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    This guy dances/goofs off like I do, anyway, so I've decided he's an infantile :-D She doesn't have to be an aggessor. Who knows? (She reacts, tbh, not so differently than my SLI husband usually does.)

    Anyway, enjoy
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    This is great.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Ugh.

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    Guy reminds me of a IEI guy I know but the girl seems EIE.

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    I love this

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    That day when the LSI realizes their coworker's an idiot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    The girl just seems like she has a stick logged up her butt.
    And he seems like someone put stupid pills in his coffee that morning. I give ONE courtesy giggle. ONE. After that you need to stfu with all the dancing and crap...I'm tryin to be a newscaster and shit
    I'm just an effin ray of sunshine

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    Reminds me of pretty much an exact interaction I've had with an ESE guy. He was doing this ridiculous dance, not too different from the guy in the video, and I was sitting there pretty much just like the woman. He was not happy that I wouldn't join in. I would say Fe valuing extravert for the guy. Fe devaluing for the woman- and I'd say more likely Gamma. I think Deltas feed into that behavior a little bit more, especially IEEs. I don't think she is Beta ST because in my experience they don't seem to mind that stuff and they might even join in. She seemed LIE to me, but she could be something else.
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    Guy is super-id Fe that doesn't realize he looks like a jackass

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    They look ESE and LIE to me. Don't think he's infantile type at all. Many types act goofy from time to time, doesn't mean they're actual infantiles.

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    He's ESI and she's SEI ... blah blah blah ... quasi-identicals ... blah blah blah ... aggressor and caretaker ... blah blah blah. XSFx are very relationship-oriented, which makes them lame, wussy pansies.

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    I could be either of them in different situations.
    (with cameras on me, though, the female.)

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    Infantiles and strong Fe users aren't so transparent in the fact that they are trying very hard to be funny. That's an SLE trying to be funny and be the one to make everyone laugh and failing at it. Girl starts to laugh not because he is funny, but because he's pathetic in his attempts.

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    SLE would join in, LSI would laugh until he stopped doing it.

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    grimy savage that's what we are

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    I agree with @Jeremy8419 that the guy is acting through Fe mobilizing. Not really sure about the girl, all I can say is that she probably values Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    I agree with @Jeremy8419 that the guy is acting through Fe mobilizing. Not really sure about the girl, all I can say is that she probably values Se.
    I know like 4 guys well that self-type ESTP and fit SLE criteria. Often they do weird junk like dancing by themselves in front of people, making "funny" videos like this, etc. They look retarded to me, and I'm usually surprised when someone thinks they're funny or cool lol.

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    I hate infantile-y guys or at least guys who act stereotypically infantile (there are most likely guys who would theoretically be 'infantile' in socionics that don't act this way), but yeah. It's instinctually repulsive to me when guys act all whipped or let themselves be emasculated by women...like my attraction to a guy like that is nonexistent. I like to be treated nicely, paid for and to have my opinions agreed with and whatever else but there's a difference between that and letting your gf boss you around like grow some balls...lol. Just ewwww..This is the kind of guys I'd attract if I took an 'aggressor' role though. :/ Which sucks bc sometimes I want to approach first

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    I don't think there is any strong evidence for any particular type, but the woman's reaction reminds me of my stubborn resistance as someone tries to drag me onto the dance floor.

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    fwiw i think he's a dick.

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    He seems very confident and not shy and reserved. He's an extravert most likely LSE

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    I dont get how him dancing on camera makes him a dick lol. Or how he looks like a jackass. You guys sound like you have sticks up your asses.

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    @summerprincess, this reminds me of my experience listening to an ESE lady expressing her dismay towards victim men. something along the lines of '' they are so whiny and self-victimizing, they better grow some balls''. what was also funny was that she said her dream was to work as a secretary at the European space agency (was a huge fan of the IT crowd series, as it turned out). then people asked her how come that's what she wanted and i said ''to be around cool people''. she was very pleased with that, jaja

    it ~~could~~ be that caregivers appreciate it when people go up to them asking for help(?) instead of expressing insulated, pre-packaged, seemingly self-constructed victimhood. to be honest, i have experienced this with two IEI guys. it was like talking to a wall. they were definitely asking for an us-against-the-world, two-person fairytale, which is something @silke once captured in the shoutbox , when it comes to IEI-SLE duality


    edit: at this point, i believe that one of the two guys was fi-esi
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaein View Post
    I dont get how him dancing on camera makes him a dick lol. Or how he looks like a jackass. You guys sound like you have sticks up your asses.
    Well, you know, I don't think it's actually the dancing that bothers people. Even though I won't do it, I'd say there's actually a time and a place for it. I think it's more of the clear attention seeking behavior in a fairly inappropriate setting, and the fact that it looks like he is trying to flirt but not getting the hint. I think all of these things together would be particularly grating for men-- who are the ones who are criticizing him in this thread-- whereas I could see how victim or infantile women might not mind his behavior or see anything wrong with it. Same sexes are probably more prone to criticize each other while being more forgiving of the other anyway.

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    The dancing makes me cringe separate from the context.

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    It didn't occur to me that he was trying to flirt since he's so blatantly disregarding her reaction. I thought he was just amusing himself.

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    Doesn´t seem too bad, he´s just unfunnily dancing by himself? Seems like the typical thing you forget after 10 secs even if you relly dislike it.
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    The irony here is that her career probably remains stable and unremarkable, even though she took the conservative approuch to this moment, whilst his sky rockets thanks to a 2 min YouTube video showing some personality.

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    He does seem like an IEE and she seems like an SLI actually.

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    I thought the video was funny. .
    The lady finally laughed at the very end.

    He seems IEE. The lady--I've no idea.


    I do stuff like that around friends..

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    I used to do shit like that all the time in high school. I remember glaring over at my SEI friend while the National Anthem was playing and, for some unknown reason, the two of us just... burst out laughing. I think it was Remembrance Day or something, and this guy who actually did have a stick lodged up his ass, some Military cadet wannabe freak, gave me the death glare from across the room and, later that day, he got all up in my face, like, "do you know how disrespectful that was?" and I just stared at him, while desperately trying to contain my laughter, and said, "sorry, sir. it won't happen again, SIR!" and I swear to god he was two seconds away from cunt-punting me. so yeah, that lady's got 0 chill. got dayum
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    The dancing guy seems like he could be IEE or ILE, while the stiff woman could be LSI or ESI IMO.
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    Caregiver tries to put on infantile front which is actually more of aggressive behavior than actually being infantile.
    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    INXps are the most "childlike" in that... they're very passive and kind of clueless.

    The guy seems IEE. the woman seemed SLI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    INXps are the most "childlike" in that... they're very passive and kind of clueless.

    The woman seemed SLI.
    no
    ESTj are pseudo infantile

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    Guy is clearly Fe mobilizing.. ILE or SLE.. good crap do people here even bother studying functions anymore?

    Girl is either gamma or delta. Likely not SEE or IEE. Can't say more than that from just this video.

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    She doesn't seem that 'annoyed' by it, just standoffish and str8 girl ish. She's kinda smiling at him like 'oh my god you look so ridiculous.' Which... he does?

    People on the forum would see more like the guy on the left, but IRL I act much more like the girl. In fact, people often tell me how stern/too serious I am and that I should just 'smile more.' But because I'm not a sadist and I have 'nice nerdy video game loser' qualities .... I am seen more like the goofball I suppose.

    I love Fe campiness but when I try to generate it myself (in ways that are not writing but reality)... I think I always fall flat. I'm a Debbie Downer.

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    He takes up lot of space with his "show routine".


    I can say that when I try to take care-giver's responsibilities there's a high risk to actually end up in victim position. Seriously.
    I think lot of victims look like little brats when they try to be aggressive.
    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    Looks like my ILI cousin flirting tbh.

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