How can someone with inferior Se or otherwise develop it?
By "Se" I mean Extroverted Sensing.
I'm an INTp / ILI.
How to develop Se
How can someone with inferior Se or otherwise develop it?
By "Se" I mean Extroverted Sensing.
I'm an INTp / ILI.
There was a thread about this recently (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ngthen-your-Se) and another not-so-recently (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ng-for-Se-PoLR).
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
this reminds me of that 'secret life of walter mitty' movie.
Well, since your Se suggestive, everytime you sorta wanna do something or think you should but dont have the willpower to get yourself to do it... just do it anyway. Hilariously enough, it is the only way you can.
Practice makes perfect. If your Se sucks, its because you dont do it enough. Good luck Ni base user, your life will now be an existential crisis.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Develop Si first, so that your physical health and memory for sensory details is reliable. Then use Ni to envision a goal in mind, ignore any distractions (the realm of Ne) and take appropriate action (Se). The key is really Si, the role function for all types is a limiting factor in the development of the inferior function (dual-seeking function).
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For all those who truly understand what you are saying here about socionics, I thank-you.Originally Posted by Pookie
I dont even know if we're thinking the same thing, but if my life advice has reached the level of sardonic satire... well I think I can say ive won at something in life.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
No way take credit where credit is due!
Se develops when you respond to the most striking aspects of the environment, firstly by looking at them. eg a bird flying over head. Turning your head as it appears, following its trajectory as it moves, moving your own body to stay in sight of it. If it's close, reaching out and touching it. Feeling the sensations internally will develop Si too, but it's hard to concentrate on both aspects at once unless the outer stimuli is perfectly in sync with the inner. So to develop Se specifically, it would help to ignore your inner reactions, including any pain and pleasure. Keep your focus external, and try to modify your inner preferences to be compatible with the external forms.
So, I'm supposed to keep myself totally detached from the inner world and try to become a passive observer of my own body? Or perhaps I'm supposed to just try and turn my brain off and allow my body free reign? Both sound rather difficult if not impossible. Can you put what you're saying in a different way that's more understandable/feasible?
By chasing experiences around. That's what Se is ultimately about: about acquiring stuff. Not only material, mind you. Here is how you strengthen your Se(it's not that you should, just act as you do):
STOP BEING PASSIVE! BECOME ACTIVE!
(and active active, not even reactive will do ie INITIATE stuff)
No don't detach from your inner world totally (that's not possible anyway), just stay with the real object moment by moment without giving undue attention to changes in your inner world. Don't let your mind wander too much, don't go extrapolating on the meaning of what you're seeing and hearing, etc. just experience it, moment by moment. The greater external focus will help you judge your inner reactions more accurately, distinguishing between true physical responses (Si) from what is merely imaginative extrapolation (Ni), making it much easier to take appropriate action (Se). Also, to the same end, avoid making imaginative leaps in conversations or in decision making, stick to the facts, to the literal, use your senses to verify everything down to the last detail. Put more faith in physical evidence than in likely possibilities.
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I see, that's gonna be quite difficult as myreally likes to kick in whenever it gets the chance but I can give it a shot
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The plus side of doing this even for a little while is it'll make yourI see, that's gonna be quite difficult as my
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Physical training. Manual work with forms. Painting.
Pffffft. Any easier ways?
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
1. Fight or flight.
2. Generate explosive emotions.
3. Spin in circles till you're dizzy then run around the house trying not to hit anything very hard
3. Play fight with people (physically)
4. Drink coffee and Watch kung fu movies, preferably Jackie Chan.
5. Go to the shooting range
6. Go to the gym
7. Get mad
8. Do cart wheels
9. Turn on loud music and jump around
10. Have some sex's
11. Let yourself really really really want something, then go get it
12. Look at yourself in the mirror, stare into your eyes, and ask yourself, who am i? Be honest with yourself, what do i want, what makes me strong.
13. Do annoying things like bang on the table at dinner time
14. Get mad when people tell you what to do
15. Tell people what to do
16. Walk around scratching your back on any angular surfaces
17. Say everything that you think (avoid thinking really hard)
18. Demand that people hear your opinion
Lastly,
Yell really loudly.
I recommend only starting out with 5 minutes a day at first. Your tender heart probably needs time to adjust.
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And claim everything in your environment..preferable not to pee on everything, but if that's what it take, go pee in the yard. Do it.
People with the most se unfortunately don't use ni. There's a reason you're needed. But yeah when ni kicks in, you doin it wrongI see, that's gonna be quite difficult as my
Problem is it can't not kick in. The program function cannot be suppressed or denied. Especially if your subtype favors it. It's omnipresent, it always activates. This could be a good thing as, ifdom types don't use it then it's a good thing people like me do and they apparently like it enough to pursue us. One researcher said a humorous scene is an
Just putting that out there. God, this'd be so much easier if I was a girl.
Hmm. Guys who don't let me prey on them get friend zonedProblem is it can't not kick in. The program function cannot be suppressed or denied. Especially if your subtype favors it. It's omnipresent, it always activates. This could be a good thing as, if
Just putting that out there. God, this'd be so much easier if I was a girl
You can use other stuff other than ni. Just like i can choose to not think about my personal sentiments.
This
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
And this
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
How do you separate the "chaff" from the "wheat" as it were? I mean, I'm the mirror of your dual here. I look similar, talk similar, and even think in similar terms. Yet my dual is your mirror. How do you tell the two apart? How do you zero in on my mirror when I'm still right there? These relations, so easy to make a grave error. How do you know that you've hit the jackpot? We can both easily fuck up here and if @Adam Strange and his experience has any weight we'd both ultimately make each other unhappy somehow. We were so close! Yet so very far away from the Nirvana of duality...
And the friend zone, how do you go about that? Inquiring minds wish to know. I'm sure I'm an E5 so yeah, feed me info, I can't not like that. I need to know... What went wrong?
To be honest, I'm hardly looking for a relationship. Even if i were, it would be with someone i already had known for a while and liked a lot. So, separating the two isn't significant in that way to me. I hardly prefer LIE over ILI to begin with. For instance, LIE is more combative. In that way, ILIs can be easier to get along with.
That said, the difference isn't that hard. LIEs react quicker and offer up more information. ILIs seem more avoidant. Their judgments about relations are more thought out but they are easier to persuade. LIEs have a sensitivity to social groups. They'll go out of their way to tell people what to do if it disrupts what they think is appropriate, especially if they think someone else in the group that they respect thinks they should. ILIs have duals that are ti polr. So they might criticize someone for acting out, they don't really care. They criticize activities and LIEs criticize logic. ILIs just direct the logic and are more likely to direct (help people) with thinking while LIEs are more likely to help people with which activities are better. ILIs might say "don't do that, it's a waste of time while LIEs say. "if you're looking for the best way, do this thing).
As for the friend zone, all people get friend zoned by me eventually. Generally by being too pushy and ignoring my preferences. I'm very direct so if i want something I'll say so. Also, i want to be the one to control my relationships. Sometimes the person does nothing wrong and I'm just bored.
I know plenty of duals and activity partners. Duality isn't overrated. It's blissful. But activity is just as good to me. But I'm not speaking about relationships I'm speaking about friendships. I'm genuinely pleased when i talk to the gamma nt's because they almost always teach me something i would have never learned on my own.
I see. That actually makes sense. I never much gave a damn about what people thought they were doing, but anytime I detect a mismatch between "what they want" and "what they're doing" I get very annoyed. They're wasting their time at best and working counter to their own stated interests/goals at worst. The latter is what really friggin' annoys me. Working counter to your own stated purpose not only wastes time, it's an embodiment/form of stupidity. I am not one to suffer fools lightly. Do what ya want, but if you want X please put in the time to research how to acquire it. It'll save you a lot of time and effort, and isn't that something we all like? Not having to spend as much time and effort to get what we want?
Be more impulsive, less anxious. You have to stop doing what you naturally do, stop anticipating and following your vision.
Enjoy the present, each breath, each smell, taste. Leave your subjective realm and deal with what's in front of you.
Make decisions that you wouldn't make, experience ans seek the thrill of the moment. Appreciate the physical form of things around you, try to push yourself beyond your limits.
Don't give up on your dreams, fight for them even if you have to die for them.
This is very ILI.
Why thank you
Haha good list, but, this one sounds more Fi than Se.
How do you choose to stop focusing on your Fi base? I find I can let go of the Ti focus for a second here and there (Fe instead then) but I'm instantly "pulled back" to Ti.
Yeah I find IEI's have that advantage, easier to dominate them
Easier way to get there: when you think of the thing you want to do, remind yourself that it will not get real if you don't do anything. Let yourself taste how it feels when you focus on it being real. Let the desire come up from that and then you go and do it.
Can you tell me in the same fashion how that works for Ti/Fe?The plus side of doing this even for a little while is it'll make your
Also, Yoga came to my mind. Would Yoga be Se or Si?
I don't know, it might be more practical to get an Ni out of his head than to tell him to focus. Just do it > Thinking about it. Thinking stagnates action for us in general.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
The focus is an Se focus, it is not thinking or ruminating at all, it is this clear focus where you have the real world as tangible around you. Where things matter for real. And that's what supports the strong desire for action essentially. I guess it's hard to explain :|
...it's also possible my advice would be more useful for Se HA
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