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    https://www.facebook.com/ModelGulenko/?fref=photo

    Just found this model recently. It looks pretty interesting/useful. Does anyone know anymore about it? Is this something that is becoming more commonly used?

    Probably can't read it, but you get an idea. If you want to read it then you need to click the link.

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    It's not considered part of Socionics. With it, Gulenko effectively left Socionics and called Model A "classical socionics." It's effectively a version of Model B by someone who couldn't process Model B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    It's effectively a version of Model B by someone who couldn't process Model B.
    How is this? Is it more simplified than model B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    How is this? Is it more simplified than model B?
    No, it's a more complicated way to try and solve what Model B already did, which is Libido (energy). I had looked through it previously and was confused by how Gulenko could have missed such. In MBTI, the functional stacking shows what Model B shows, except it only shows the Libido flow. Model A did not include Libido, whereas MBTI did not include information. Model B reconciled the two into a single model. Gulenko is trying to holograph, that is, turn it inside out, Model A to see the opposite side presented by MBTI and how they connect. He's just trying to make Model B and doesn't realize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    No, it's a more complicated way to try and solve what Model B already did, which is Libido (energy). I had looked through it previously and was confused by how Gulenko could have missed such. In MBTI, the functional stacking shows what Model B shows, except it only shows the Libido flow. Model A did not include Libido, whereas MBTI did not include information. Model B reconciled the two into a single model. Gulenko is trying to holograph, that is, turn it inside out, Model A to see the opposite side presented by MBTI and how they connect. He's just trying to make Model B and doesn't realize it.
    Curious, where have you seen him say he cares about mbti? I'd want to read.
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    He's made statements regarding correlations between Socionics and MBTI, and between Socionics and Big 5. Also, that picture has MBTI in it, and he references such things in some of his videos. I don't have references, but you may be able to troll through that Facebook page. He's purportedly a believer in J/P switch for conversion. For big 5, he places openness as intuition, agreeableness as feeling, conscientiousness as rationality, and extroversion is obvious. MBTI/Big5 studies show conscientiousness is Judging

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    Looks interesting....

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    It may be a better model than Model B for understanding things for some personality types. Model B was made by Bukalov who is ILE and in my supervision ring, so I understand him easiest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    Is this something that is becoming more commonly used?
    No. One from a pile of Gulenko's strange hypotheses.

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    I remember my time as stoned and chronically depressed teenager. When I would be active I'd make models like this, with nice arrows and abreviations. Sometimes I even believed it meant something.

    The above is to say that the facebook page above doesn't look like one from a professional adult but more a deluded teenager. One of the reasons I have troubles with Socionics; the marketing and product development is garbage.

    Still waiting for that socionics for dummies book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    I remember my time as stoned and chronically depressed teenager. When I would be active I'd make models like this, with nice arrows and abreviations. Sometimes I even believed it meant something.

    The above is to say that the facebook page above doesn't look like one from a professional adult but more a deluded teenager. One of the reasons I have troubles with Socionics; the marketing and product development is garbage.

    Still waiting for that socionics for dummies book
    It's called "Relationships for Dummies," but it's only ever read by people who don't want relationships lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/ModelGulenko/?fref=photo

    Just found this model recently. It looks pretty interesting/useful. Does anyone know anymore about it? Is this something that is becoming more commonly used?
    I've cursorily browsed a few Model G discussions on Russian-speaking websites and forums. Turns out that Model "G" was proposed by Gulenko back in 1995, so it is something that is making a re-entry from many years ago. It's an attempt to further reformat and improve Model "A" to encompass energy metabolism along with information metabolism, as well as account for some intertype relationship interpretation gaps (e.g. what makes dual relationships not as common as would be predicted on basis of Model A alone).

    I'm guessing Gulenko is interested in tying in some of the theoretical aspects of socionics to research in cognitive science and psychology that has been conducted in the West up to date. Hence his intertest in Dario Nardi's work and resurrection of his old energo-model. As most of the people interested in the development of socionics are aware of the current shortcomings of Model A as well as of futility of proceeding further without some experimental results.

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    Model B already has Energy, though lol

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    I have hard time to see it as new model. Alternative interpretation of Model A with different words. It is more like a fork taking into a consideration on how many ways Model A is interpreted. Partially it gives impression of going bit deeper but at the expense of IE interplay within a person. Creative vs demonstrative is bit hazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    I remember my time as stoned and chronically depressed teenager. When I would be active I'd make models like this, with nice arrows and abreviations. Sometimes I even believed it meant something.

    The above is to say that the facebook page above doesn't look like one from a professional adult but more a deluded teenager. One of the reasons I have troubles with Socionics; the marketing and product development is garbage.
    Hypothesis and representation in progress not a finished product. It is pretty weird how much I can put time on polishing things and never finish the whole project. Those countless hours I put in use when I wrote organic molecules with LaTeX syntax.... (yes, I'm insane)

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    I've cursorily browsed a few Model G discussions on Russian-speaking websites and forums. Turns out that Model "G" was proposed by Gulenko back in 1995, so it is something that is making a re-entry from many years ago. It's an attempt to further reformat and improve Model "A" to encompass energy metabolism along with information metabolism, as well as account for some intertype relationship interpretation gaps (e.g. what makes dual relationships not as common as would be predicted on basis of Model A alone).

    I'm guessing Gulenko is interested in tying in some of the theoretical aspects of socionics to research in cognitive science and psychology that has been conducted in the West up to date. Hence his intertest in Dario Nardi's work and resurrection of his old energo-model. As most of the people interested in the development of socionics are aware of the current shortcomings of Model A as well as of futility of proceeding further without some experimental results.
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    It seems to me that Model G is based on Gulenko's extensive experience with the types, and it seems generally more based on reality than Model B. The interpretation of +/- is also a lot more intuitive, although oversimplified. I use the same way of assigning signs because it assigns the same signs to benefit/supervision rings. It encapsulates the idea of "information flow", which Model B does not. edit: I take this back, Model B has this concept too. However, neither G nor B give a good operationalization of this concept, IMO.

    However, some of the specific definitions of signed IM elements that Gulenko uses seem like they could be improved, like +Si = maximizing comfort and -Si = minimizing discomfort, or -Fe = negative emotion and +Fe = positive emotion. I have presented on my website what I believe to be a more coherent set of definitions, although they are still a work in progress. The signs help to explain the relationships between the elements:

    https://wholesocionics.herokuapp.com...low-in-Model-A
    https://wholesocionics.herokuapp.com...ts-in-Model-A2
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    I've cursorily browsed a few Model G discussions on Russian-speaking websites and forums. Turns out that Model "G" was proposed by Gulenko back in 1995, so it is something that is making a re-entry from many years ago. It's an attempt to further reformat and improve Model "A" to encompass energy metabolism along with information metabolism, as well as account for some intertype relationship interpretation gaps (e.g. what makes dual relationships not as common as would be predicted on basis of Model A alone).

    I'm guessing Gulenko is interested in tying in some of the theoretical aspects of socionics to research in cognitive science and psychology that has been conducted in the West up to date. Hence his intertest in Dario Nardi's work and resurrection of his old energo-model. As most of the people interested in the development of socionics are aware of the current shortcomings of Model A as well as of futility of proceeding further without some experimental results.
    How does it account for dual relationships not being common as they should be in Model A?


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