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    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    Hi echan nice to see you back.

    I'm sorry about your experience geez that's nuts.

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    Oh and what you describe sounds like what @Sol would do from the way he misunderstands people

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    Just a week ago I got kicked out of my house because my landlady thought we were conflictors, just because someone I know said I was ENFp and she was INTj.
    your landlady sounds idiotic.

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    youre joking right?

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    I think it's a joke but there are people who might use socionics this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echan View Post
    We are what and who we think we are.
    It's wrong for types. But it's possible to mistake and imagine yourself like being other type.
    Like people type wrong others, they may type wrong themselves. There are many examples when people are sure they have some type, after some time they become sure they have another type. Many are just mistyped ones, including at this forum.

    Just a week ago I got kicked out of my house because my landlady thought we were conflictors, just because someone I know said I was ENFp and she was INTj.
    1st of all, because she did not like you.
    So you've gotten problems, one of their reasons was people had some knowledge. Now you want there was no this knowledge wich made you problems. And to make this happen you say "the knowledge is wrong", you may have any type and hence IR traits.

    This is how serious Socionics can be.
    Any knowledge may be used for good and for bad for someone. For example, like a hammer or a car.

    I am fine now but this is all because of one thing: mistyping.
    The reasons are: 1) what she felt to you by fact, 2) how she have choosen to react on the information about types, wich even could be wrong. Possible mistyping is secondary thing and doubtful as opinions about types mean not much due to low matches (as average match is <30%) and absence of objective proof for typings.
    Also you contradict to yourself, as peviously you said the problem is type is the illusion as people have any type they dream themselves.

    Carl Jung was no Christian prophet.
    Yeh, Jung was just a psychologist wich said part of truth about people. Like those who invent cars are just engineers, cars wich sometimes cause death to people besides making life easier or helping to save peoples lifes.
    As for Christian prophets, - find info how much shit was done, including killing people, by the wish and approval of Church founded on what that prophets said.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    I think it's a joke but there are people who might use socionics this way.
    Of course, they use. Socionics says wich types are good and bad for relations and communications. This info may join and break.
    And as the problem of possible mistyping is great today, using of the typology have high risks. Anyway, there are much of reasons how people choose relations besides socionics, - reasons wich lead to problems in many cases too.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Of course, they use. Socionics says wich types are good and bad for relations and communications. This info may join and break.
    And as the problem of possible mistyping is great today, using of the typology have high risks. Anyway, there are much of reasons how people choose relations besides socionics, - reasons wich lead to problems in many cases too.
    A reason to throw her out of a place to live? WTF? You must be delusional

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    Echan

    Tell that person he or she's an idiot and the lowest human being ever for throwing you out because of type and to go suck it up.

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    If this shit is true,

    It's a blessing in a disguise.. That landlord sounds like a psychotic biotch.

    Hope you find somewhere cooler to live soon

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    Lots doesn't add up here.
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    Sorry to hear about your situation. I think you make a good point, though. I find that Se stuff is a lot easier than me if I "pretend" I'm Se-ego when I need to. If I just say, "Well, I'm Ne-ego so I can't do Se shit" I stagnate. I'm still not Se-ego, but slowly, shit gets done.
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    You guys are taking this too seriously. This doesn't check out. On the off chance that this actually happened, of course that's terrible and shallow, etc.

    I think her intention is to satirize the extent to which some people structure their lives by Socionics / other personality typing systems.

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    Lol how are people taking this seriously?

    When I was a kid, my family dog hated me because he was an ESTJ
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    I cannot believe this thread because I'm ILI and everyone knows ILI's only eat babies on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    I cannot believe this thread because I'm ILI and everyone knows ILI's only eat babies on Friday.
    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Lol how are people taking this seriously?

    When I was a kid, my family dog hated me because he was an ESTJ
    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hacim View Post
    You guys are taking this too seriously. This doesn't check out. On the off chance that this actually happened, of course that's terrible and shallow, etc.

    I think her intention is to satirize the extent to which some people structure their lives by Socionics / other personality typing systems.
    serious dichotomy? :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    I cannot believe this thread because I'm ILI and everyone knows ILI's only eat babies on Friday.
    And Discordians must not eat hot dog buns on Friday.

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    Smells like you are having irrational paranoia and mistrust towards complex theories that your Ti polr finds hard to fully comprehend, like here with socionics. INTjs are definitely not the type of people who just suddenly off people without warning just because they read some tid-bit of information that says they supposedly aren't mean't to get along with such-and-such people. INTjs are relatively accepting towards people who are different then them compared to most other types. Even if this particular INTj was some sort of bigot, I don't see why anyone would hate this badly on their supervisee, whom which poses little threat to the supervisor. Its towards one's supervisor or conflictor whom one is likely to have this sort of reaction towards, not their supervisee. As I see it there are probably 3 explanations for this story:

    1. The landlady was not INTj but rather a type with horribly weak T mistyping herself as INTj and taking the theory way too far. (sounds unlikely)

    2. The was a build up of past events that caused tension between you and her and this was merely used as an excuse to kick you out.

    3. The story is exaggerated or is missing critical details.


    To answer the title question, its just a matter of learning as much as you can about the subject matter before passing off these sorts of judgements.
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    As always with people, decision comes first and the rationalized explanation second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neneth View Post
    As always with people, decision comes first and the rationalized explanation second.
    Actually, the urge or e-motion comes first, then the action/decision.
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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    I want to be ISTp.

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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by echan View Post
    It's horrible.

    I'm all alone just like my other flatmate.

    We got separated by time and space.

    I'm going through shock.

    Extreme shock.

    T_T
    Can ya'll get another place together? Share an apt or such?
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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    So where are you staying now since you've gotten kicked out??

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    @echan I didn't get a chance to read your quotes before you deleted them but I assume whatever you said wasn't pretty. I realize I might of put my Ti a little bit on the offensive in my previous response and I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. I can't help but retaliate when people, in my eyes, close-mindedly reject something instead of delving deeper and learning what it is really all about. If you were cool with what I said earlier then disregard this comment.

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    Echan you didn't have to delete these posts. They were entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    @echan I didn't get a chance to read your quotes before you deleted them but I assume whatever you said wasn't pretty. I realize I might of put my Ti a little bit on the offensive in my previous response and I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. I can't help but retaliate when people, in my eyes, close-mindedly reject something instead of delving deeper and learning what it is really all about. If you were cool with what I said earlier then disregard this comment.
    Actually I didn't get offended by your post at all.

    I didn't even know what i was saying actually.

    You are right I should delve deeper into it.

    I am just not sure how.

    Anyway what I said was insulting so I need to change my type back to INFp.
    One thing I will stick to.

    You are what you think you are.

    I thought i was INFp before and just turned into a relaxed INFp. it showed in my pretty photos (INFps tend to be much prettier actually)

    Now my facial expressions are all wrong because i am so INFj.

    I hate being INFj all the time actually.

    I am too scared of taking chances, of going on adventures.

    I criticize people in my mind all the time and judge them for their habits

    Being Ij just sucks.

    I'm going back to being INFp, period.
    I want to be ISTp.

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    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the otherís condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariantís surface formality. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by echan View Post
    Actually I didn't get offended by your post at all.

    I didn't even know what i was saying actually.

    You are right I should delve deeper into it.

    I am just not sure how.

    Anyway what I said was insulting so I need to change my type back to INFp.
    One thing I will stick to.

    You are what you think you are.

    I thought i was INFp before and just turned into a relaxed INFp. it showed in my pretty photos (INFps tend to be much prettier actually)

    Now my facial expressions are all wrong because i am so INFj.

    I hate being INFj all the time actually.

    I am too scared of taking chances, of going on adventures.

    I criticize people in my mind all the time and judge them for their habits

    Being Ij just sucks.

    I'm going back to being INFp, period.
    Cool beans. But I do still think you ENFp, or perhaps ESFp. One of the tell tale signs of the of an EXFp is this sort of skepticism and wariness towards abstract theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    Cool beans. But I do still think you ENFp, or perhaps ESFp. One of the tell tale signs of the of an EXFp is this sort of skepticism and wariness towards abstract theory.
    Yeah I am actually ESFp.

    Gave it some thought.

    You are quite right about the skepticisim towards abstract theory actually.

    Socionics is a useful and quite valid theory I know this by instinct however I do get skeptical of it for no reason sometimes. Sometimes I overtype people and this just stresses me out. i hate typing and categorizing things all the time to be honest.

    Hope this helps.

    Anyway I am tired of going out shopping until I drop all the time and need someone to keep me inside at home >_<

    I am in love with my benefactor the ESTj :3

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by echan View Post
    Yeah I am actually ESFp.
    That would make sense then. I often find myself confused by SEEs sometimes, which may be a feature of super-ego relations. (super-ego pairs have a particularly hard time understanding one another) Thankfully I can use socionics to know this kind stuff when it happens and allow for smoother interaction with people of other types. I promise you there is nothing to fear from things like socionics/enneagram, aside from the hoard of LIIs that tend gravitate towards such theories. LIIs aren't the type to constantly to harass and provoke others for kicks so just ignore them and I think you will be fine.

    Anyway cheers to you also for braving your Ti polr/Ne role in order to learn more things that my benefit you in the future. Socionics is a Ti + Ne system so it is understandable that a person of your type might be a bit skeptical of it and theories like it.
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