vomiting and diarrhoea–all of these things have one thing in common,” said Medzhitov. “They all have to do with expulsion."
    “It’s never been done before, so we don’t know what the consequences will be,” says Medzhitov
    http://qz.com/689806/a-controversial...ave-allergies/

    This guy is a classic example of science - he figured out his theory mostly just by thinking about stuff, what makes sense and what doesn't, and ended up with something that no one had ever thought up before. (He does have a good quote at the end there though...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    Blah. Sounds more like intelligence, not Ti.

    Here is a great rephrased quote from an LII I recently met:

    "I welcome the unknown and enjoy taking on the perspective of some wild idea I could never know is true, just for that slight chance that, one of the times, I will actually know something real that nobody has ever thought before."
    Pretty sure formal logical reasoning is a great example of .

    The quote you gave is basically the definition of . LSIs most certainly do not "enjoy taking on the perspective of some wild idea I could never know is true". Arguably it is with .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    Formal logic is one of the most sure signs of higher intelligence, clearly not related. The above example I quoted is one example of an Introverted Thinker, because it relates to the detached and protracted LxI style of thinking of the Introverted Thinking description by Jung.
    In socionics formal logic is .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    Blah. Sounds more like intelligence, not Ti.

    Here is a great rephrased quote from an LII I recently met:

    "I welcome the unknown and enjoy taking on the perspective of some wild idea I could never know is true, just for that slight chance that, one of the times, I will actually know something real that nobody has ever thought before."
    The example as I presented it is simplistic, but I think it's valid...in a more complex situation, which would be almost any real-life situation, the Ti reasoning could still be broken down to that basic statement, I think.

    Ti-PoLR types (like myself) can have trouble w it bc, eg, we get distracted by different sources of Te, which we have a hard time prioritizing and (in my case at least) remembering all of...we can have trouble presenting clear, logical explanations of things, without either getting distracted/bogged down by part of the information we are presenting or contradicting ourselves without realizing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    In my experience that doesn't have to do with IEEs, just a lack of mathematical understanding and intellectual reasoning capabilities. We've known plenty of IEEs on here throughout the years who are truly eloquent at logic and intellectual reasoning, (not to mention plenty of other types who aren't.)
    Re: bolded -- of course Ti-PoLR doesn't mean unintelligent, and that's not what I'm saying. But Ti does have to do w logical consistency, which is what I'm saying XEEs have trouble w in their (our) explanations, moreso w more complex explanations or when giving reasons for beliefs that don't rely on hard evidence you can just point to.

    Also, I (think I) can explain complex ideas in ways that make sense to others without logical inconsistencies, etc, but I don't like to be put on the spot to do it; I prefer to be able to take my time and craft it... and if I do give an explanation in the spot, I can see myself receiving (and probably deserving) criticism like the first example I posted in this thread. Maybe that's human > Ti PoLR, but it's my 2 cents, anyway


    One more edit to add this: @Kim pointed out in the Ti PoLR thread how Ti types, or maybe just someone using Ti (too) meticulously, may pick out a slightly off word and say the XEE (or whomever is speaking, I guess) said something other than what they were actually trying to communicate, when the meaning should be clear (at the very least it's clear to the speaker and so, in ther mind, it should be clear to the listener as well). So I want to point out that the logical inconsistency may not *really* be a logical inconsistency although it might be interpreted that way by certain people/types.
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    Si feels like.. taking the obvious to an art. Noticing there are apples on the table. Something was wet, and now it's dry. Or it's not dry yet but it probably will be in 15 min. Where should I step if it's wet now? Do I even want to step? Maybe I will just sit here. Or maybe I will walk on it, sometimes the wet feeling is pleasurable.

    Or, in a macro-sense, where should I apply for work? I should only apply to things I know I can do. What can I reasonably manage?

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    "Will you smoke with me, Da Vinci?"

    "Well, that depends on what's in the pipe."

    "It is a mixture of tobacco and black hellebore and is rumored to induce visions and summon demons."

    "Well, I believe in neither."

    "Then why do you struggle so hard to keep both at bay?"
    History is a lie that has been honed like a weapon by people who have suppressed the truth.
    The knowledge you are destined to learn will upend the established order of things."

    "How could you possibly know that?"

    "You have heard the phrase 'Time is a river'? "

    "Yes."

    "What most fail to grasp is that the river is circular.
    One man's death opens a doorway to the birth of the next.
    Would you like to know how this particular doorway opened?"

    "Yes."

    "Be forewarned, then.
    Some doorways lead into darkness."

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     






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