Hello!

[rien]

Hi everyone! I'm a bit of a long time lurker, but decided to introduce myself today. I'm rien and I am ~80% sure that I'm an Ne INFj. Sometimes I take tests and get INFp, but because I find that too much Fe in my environment can be overwhelming for me, I don't think it's in my ego block.

I first became interested in personality theory after I took an MBTI test in one of my classes about a year ago. Getting the results was a life changing moment for me, because it emphasized many strengths I had that I previously saw as weaknesses to overcome. After digging around for a while, I found socionics and became fascinated with the way that it illustrates the values and functions of each type and analyzes how they interact with each other. I am still in the process of learning the basics though, and often get stuck on dichotomies. I haven't explored the enneagram yet, but I took a test just now and got 9w1.

I'm looking forward to chatting and getting more involved here! Thank you all for having me

[The Exception]

Welcome!

I'm close to your type. I'm most likely LII-Ne but I periodically question that because I have a strong ethical side. I think I'm likely a 9w1 in enneagram as well.

[Sol]

I'm rien and I am ~80% sure that I'm an Ne INFj.

Make a thread with video and we'll say what think.

[Beautiful sky]

Rein welcome

Honestly80% is not enough around here. You gotta crank that up a notch

[ashlesha]

welcome!

[UDP]

ahoy

[rien]

Thanks! It's reassuring to know that some users who have been around for a while are still unsure too about their own types

[rien]

Make a thread with video and we'll say what think.

Thanks for the offer! I'll keep it in mind if the uncertainty starts to drive me crazy

[rien]

Rein welcome

Honestly80% is not enough around here. You gotta crank that up a notch

Thanks! I'm quite sure of my type most of the time. It's just sometimes when I read/hear about something someone says that I relate a lot to, I reconsider my type. I think most often, it's my rampant Ne that gives me a lot of trouble and makes me question whether I am an INFj or ENFp.

[rien]

welcome!

ahoy

Thank you!

[UDP]

Thanks! It's reassuring to know that some users who have been around for a while are still unsure too about their own types

Is it really?

It seems more............. that people's understanding of socionics is not entirely linked to their time around the theory.

Many people have been wrong for a long time, too. Some people are "right" about their type early on, but don't know why. mm.

[rien]

Is it really?

Yes, really! I take it as a sign that the people in this community are continuing to be critical of their own understandings of the theory and of its applications to their own personality. After all, personalities are so complex and fluid.

Even if it were possible that everyone in the world fits neatly into one of 16 objective type descriptions, I feel it is difficult to pinpoint which exact one suits them best because our observations are so subjective and coloured by our own understandings of the world.

Exploring personality theories (or people/personalities in general) would not be as interesting if everything was already easily apparent.

[Sol]

Even if it were possible that everyone in the world fits neatly into one of 16 objective type descriptions

Type is an abstract thing. Concrete behavior has probabilistic nature and there are many factors affecting on the behavior.
Types descriptions are about average case, not about anyone. The aim of the descriptions is to give bright traits and a way to understand wich description is closer. There is no aim a description was 100% accurate for everyone.

I feel it is difficult to pinpoint which exact one suits them best because

Because type itself is a probalistic thing. There are no 100 logics, - all are n% logics and 100-n% ethics. This needs time and observations to understand the typology practically as the difference is not very evident. Intertype relations help a lot to understand own type, just types descriptions are not enough for this often.

[rien]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I think I was a little unclear when I wrote my post. My point was that people are complex and immersed within their own perspectives and experiences, which makes their personalities complex and subjective. I speculated that even if an 'objective' model were developed to determine and analyze personalities, we would likely still have the same difficulties with typing that we are having now because of our subjective and complex nature.

I agree with you that types, personalities, and personality theories are abstract. I see socionics as a theory that organizes ideas about how we value, think, and process things in different and unique ways. As you mentioned, type descriptions are merely predictions and 'averages' of behaviour and will never be 100% true for anyone.

Regardless, I apologize for rambling and getting all philosophical here. This discussion is likely better suited for another category!