Quadral Complexes and Characteristics by Stratiyevskaya

**silke** · 11-09-2015, 11:30 PM

**Eliza Thomason** · 11-11-2015, 05:29 PM

It sounds intriguing! But pretty hard to read. (impossible, on my computer - it did not translate at all) Those machine translations are pretty hard to read, anyway. But I am quite curious about the complexes,. the "Alpha: Quadral Complex of Closed Mouth", the "Beta: Quadral Complex of Subservience", the "Gamma: Quadral Complex of Tied Hands" and the "Delta: Quadral Complex of Undercut Wings"... could you maybe give us a tiny bite? A sentence or two of explanation on those??

**silke** · 11-13-2015, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

... could you maybe give us a tiny bite? A sentence or two of explanation on those??

I've cleaned up the first section of each article to give a feel for each - you can view them here

α - http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
β - http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
γ - http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
δ - http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya

**Eliza Thomason** · 11-14-2015, 03:40 AM

More goodies as I read:

"Beta Quadra types fears that there won't be enough sweet cake for all, and those who become expelled into the lower level will get "a stick" instead of the cake - punishment and oppression instead of encouragement and reward." - - Aw!

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"If a Delta Quadra type tell others: "You still have something to work on," - he sincerely believes that he's doing good work by raising the bar of requirements (and thereby places himself in the position of a strict critic, a teacher, a creative mentor) and making others perfect and improve in their skill and abilities, and unravel his potential. On the other side, falling under the criticism and finding themselves in a forced position of a "student", Delta Quadra types take an offense at such a self-appointed teacher and try to escape from his "care", retorting with: "I'm satisfied with everything about my work. I'm content with what I'm doing and not in need of outside advice."

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"Emotional pressure in Gamma Quadra is considered to be the most cruel form of psychological terror. It is considered to be here an "illegal move", which no one under any circumstances should use. If the partner uses this "move" all too often, his demands become ignored, while his emotional state is simply not taken into account. " - - Aw.

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Re: Alpha: "Each person considers it to be their duty (a natural and legal right) to speak freely on any subject or issue, not limiting themselves to the means of expression in the lexicon and by time." - - My ILE friend's message on his answering machine has always ended with a very pleasant: "And please feel free to leave as long a message as you'd like."! And so here we see a reason for that!

More Alpha: "Alpha Quadra is not distinguished by the ability to keep secrets. Here, any restrictions to disclosures are experienced painfully. (Especially talkative in this regard is TIM ESE, Hugo: he doesn't make secrets of other people's secrets. But at the same time fears that his own confessions might be made public. Therefore, in a confidential, private conversation, ESE makes his companion promise not to reveal his secrets.)" - - Yes.

"Secretive people are not liked in Alpha Quadra. They are not trusted, even a little bit feared - who knows what they have in mind! (This is one of the reasons behind conflicts with introverted negativist type of Gamma Quadra - ESI and ILI, who are inclined to hide and not voice their private thoughts and feelings.). - - Makes sense

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"Beta Quadra hates attacks on their social standing, their rank, position, rights and privileges. They can't stand when their rights and benefits are being challenged, cannot stand familiarity in attitudes of others - in jest or serious. They don't tolerate ridicule that creates false impression of their inability to fend for themselves." - - I've seen this.

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Gamma Quadra is afraid when:
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- when their right to professional and personal fulfillment is challenged.

The latter causes a particularly painful reaction for "forced housewives" - women of Gamma Quadra who are made to stay at home while their husband works and cares for them – often this leads to dissolution of relations and leave of family under any given conditions. - - I noticed my dh's daughter has more interest in her career than I did when I was a Mom, and we give her a lot of support so she can work, which we are happy and blessed to do. I notice that its a different view of parenting than I have (includes "be there all the time"), but have not questioned it, as everyone is different. This helps me understand a reason why; where this comes from.

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Overall, a very interesting, sometimes merciless article, exposing human fears, which we all have, and how we cope with them. .

.. But I am wondering if Stratiyevskaya's type helps explain why Alpha and Beta's descriptions are less than half as long as the Delta's and Gamma?

**Singu** · 01-30-2017, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

"Emotional pressure in Gamma Quadra is considered to be the most cruel form of psychological terror. It is considered to be here an "illegal move", which no one under any circumstances should use."

I found this sentence to be funny... lol.

So basically, to get along with each Quadra members:

Alpha: Never make him shut up
Beta: Never make him feel weak and subservient
Gamma: Never make his hands feel tied up and unable to do meaningful work
Delta: Never make him feel unable to fulfill his potential

**Eliza Thomason** · 11-14-2015, 02:23 AM

Thank you! It looks like its going to be really interesting!

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Doing a quick skim now. Saw this:
"It is difficult for Delta types to live among representatives of other quadra - their demands and expectations are too high and difficult to match. The hardest time they have among orthogonal and opposite to them Beta Quadra, where on mere self-opinion and conceit one does not get far. Neither will they allow one to depart to virtual reality - they will bring him down from the clouds to the ground, push him out as the "weak link", lead him to a monastery as a "sacrifice". "

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BTW, @silke, what type is Stratiyevskaya?

**silke** · 12-10-2015, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

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BTW, @silke, what type is Stratiyevskaya? .. But I am wondering if Stratiyevskaya's type helps explain why Alpha and Beta's descriptions are less than half as long as the Delta's and Gamma?

She types as ESI and writes from a Gamma perspective. Most seem to agree that she belongs in Gamma quadra, as -Fi negativist in SF club she gives plentiful rather specific warnings about relationships drawn from real life examples and experiences.

The types are listed on this page: Wikisocion - Category:Socionists

**Eliza Thomason** · 12-10-2015, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by silke

She types as ESI and writes from a Gamma perspective. Most seem to agree that she belongs in Gamma quadra, as -Fi negativist in SF club she gives plentiful rather specific warnings about relationships drawn from real life examples and experiences.

The types are listed on this page: Wikisocion - Category:Socionists

Thanks so much. It explains why, even though I find it true and interesting what Stratiyevskaya writes, it seems to be coming from some other strange world.

Thanks for the useful link. What Gulenko writes always makes sense to me - not sure if I remember correctly but perhaps LII and IEE have a similar cognitive style. Gulenko may be my favorite. Meged & Ovcharov stuff always strikes home with me, too.

Do you have a favorite, and do you see a favorable relation with your type or cognitive style explaining that?

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P.S. Do you know if Meged is IEE-Fi and Gulenko is SLI-Te? Because that is my guess.

**Jeremy8419** · 12-15-2015, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

Thanks so much. It explains why, even though I find it true and interesting what Stratiyevskaya writes, it seems to be coming from some other strange world.

Thanks for the useful link. What Gulenko writes always makes sense to me - not sure if I remember correctly but perhaps LII and IEE have a similar cognitive style. Gulenko may be my favorite. Meged & Ovcharov stuff always strikes home with me, too.

Do you have a favorite, and do you see a favorable relation with your type or cognitive style explaining that?

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P.S. Do you know if Meged is IEE-Fi and Gulenko is SLI-Te? Because that is my guess.

Gulenko is LII and LII is IEE Supervisor. Supervision rings share the same cognition style.

Stratiyevskaya is usually nearly entirely correct. However, since she is 4D Fi, she is going pretty deep into the nature of humanity and human interactions. Most types will simply brush off what is said as BS, simply because they cannot see that in-depth into the realities of humanity. Her writings are generally accepted, because people understand her type and know that their own simply isn't capable of seeing such on their own.

**Eliza Thomason** · 12-16-2015, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jeremy8419

Gulenko is LII and LII is IEE Supervisor. Supervision rings share the same cognition style.

Stratiyevskaya is usually nearly entirely correct. However, since she is 4D Fi, she is going pretty deep into the nature of humanity and human interactions. Most types will simply brush off what is said as BS, simply because they cannot see that in-depth into the realities of humanity. Her writings are generally accepted, because people understand her type and know that their own simply isn't capable of seeing such on their own.

Okay, that makes sense. I have a LI friend whom I met after reading her writings on Catholicism, a subject dear to me, and what she wrote made a lot of sense, so I followed her. I was surprised to find she was my supervisor, and sort of worried about tension coming into our friendship, but I never saw that. Perhaps Supervision problems come into play only with close relationships/shared lives.

Can you explain 4D Fi??

**The Exception** · 11-14-2015, 08:28 PM

Sounds like I have all of the quadral complexes. Yippee!

**ClownsandEntropy** · 11-29-2015, 12:57 PM

The Closed Mouth complex fits me pretty well! I don't relate to the LII part but definitely the general issues.

**Contra** · 12-09-2015, 12:29 AM

These seem like pretty cool articles. I've been meaning to read them all of the way through. So far the gamma one fits extremely well for me..

**ClownsandEntropy** · 12-09-2015, 11:01 PM

I have casually brought it up with four people and each of them say they aligned to the one I brought them up with.

That's:
1 Alpha
1 Gamma
2 Delta's

So issue is that I don't have any Beta friends. Actually, no, that's a positive in my life (lel). But I think that the subservience fear is the most foolish sounding fear to have, so it will be interesting to see if there's anyone who says "yes that's how I see the world".

As an aside, wouldn't it have made more sense aesthetically to call the second fear "Fear of Bowed Head" or something? You know, keep the body-part motif going.

EDIT: Just change fear for complex

**Delilah** · 02-03-2017, 06:41 AM

"Secretive people are not liked in Alpha Quadra. They are not trusted, even a little bit feared - who knows what they have in mind! (This is one of the reasons behind conflicts with introverted negativist type of Gamma Quadra - ESI and ILI, who are inclined to hide and not voice their private thoughts and feelings.). - - Makes sense

--> in what ways are they inclined to be a) disliked and b)hidden ??

**Delilah** · 02-04-2017, 02:46 AM

socionics is all about life goals imo so makes me wonder what is it about Ti, Ne, Si life goals that makes alpha dislike gamma introverts? like it says ESI are "hidden" according to
maybe a Ti, Ne , Si pointview but when i see ESI this seems far from observation??

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