many socionics resources emphasize duality, but being with duals isn't the only way to seek that information. what else do you do to get your fix or feed your DS fct? are you able to fulfill it without relying on others?
many socionics resources emphasize duality, but being with duals isn't the only way to seek that information. what else do you do to get your fix or feed your DS fct? are you able to fulfill it without relying on others?
Well, mine is fairly readily available via the internet.
I secretly grope hunky mannequins in department stores.
Interesting topic. I sure could use suggestions, especially since there's literally zero Delta ST people in my life at present.
One thing I do is voluntary work. It involves helping others in a way that is very tangible. So there's my Te-Si fix (more Te focused though, not so much Si).
I always plan to visit doctors more often to finally resolve some imbalances and actually let knowledgeable people help me get my body in order. I get discouraged quickly though, mostly because it's time consuming.
I call myself batyote and I fight crime at night.
Lol I get my ds fix from.reading descriptions of our dual pair then crying about it because the last two dual relationship I was in neither were honest and cared about commitment to me. I'm getting better at finding someone who wants me because they want to share their lives with me
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
sad-face for Maritsa
Socionics -
the16types.info
Music!
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Been offline, I am at starbucks. I do not have an internet connection right now.
Socionics -
the16types.info
Typically just try to provoke others into it, I think. Sometimes I can give it to myself by waving a 'transcendental cause' flag, but it's not often I get to do that and live the next day without being a hypocrite.
I watch Oprah.
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
I'm looking for Fi, which means getting up close and personal with someone, frequently enough to satisfy my need for a fix. Very few people, it seems, can individually supply enough of the drug to keep me functioning normally.
Therefore, I am forced to know a lot of people and to interact with them frequently. Sort of like a bee collecting pollen grains, instead of just going for the honey itself.
DS fix? I used to think this was a discussion about Dominant/Submissive relationships, that's why I did not bother taking a look at this tread. xD Hahaha.
Okay, you mean "Dual-seeking" fix... Got it. xD Haha!
For some, DS fix = DP fix.
Shortly after my divorce, the newly divorced IEI wife of a friend of mine invited me over to her house, ostensibly to fix her luggage, but really to interview me for the position of her new companion (lol). In the process of discussing our lives, I complained to her that my SLI ex thought love meant folding my laundry. I said, I didn't need my laundry folded, I needed intimacy. She asked me, What do you have to offer a woman in return?
At this point, I suddenly realized this was a job interview rather than a discussion between two friends, and I was so surprised that I didn't have an answer. Certainly not a ready answer, since I had never really thought about relationships in those terms. I think I mumbled something about being able to make money fast and easily.
But after being on this forum for a while, I realize that I actually do Te best. That is, organizing for efficiency. Cell phone doesn't charge? Buy a new one, don't spend time trying to fix the old one, you will just waste more time on that than it is worth. Car broken? If it is past a certain point, sell it, buy a new one. Student loans and other debt? Pay off the highest interest rates first. Just do it and move on to more productive, more enjoyable things. Eventually, you find yourself doing enjoyable things that are very rewarding. Making money fast and easily is a result of Te, not a means to it.
Neither is the answer the IEI was looking for, but that actually was a good thing.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 12-21-2015 at 03:20 PM.
Should have been like /whips out anaconda
Combat Sports. Alcohol. Being a jerk to strangers.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
By asking my ENTj sister to teach me to wrap presents in a professional manner. But then again you said without somone else, in that case I dont know
By Googling socionics personal ads and searching for 'ESE.'
Actually, no. I don't really do much of anything, if I find my dual it's most likely by chance.
I am lucky in that there are a couple of ESEs, I know in real life including one that has an avid interest in socionics.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I sleep a lot. Listen to music
You don't actually need another person for your DS, though. The superego block will kick in when you're running out. It helps to be proactive about the superego, though, so you don't overdo it.
Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 12-22-2015 at 10:15 AM.
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nevermind, i think you're right, the superid isn't something you can easily provide for yourself. what happens when you don't have it is that the demonstrative + polr functions try to reconnect to some other source. so i think by developing them you can prevent the loss of DS in the first place.
Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 12-23-2015 at 10:01 AM.
I'm not sure if this is DS at hand, but I've always been enthralled by learning about customs and cultures of other countries, mainly in Europe. I never have time to devote to it but it's something that lights up brain activity for me. In grade school I was best in geography and language arts. I read books on etiquette and American history. I wish I could make it a priority but it wouldn't be practical for me and where I'm at. But once in a great while I will watch youtube videos about what it's like in other countries and how they act to show respect/politeness, how their family units differ from American families, what their pop culture is like, what they eat, wear, things of that nature. Is that Fe?
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
History was also one of my strongest subjects in school, I wonder if there is indeed a connection between Fe seeking and taking an interest in alternative lifestyles and cultures. I always enjoyed learning about other cultures in past times because it is as if I am able to experience a whole different reality and understand how the mood (Fe?) of people changes over different times and different places.
Super-id is worked by the individual as the lack of dual increases. By increasing the information present in it, the individual gains in his individual scope of application. The greater the super-id information held, the more situations the Ego of the individual can solve.
When you don't have your DS function you become defensive via the demonstrative and POLR functions.
For example
SLI
Without Ne DS (external integrity) their demonstrative Ti gets defensive. This can take the form of distancing themselves from a particular person or place, and putting their focus on something else. Fe polr also gets defensive, so they might start telling jokes or complimenting people, to get them to emotionally respond. These usually restore Ne.
So if you consciously develop your demonstrative and POLR functions, they'll be more useful during times of stress, and you'll even be able to use them proactively, to acquire DS, and not just defend against the loss of it. At the very least, the loss won't be that severe.
In particular it's helpful to develop the POLR since it's under conscious control. It's a good idea to observe how others who are strong in this function use it, and try to imitate them.
Alternatively you could put energy into developing the role function, which is the final barrier before disintegration of the ego ("ego death"), which happens when you're totally unconscious of your DS. If your demonstrative and POLR functions are ineffective, and you're close to ego death, then the role function will emerge automatically and continuously, until you regain consciousness of DS. The more developed the role function, the more stable the entire psyche becomes.
Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 12-24-2015 at 11:50 AM.
@ConcreteButterfly I am also quite curious about this, so if you don't mind I would also like an example of LII's Ni and Se getting defensive when there no Fe. Bonus points if you show how this contrast with ILI. I would also like to learn more about this "ego death" you mentioned.
well I actually don't agree with my former statement, but for the sake of theory:
LSI- without Fe, would become defensive via Si demonstrative, so perhaps they'd change their hairstyle or clothing to be similar or more in sync with group norms, ignoring their own Si standards. maybe overwork themselves, not stopping to sleep or eat. Or indulging in immediate sensory gratification at the expense of long term goals, such as impulse shopping, or casual sex. Ne polr defensiveness would be counter changes to external changes, for example if someone suddenly swerved towards them on the road, they might swerve in the opposite direction to "cancel out" the Ne change. This would bring them back to center internally (Ni), and ideally increase emotional harmony (Fe)
I notice that when I am stressed out in a situation I begin asking people excessive amounts of questions on what to do and how things should be done. I try to collect as much information as possible so there is no room for error. Is this how Te demonstrative operates as emergency defense? How would Ni demonstrative's defense look like in comparison?