Even though everyone will say Morticia is ESI, I think a lot of episodes show an INTp-ESFp dynamic between Morticia (ILI) and Gomez (SEE).
Gomez tells Morticia that she "was so beautiful, pale, and mysterious. No one even looked at the corpse."
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Lot of horny ppl on this site these days.
"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
"Something inexpressively lovely and wonderful advances through the crystal, nearer, nearer. And, oh, inexpressively terrifying. For if it were to touch you, if it were to seize you and engulf you, you'd die; all the regular, habitual daily part of you would die … one would have to begin living arduously in the quiet, arduously in some strange, unheard of manner."
Female Aggressor/Male Victim interaction is strong with those two.
none of these make me think gamma.
except the cat woman batman stuff, but that seems more intra quadra
No wonder this is the only Batman movie I thought was any good. I haven't seen this movie for years, but I remember one scene very well.
It is after she is betrayed by her boss and is thrown out of her apartment window. And returns, transformed.
I've seen that face, at 1:33 to 1:44
I notice a lot of LIE-ESI examples but few ILI-SEE examples. What's the difference between those dyads? How would one tell them apart? On the face of it they're both victim-aggressor pairings but what is the difference between how LIE-ILI play victim and ESI-SEE play aggressor?
SisOfNight, girl just up and kisses the ILI hard then just brushes it off like it isn't a big deal. Yeah, I wouldn't mind that. And @uncivilized I can see Haruhi being SEE. Kyon doesn't really admit it but he likes her eccentric attention and all the craziness she brings into his life. I wonder what type you think Yuki Nagato is. She was always on of my favorite characters in that show. Severely introverted yet really cute, I'd date her in a heartbeat .
Sis, I think Laurie is Delta, probably LSE. I wanted to like her in the movie, but found there was nothing there.
Best ILI/SEE duals of all time... Ricky and Julian from Trailer Park Boys, lmao.
someday the grapes will be wine
and someday you will be mine
EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx
Obviously the NT is the robot ;p
Yeah I first took it as obvious aggressor/victim but the robot thing threw me off. He's hurting her incidentally because of his robot parts which I don't think is how aggressor /victim works. I wonder how @SisOfNight saw it.
That metal snake penis though.
He is an Aggressor in the way he obviously cuts and hurts her. It is Pseudo, because he is not doing so deliberately; the cutting is a result of his condition of which he has had no control over. This fact makes his state Victim-ish deep down. It is like the Robot who got created to hurt people, but in actuality does not want to. His outer shell is very "aggressive" in the way it easily cuts others, but on the inside he seems to be the true Victim of his condition. Hence Pseudo-Aggressor (likely LIE)...
The woman may seem Victim at first glance, but I could see her actually being the ESI Aggressor. ESI is the "least" Aggressor of them all; but the way she is taking all the cuts and bruises while still "going for it", suggests she may be more "Aggressive" than she lets on. Notice how she has put her right arm on his shoulder, as to make him lean in to her. He is holding her, but I find there is a lack of true aggressive pull/force on his part for him to be a "real" Aggressor. His gaze is also not piercing or possessive, but rather contemplative and maybe even hesitant to some degree.
Also, the woman is totally bare, naked, and her body language suggests she is open to his advances, no matter how much it may hurt. She is taking some pleasure in this.
For some reason, this reminded me of the tough and delicate interplay of Gamma interactions; in regard to Pseudo-Aggressors with Aggressors, and the Fi ego type laying bare emotionally, so that the NT with his underdeveloped Feeling can dare to be more "open" themselves...
In relation to "real-life": Gamma NTs are prone to develop this aggressive outer shell (often out of guarding their vulnerable Feeling, often because they have been hurt by others in the past, aka "I am this way not because I want to, but because others made me to"), which tends to cut people not brave/strong enough. It is only the Gamma SFs who truly "get" it, are not afraid and overlook that shell to delve into the core of the person.
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oh good, i'm not crazy. thank you
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