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    Default Ben Shapiro

    Ne-LII?


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    This is probably a good video to type from, imo:


    i threw him in the gamma thread. Initial impression was definitely LII, but I think i was a bit biased based on his persona and demeanor. Thoughts now are Gamma NT though his Ti seems 4D to me which obviously makes me lean ILI. Also looks a bit like Max Born who is benchmarked as ILI. One thing that drew me away from Ni dom, initially, was the lack of the 'out of the moment' vibe, but honestly im not sure Ni doms even have that in many cases.

    A lot of his developed thought (like his books and lectures) centers around breaking down the thought process/method of argumentation of his opponents and developing a way to combat the arguments. Makes me think Tactician over Strategist in Reinin based on that. Also, when he argues he has a fairly extensive body of knowledge and leans on it without going past it. He is very attentive to the logic formulation involved in his arguments and, though he is pretty aggressive, he is quick to concede when he is wrong or when he sees a fair point. While our personalities and demeanor are fairly different, after watching enough videos I started to see a few parallels in the way we think/general cognition. I think ILI and LIE are the best options (still ILI seems a bit better), but he could still be something like LII. I just think Te ego is more likely.
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    mb INTJ
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    LII I guess

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    He's a P type

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    Him IQmogging some college student. I'm pro-choice but he seems pretty alpha intellectually.


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    LII-Ne 3w4, can't decide between "darksider" so/sx and "seducer" sx/sp for him.

    Much like Jordan Peterson's lectures there is a lot of SX 'fire' in what he says.



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    ISTJ
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    I just think Te ego is more likely.
    Agree. Creative-Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoline View Post
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    This is exactly right; he doesn’t have an original thought in his body; rather, he’s an ideological spokesperson for the whatever-you-want-to-call-whatever-movement-this-is. He’s like the human version of those dinosaurs that can puff out those colorful frills and then you realize they’re tiny and have nothing to actually say. He’s like what Tom Cruise is to L. Ron, except his L. Ron is whatever conservative political figure he encountered at the formative age of 13 when he realized he could impress people, and thereby feel a sense of contribution, via his forceful parroting of the cause.

    You can tell this an alpha form of Fe because of its obvious character of holding “public executions.” Its his way of enforcing and taking on the offense the underlying Ti constructions generated by the relatively invisible and retiring LIIs and ILEs who provided for him all his underlying premises (which were likely in turn generated by beta far upstream). Because of their general cloisteredness, especially in comparison to such a self-promoting figure, people make the mistake of thinking these thoughts are his own.

    Generally ESEs are most productive in entertainment, so it would be tempting to think maybe he’s wasting his talent. Then you realize the youtube/foxnews/facebook/podcast sphere of political discourse is precisely that. Its “politics” in the sense that its “political debate,” which is really just theatre, served up to reinforce psychological perspectives by restating what everyone already believes (+Fe), but in a way that obscures the fundamentally unoriginal, and empty, character of the thing (Ni polr) and emphasizes convincing delivery (+Fe -Si) in response to the collective discomfort such perspectives have recently had to endure, so as to promote comfort in their cultural bubble

    His entire spiel is just a gish gallop of talking points in a forum where such a thing has maximum impact and minimal chance of recalcitrance on the merits, which would require a slow and careful analysis rooted in intellectual charity and rigor and not what essentially amounts to a circus… bread and circuses

    for what its worth, I feel like you've been amazingly on point lately @pinoline I really enjoy your posts, you even got me to add my 2 cents because I think most people will not see how insightful you're being right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    This is exactly right; he doesn’t have an original thought in his body; rather, he’s an ideological spokesperson for the whatever-you-want-to-call-whatever-movement-this-is. He’s like the human version of those dinosaurs that can puff out those colorful frills and then you realize they’re tiny and have nothing to actually say. He’s like what Tom Cruise is to L. Ron, except his L. Ron is whatever conservative political figure he encountered at the formative age of 13 when he realized he could impress people, and thereby feel a sense of contribution, via his forceful parroting of the cause.

    You can tell this an alpha form of Fe because of its obvious character of holding “public executions.” Its his way of enforcing and taking on the offense the underlying Ti constructions generated by the relatively invisible and retiring LIIs and ILEs who provided for him all his underlying premises (which were likely in turn generated by beta far upstream). Because of their general cloisteredness, especially in comparison to such a self-promoting figure, people make the mistake of thinking these thoughts are his own.

    Generally ESEs are most productive in entertainment, so it would be tempting to think maybe he’s wasting his talent. Then you realize the youtube/foxnews/facebook/podcast sphere of political discourse is precisely that. Its “politics” in the sense that its “political debate,” which is really just theatre, served up to reinforce psychological perspectives by restating what everyone already believes (+Fe), but in a way that obscures the fundamentally unoriginal, and empty, character of the thing (Ni polr) and emphasizes convincing delivery (+Fe -Si) in response to the collective discomfort such perspectives have recently had to endure, so as to promote comfort in their cultural bubble

    His entire spiel is just a gish gallop of talking points in a forum where such a thing has maximum impact and minimal chance of recalcitrance on the merits, which would require a slow and careful analysis rooted in intellectual charity and rigor and not what essentially amounts to a circus… bread and circuses

    for what its worth, I feel like you've been amazingly on point lately @pinoline I really enjoy your posts, you even got me to add my 2 cents because I think most people will not see how insightful you're being right now
    where the hell have u been? : D

    I swear I didnt kno who Ben Shapiro is, just focused on his faces in a video without hearing the audio...

    ahhh I'm all getting deep into socion, it's getting unhealthy I must admit.. a heart for your kind words <3

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    haha yeah that's a way quicker way to get to it, but you know people will bog you down by trying to say things like "lul but his thoughts r so deep and you haven't addressed that--can't be ESE!!", when in fact you cut past all that bullshit. But I wanted to address it before it came up or before people just ignored your insight, never giving it a chance based on their own (ironic under the circumstances) superficial judgement

    I'm pretty much over socionics but you're a ray of sunshine, which is why I haven't bothered occupying myself with it for a while but also why I wanted to chime in now

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    @Bertrand u're a rainbow look at u D

    yes sometimes it's better to focus on visual over words (non-verbal language)... but the looks too can be deceiving, tis so hard to tell...

    I was just thinking I couldn't care less of what socionics type you are anyway because you're a Leo... but you make the best EII walking over the16types nomatter what

    we can open a business partnership now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    based on their own (ironic under the circumstances) superficial judgement
    speak for yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoline View Post
    ahhh I'm all getting deep into socion, it's getting unhealthy I must admit..
    I can understand, there's so much depth to socionics, not because of socionics per se, but because of the underlying intuitive patterns that just go deeper and deeper... you can just lose yourself in it... you gotta keep your feet on the ground... I really think its stuff like that that made Nietzsche go crazy etc

    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    speak for yourself
    I didn't mean to make at a jab at you, think of my words directed at pinoline as being their own little universe and having no relation to anything but us

    in other words, maybe your assessment is more correct, more objective, but I feel like me and pinoline are seeing the same thing, however wrong it may be... I don't care. I'm glad it is what it is (pinoline to me) and I feel like I have to acknowledge it, because it gets drowned out way too much and I don't like that about this world

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    Can't understand LII as a choice, seems pretty much based on superficial ideas about the type. No way this combative guy has an PoLR

    Gamma is the real deal. Listen to him using valued , , and here:



    Has to be LIE/ILI > SEE/ESI.

    (Tremendously like this guy even if I don't agree with everything, he has good pragmatic/factual reasonings. It's the )

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    My view is ILI-Te or LIE-Te.

    He has a very facts/evidence based approach to arguments, and strongly dislikes both Ne and Fe (compare him to Milo Yiannopolos, ILE). Ni is much more likely than Si as an perceiving element, as he's more focused on efficiency than reliability.

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    on a scale of 1-10 how much do you like ben shapiro and consider him a role model, cuivenen?

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