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    Maybe Sp/Sx?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftPunk View Post
    Maybe Sp/Sx?
    What does that describe?

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    Is it possible to be just an Sp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Is it possible to be just an Sp?
    No

    You have all three instincts but with different strenght. Persons of the same type (eg. sp/sx) are also different concerning the strenght of their "sp" or "sx"
    So you might be someone with a strong first instinct and a weak second instinct.

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    My spontaneous guess would also be sp/sx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftPunk View Post
    No

    You have all three instincts but with different strenght. Persons of the same type (eg. sp/sx) are also different concerning the strenght of their "sp" or "sx"
    So you might be someone with a strong first instinct and a weak second instinct.
    I don't agree with the unhealthy aspects of Sp for myself I do aggree with the unhealthy aspects of sx. Does that change things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I don't agree with the unhealthy aspects of Sp for myself I do aggree with the unhealthy aspects of sx. Does that change things?
    Not necessarily. I just thought you might be So last and was unsure if Sx/Sp or Sp/sx. which unhealthy aspects do you mean? (source?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftPunk View Post
    Not necessarily. I just thought you might be So last and was unsure if Sx/Sp or Sp/sx. which unhealthy aspects do you mean? (source?)
    In the link that you sent me it lists aspects about each type and among them is an "unhealthy" description

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftPunk View Post
    Not necessarily. I just thought you might be So last and was unsure if Sx/Sp or Sp/sx. which unhealthy aspects do you mean? (source?)
    In the summary section:

    coping methods (unhealthy) - over-stocking, overbuying, overeating, overpurging, oversleeping, undersleeping, overindulging in aesthetics or comfort foods, mistreatment of comfort and security as is skewed by the secondary instinct

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaftPunk View Post
    Not necessarily. I just thought you might be So last and was unsure if Sx/Sp or Sp/sx. which unhealthy aspects do you mean? (source?)
    Also I do not related to the So unhealthy section. I do very strongly relate to this:

    coping methods (unhealthy) - scattered attention, lack of focus, sexual promiscuity, intensely avoiding intense experiences and connections with a fearful and dysfunctional attitude toward sex, intimacy, and other intense "completing" experiences, as is skewed by the secondary instinct

    Not the sexual promiscuity part just being scattered brained. I try to get organized but it's not enough to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I don't agree with the unhealthy aspects of Sp for myself I do agree with the unhealthy aspects of sx. Does that change things?
    https://oceanmoonshine9.wordpress.com/two-stacks/ This might help. I've found it useful to look at the stackings specific for the type.

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    Maritsa for some reason i thought you could be sp-last. you are intense, but don't give off the insular, withdrawn, self-absorbed kind of vibe that i associate with sp/sx. i'm not that great at typing other's instincts though.

    how well do you identify with sx/so and so/sx?

     

    sx/so
    Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.
    This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this sub-variant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this sub-variant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.

    • Expression: intense, outer-focused
    • Energy: intense energy expressed outwards, assertively
    • Behavior: intense, assertive, sultry and aggressive
    • Mindset: "If I can maintain position and inclusion in the group/world, I can keep up and escalate all this merging/intensity."
    • Blind spot: Likely to neglect their desire to build their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and security of place with others for the sake of their primary concern of seeking intense connections and experiences, in average-healthy levels. May not have an awareness of the body's need for food or sleep, or of the need to accumulate wealth for reasons of security, or of the need to manage time or resources to establish an orderly lifestyle.



     

    so/sx
    Motivation: to create lasting connections with those they are interested in - the "best friend."
    This type has very strong one to one social skills, but is usually uncomfortable in group settings. They enjoy cultivating multiple relationships, and can be intensely involved when in the presence of someone they are interested in, but have difficulty sustaining these bonds when apart. This may give the impression of being flighty and rootless, willing to adapt and mirror others in order to connect, but lacking a defined approach that would give their relationships a more solid standing. They may have political interests, but are generally more pragmatic and less partisan than the other social variant. They are often attuned to pop culture and the latest trends.

    • Expression: bright smiley, intense expression
    • Energy: outward energy expressed intensely, broadly
    • Behavior: bright, smiley, erratic and scattered
    • Mindset: "If I can get close to people with merging/intensity, I can make sure of and keep improving my position and inclusion in the group/world."
    • Blind spot: Likely to neglect their desire to seek intense connections and experiences for the sake of their primary concern of building their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and security of place with others, in average-healthy levels. May not have an awareness of the body's need for food or sleep, or of the need to accumulate wealth for reasons of security, or of the need to manage time or resources to establish an orderly lifestyle.
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    my gut reaction was sp-last and maybe sx/so, but after seeing the sp/sx responses i started second guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    my gut reaction was sp-last and maybe sx/so, but after seeing the sp/sx responses i started second guessing.
    No, think sx first actually makes sense. Just because someone needs and wants stability doesn't mean they make it a priority to create it (or are particularly good at it). I thought sp first because Maritsa seems to want stability, but I think sx first would explain the type of intensity she has. I would probably say sx/sp > sx/so.
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    So the question becomes whether it is sx or so first right?

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    Sorry I meant sp

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    Ok after considering it it is sp/sx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    No, think sx first actually makes sense. Just because someone needs and wants stability doesn't mean they make it a priority to create it (or are particularly good at it). I thought sp first because Maritsa seems to want stability, but I think sx first would explain the type of intensity she has. I would probably say sx/sp > sx/so.
    May not seem that way on the net. I don't feel that that is reality

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    @Maritsa if you're sp/sx, do you think the descriptions of sp/sx's direction of energy and Contra-flow fits?

    Flow of Instinctual Energies & Compatibility

    When we invest our energy, most of it is devoted to fulfillment of our primary instinct. The remaining energy radiates or flows onto the secondary instinct and finally onto the last instinct, which receives the smallest share. There are two possible configurations or directions for this flow. In first configuration, energy is invested in the order of sx→sp→so→sx. This direction gives rise to three stackings: sx/sp, sp/so, so/sx. In the second configuration, energy is invested in the order of sx→so→sp→sx, which gives rise to the other three stackings: sx/so, so/sp and sp/sx.

    Syn-flow: sp → so → sx → sp
    Stackings involved: sp/so → so/sx → sx/sp → sp/so
    Direction: Compelled toward people. Acting upon and with others as a born insider i.e.- deeply human.

    Contra-flow: sp → sx → so → sp
    Stackings involved: sp/sx → sx/so → so/sp → sp/sx
    Direction: Compelled against people. Seething belligerent outsiders; 'antisocial', provoking, reverse-flow change catalysts. In some profound sense, rejecting the human condition, their own and/or that of others.

    The two flows move in the opposite directions. This antithesis can be seen if the instinctual stackings are compared in pairs:

    so/sx - including, associating, affiliating, networking, incorporating, interconnecting, introducing, unifying, linking, bonding, annexing, cooperating, receiving
    sx/so - excluding, eliminating, dividing, separating, contradicting, subverting, confronting, rebuffing, ridiculing, challenging, interrupting, reforming, rupturing

    sx/sp - intensifying, escalating, rising, surging, enlivening, invigorating, accelerating, stimulating, energizing, vitalizing, reviving, animating, inspiriting
    sp/sx - dulling, calming, quieting, grounding, descending, lowering, dampening, numbing, desensitizing, exhausting, deadening, extinguishing, making still

    sp/so - conserving, protecting, maintaining, preserving, supplying, repairing, sustaining, stewarding
    so/sp - utilizing, employing, implementing, expending, exercising, spending, capitalizing, expropriating

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    You actively involve yourself in other people's lives very frequently, and you constantly express these interactions on the forums. You're always talking about these two people you know in a relationship, or someone who's having issues with a coworker, or something along those lines. I can't imagine an sp/sx would either instinctively care so much about the well-being of their acquaintanceship or broadcast your observations about these relationships to strangers on the internet.

    I stand by so/sx for you on that basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    You actively involve yourself in other people's lives very frequently, and you constantly express these interactions on the forums. You're always talking about these two people you know in a relationship, or someone who's having issues with a coworker, or something along those lines. I can't imagine an sp/sx would either instinctively care so much about the well-being of their acquaintanceship or broadcast your observations about these relationships to strangers on the internet.

    I stand by so/sx for you on that basis.
    I found a post from you a long time ago sp/sx. I agree with that one. I observe people's interactions and use their example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I found a post from you a long time ago sp/sx. I agree with that one. I observe people's interactions and use their example
    What do you mean by this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    What do you mean by this?
    I found a post where you typed me sp/sx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I found a post where you typed me sp/sx
    That post was wrong, you are not sp/sx. Absolutely so > sx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    That post was wrong, you are not sp/sx. Absolutely so > sx
    I don't agree with the unhealthy aspects

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    That post was wrong, you are not sp/sx. Absolutely so > sx
    I will wait a year and consider it and maybe your mind will change again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Ok after considering it it is sp/sx
    do you relate to this after all then? i.e. when you are feeling stressed are you over-supplying for yourself and your loved ones?


    SP-first coping methods (unhealthy) - over-stocking, overbuying, overeating, overpurging, oversleeping, undersleeping, overindulging in aesthetics or comfort foods, mistreatment of comfort and security as is skewed by the secondary instinct

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    Maritsa is most definitely sx first. Not sp...

    She's super in your face and firey for an EII. She mostly talks about her relationships, and she's always looking for love if she's not already with someone. She also seems like she's a passionate person.
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    I guess I'm sx first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I guess I'm sx first
    I'd say sx/so for you. You're similar to Amber in the way that you are quite assertive and forceful with your typings of a wide range of people. You're not as bitchy or mean as her in that ESI way (not all the time at least), but there are underlying similarities in the level of enthusiasm you both have about this stuff...

    sx/so

    Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.

    This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this sub-variant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this sub-variant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.

    Expression: intense, outer-focused

    Energy: intense energy expressed outwards, assertively
    Behavior: intense, assertive, sultry and aggressive
    Mindset: "If I can maintain position and inclusion in the group/world, I can keep up and escalate all this merging/intensity."


    Blind spot: Likely to neglect their desire to build their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and security of place with others for the sake of their primary concern of seeking intense connections and experiences, in average-healthy levels. May not have an awareness of the body's need for food or sleep, or of the need to accumulate wealth for reasons of security, or of the need to manage time or resources to establish an orderly lifestyle.
    A lot of this applies to you from what I've seen.

    I could also see sp as a blind spot for you. I remember you saying that you have difficulty remembering to feed yourself & stuff.
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    I'll reread everything here and discuss it with my cousin. No decision yes

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    Anyway... I think the enneagramm is a quite helpful tool. Nevertheless I think instincts are not the most beneficial parts of the enneagramm. I for myself feel all three instincts in me even though one might be stronger than the other. If I observe other people I come to the conclusion that people who I consider average to healthy don't have a very evident "inferior" instinct.

    But that's just my opinion on the subject and I know almost all gurus would probably disagree.

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    This is not apropos of Maritsa's type, but about syn- and contra-flow. How does it make sense that approximately half of humanity are "seething, belligerent outsiders"? I don't think society would function* that were the case. Or are these descriptions supposed to be hyperbolic?

    *You can argue that society doesn't function very well, and I won't disagree, but by definition, I don't see how such a large percentage of people can be seen as outsiders. Look around at all the sheeple.

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