When I'm up for it I'll give an explanation but for now I'm going with EIE.
When I'm up for it I'll give an explanation but for now I'm going with EIE.
I don't know, personally don't read these typically. I like your organized tabs, though.
Where did you get the idea you're Fe-leading type or even ethical in the first place? Did you test as ESE or something ?
Lol, sorry, I haven't noticed the part in bold. Your questionaire makes me think that. There's all this emphasis on gathering knowledge, system buiding, troubleshooting, being afraid of physical confrontations and concerned with security in general- LII maybe? You also sound like you are allergic to Se.
You seem to be a mix of e5 and e6 from your answers. I don't see Ni ego and you're clearly logical imo. LSI somehow doesn't fit either, so all I could imagine you as was LII, all else is problematic for one reason or another. But if you say you can't relate to Ne at all, I really don't know : ) Don't you have at least a vague idea which IE's you use and which you don't?
mb ESFP
My impression from the video was also EIE. You have an overflow of energy in your speech and never make any long pauses which to me is a clear indicator of the passionate communication characteristic of Ethical Extraverts. I do not think you are SEE, I know Se when I see it and I am not getting any of that from you. Fe base seems far more likely, and judging from the questionnaire N>S, so that leaves EIE as the most probable type. Visually you also remind me of other EIEs.
Lmao, you're completely different than I imagined you. Apologies for my wrong input You seem ExFx, most likely EIE (IEE as a second option) .
ESE
You're awesome btw lol, not awkward at allllll
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Sometimes, subjectively. By that video, as you've seen "mb", I have no high certainty.
Nonverbal method gives not less typing match than when people type by big questionnaires (max 30% for both, average is close), so it's not worse than when you'd were typed by questionnaire only. While analysis of big questionnaire needs too much efforts to keep fun. What you've said on video was used in some degree too, so the situation is better than I'd used nonverbal method only.
If you think additional questionnaire analisis gives much higher accuracy, then try to find prove such gives much higher match at least. I have no this data, buddy. Also I have much less trust to what people say, then to what I feel of types related from nonverbal info.
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this needs strong Ni, in ego better. not valuing Ni
or trance state for mind (meditation, alcohol, etc) - this may change a little presence of functions in mind
if you like to think about time it's more for Ni valuing, then Ne valuingIs this more consistent with Ni/Se valuing or Si/Ne valuing?
As prelude. There were in 1999 year experiment where people typed during IRL interview. They were not gurus, but enthusiast, and have gotten average match ~17% (in original article % of match was calculated wrongly, but it could be recalculated by raw data in the article). As for gurus wich lead schools and teach Socionics, - I have no data about their high match in such experiments. Some picture of the situation with gurus shows what match they have in typing famouses - far from 100% generally.
I made a couple of match experiments by casual videos with a random forum people on one Russian forum. Other ones did similar by photos and questionnaire. All have gotten average match <20%. If there were more experienced typers probably max match was up to 50%, not close to 80-100% anyway to say about high accuracy.
So when someone else gives you that typing, you understand it, yet when it comes from me you do not?
Your biases are disgusting.
I'm still giving my vote for alpha NT, if not LII then ILE with Fe HA makes sense fine.
...And then the circle is fully run once more. That is, you are again back to your original typing at ENTP/ENTp. Enjoy this Ne crap tho' if you want. I'm not going to get involved with your games again. I only looked at this thread because you did a mention on my name - which I see has disappeared since then for some reason.
I'm not really against the ESE suggestions, both of the Fe base types look very probable. I suppose this is matter of Ni vs Si. ESE's with their creative Si often like to take care of others and make them feel comfortable by ways such as making good food or making the environment cozy. EIE also likes to help people but does so in more of a grand scheme kind of way, such as pushing forward positive social reform. ESE prefers to see their efforts with own eyes even if it means doing less in the long run, while EIE prefers to make the biggest overall impact possible even if they don't always get to see the results for themselves.
OMG 15 seconds and I got fed up. Fe dom.
Yeah, I didn't get any Ni (or Fe for that matter) from your questionnaire, the only thing I could imagine was some sort of Se-devaluing NT (you sounded very much robotic, accentuating how you don't feel any emotions or show any). I agree with @Myst, that Fe-base is quite ridiculous coming solely from the questionnaire. So I was very surprised at your presentation in the video. Tbh, ESE is not something I would type you even from the video, I think you're intuitive. ILE is imo more probable than ESE. Take my opinion with a graint of salt, because I'm not sure. Let's say I'd type you ENxx for now
offer you:
Compare descriptions of 4 S-F types - wich type fits you more.
Check 4 N-T in my examples (bloggers in the signature), - wich types give you more trust, and wich more feel of extraneous personality. Additionally you may check actors list, but it needs cleaning already.
Looked at that video. Fe HA is quite OK with me based on that. It could be Fe in other positions too, on its own it doesn't decide, but taken together with everything else, Fe HA fits it alright.
Taking into account everything I've seen so far (here and the other forum), which is quite some data.. ILE seems to make the most sense, yes. I will post a bit more on this soon.I'm not back to ENTP/ILE, actually. Are you? I'm still not really sure.
As for the "Ne crap", I've thought about this a lot and I think the jumping around is due to my Ti, actually, which finds it difficult to make decisions, and when it does make a decision, it finds it very easy to change its decision and its reasoning for any given decision. Also, I'm more comfortable with multiple options on the table than "cornered" into one single option (even if it's the right one! It's still stifling).
Apology accepted.Regardless, there are no apologies sufficient for the way I've behaved towards you. So I'm not even going to try. I understand and respect that you want no part of this discussion and I wouldn't ask that of you. (You're welcome to respond again if you want, but I'm not going to ask that of you.)
Thanks again and....I guess I'll see you around the (other) forum.
OK so here's why ILE. Possibly ILE-Ne over ILE-Ti. You display stereotypically Alpha quadra values and you have strong N, weak S functions, overall almost stereotypically NT over SF if staying with Alpha quadra. Overvalued Fe HA can account for doubt over the possibility of being one of the Fe base types. It happens often that someone overfocuses on the HA function like that, mistaking it for their base function. EIE could only work if there's such a thing as an EIE with pretty strong Alpha values. Otherwise, high Ne and some degree of Fe use superficially could look like EIE for a short time. I did consider that originally, yeah. But, you don't seem to be into Fe in the way Fe egos are. Ability for expressiveness on its own doesn't mean Fe ego, the idea on Fe as an information element is not as simple as that. Fe egos often aren't even that expressive, especially not over-the-top, when they feel it's better to be more nuanced than that in a situation, with their strong and conscious focus on how they will dynamically affect other people's emotional states by their expressions, words and actions.
Np.
Yep that's what I was talking about.Agreed again - from what we've discussed, I don't think my Fe is cognitively like that of Fe egos - it's just the expressiveness that might be superficially similar.
Yeah. I noticed I'm kinda overexpressive, lol, it's kinda out of control, doesn't really match my words/content. Most of the Fe egos I've known are MUCH more nuanced in their expressions, even if they're excited or w/e, you get a lot more level and refined expressions, not my completely over-the-top and almost disturbing expressions I have in my video ;D
Not everyone necessarily has a subtype, some people are balanced between the two "extremes" - I was going by the video there when I said possibly Ne subtype but in writing you have also come off more as Ti subtype at times.As for subtype, since I seem more NFish than STish and have an relatively decent/high reliance on Fe, I'd probably be an Ne subtype anyway. Right? How would I tell? Obviously I'm now working off the assumption that I'm ILE at least lol. I don't think a "strong" Ti would automatically mean Ti subtype right.
My son is SLE and my brother is LSI. They are both really awesome decent people.(okay I am a little bit biased). I am not privvy to their romantic ways! Well, one is my son, and he is 19. I can imagine that being his style though. But romance ways and how you are in every day life are different. Ever since my son was little kids loved him. At a friend's party someone's little brother or sister would take to him and follow him around the whole party. He was always gentle and easy with his cousins who lived nearby, two boys 5 & 7 years younger and they love him. Also my (new) husband's granddaughter who is 5 fell instantly IN LOVE with him, and he is so good with her when they are here together, while she is glued to his side and looking up at him adoringly. My LSI brother is married to his EIE Dual and they have an ideal marraige. They have 4 boys and my brother really is an ideal husband and father who serves his family constantly. By their interactions, they way they tease each other, I can imagine them behaving like Beta Duals.
It might be good to look at your romantic style here (again, if you already have). Because knowing your romantic style will help you decide between ESE and EIE. Agressor/Victim style seems a bit "much" for Caregiver/Childlike. But its not too much for them. Maybe you are an ESE-Caregiver because the Alpha NT's appeal to you particularly.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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That Alpha-love makes me think you are Alpha. Maybe you are the ESE like you thought. My ex was/is ESE. He was also a Narcissist, and it was a prolonged sad situation. But I have two friends who are ESE and they are the bee's knees. They are both great Moms, totally devoted to their families and they are true, true friends to all their friends (and they have many). There is not an abusive bone in their bodies.
I agree, a young abusive person can STAY that way their whole life - and in fact that's the norm. I once took care of a paralyzed neighbor who was a multi-millionaire. I was only in high school, and shy. He was blind and paralyzed from the neck down. 80 maybe? He had a 90 year old live in caregiver who he was so mean to. He once wanted me to watch how many teabags she put in her tea because he thought she was being wasteful and using two. Everyone who visited him came out looking downtrodden. Then he started to be mean to me, and I refused to go back. It is amazing that in his extremely helpless condition he was STILL able to make everyone miserable around him.
You must be on the Caregiver/Childlike side of Erotic Attitudes because I have had this same reaction to movies with exaggerated Aggressor/Victim love scenes, and I see that amazingly other people DON'T have this reaction to those scenes. Its just a different style.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I am seeing ESE as plausible possibility for you in these brief communications BTW! Forcing yourself on your partner - its not actual forcing, its consensual arousal. Like imagine a romance cartoon, dramatic, "Take me!" Excitement. Surrender. Like hot, steamy. Like this:e10eaaa0b674023eea38442d475ff0b8.jpg [@TheJackal : there is your SEE woman/ILI man]
vs.:bea66d04bdafb40f465d1559b56e2528.jpg Which is more sensual, exploring.
Its hard to get used to the names. Love is a complex thing sort of (yet simple). Yes, I hated the word "Childlike", too, at first, but actually that is how I flirt and tease with my SLI husband. It sounds funny all written out, but its just natural IRL. There are other articles here on romance styles but I can't look them up at the moment. I remember reading in one of those articles that Beta's like to really SQUEEZE when they hug. LOL. Beta's here confirmed that. Cute. But I prefer the subtleness of a gentle fully-there hug, and a caress...
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I actually get the impression you might be a Delta NF or LII at this point.
You like Alpha NTs because they share and valuing and are Logical types.
You dislike Beta STs because one of them is your Conflictor, and in general you find rather obnoxious. (Most likely PoLR.)
Also, you are expressing in your statements regarding how certain actions are "morally objectionable". Ignoring is rarely so concerned with such things. When I ask my ESE mother what she thinks about something (morally), or what she likes in particular, she tends to become quiet all of a sudden and either not answer me at all, or be vague about it.
And, I have known mostly Childlikes (primarily EII) finding the romance style theory unappealing, especially being called "Childlike".
Okay, this sounds a lot like LII, weak/dual-seeking in particular.
(I am also seeing hints towards some kind of E6 inclinations, note: being afraid of ... etc. You might be 5w6 or 6w5.)
(I suppose your statements were likely just Role.)
All in all, it seems to me like you have been mistyped as your Dual.
Would you like the idea of dating an ESE?
Actually, most dedicated social activists I have known of were Fi ego.
If you are not LII, then I'd say you are most likely EII, to be honest.
Just something to think about...
Your previous statements sounded all very Se PoLR, as I have said before.
What about Te irritates you?
That's not true, haha. Not all Fi egos only care about themselves.
SEEs can be very generous people, for instance.
Just like not all Fi egos are selfish, just so are not all Fe egos truly selfless.
May I ask what exactly you do, activism-wise?
And if you had to pinpoint one thing that is a weakness of yours which you wish you could improve, what would it be?
@SisOfNight is being very helpful here. I admire what you do. I have a LII friend whom I could picture doing this. Working to change laws. To combat injustices. She is very intelligent, and it takes brains and know-how to know a system well enough to go about trying to change it. She does such a thing, taking aims at the system, in proper form, to combat injustice, as well as to raise awareness of issues, in another realm. She dedicates her time, her life, her intelligence, and her considerable resources to her efforts.
People around LII's generally consider them to be quite intelligent.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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