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    Close Encounter of the Fourth Subtype.


    Published 6 October 2014 | By Bernadette Schmitt



    About two years after starting our research, having examined several hundred clinical cases according to our energy-based method, we realized that in what we define as sexual subtypes, emerges two very characterized aspects, a more masculine and the other more feminine. We agreed to named them Mars and Venus in reference to the symbolism of these gods of Greek Antiquity. Sexual Mars subtype appears as an aggressive, combative, competitive, energetic, anxious and obsessive individual, and sexual Venus subtype as someone charming, charismatic, compassionate, dependent and abandonic.

    The best keywords we have found for this sexual Venus subtype, we owe to Irini Rockwell, disciple of renowned Tibetan Buddhist teacher, Chögyam trungpa, who the first, in the 1970s revealed to the American public the fabulous system of the five Wisdom Families (Vajra, Ratna, Péma, Karma, Bouddha), then reserved for the practitioners during the famous traditional three-year retreats. Few texts are devoted to their study. Key words we give you here concern the Wisdom Family Padma/Lotus, which, according to our research, fully corresponds to the fourth subtype Venus.

    Positive aspects:

    Compassion, love, affection, kindness, intuition, openness of heart, contact, harmony, empathy, kindness, affability, sweetness, charm, delicacy, refined taste, finesse, love of art and beauty, artistry, loving state, romance, seduction, magnetism, charisma, attractiveness, sensitivity, sensuality, pleasure, intimacy, purity, pristinity.

    Negative aspects :

    Desire and obsessive attachment. burning, all-consuming and destructive Passion. Desire to please. Great need for love. Need for intimacy, fusion, attention. Excessive dependence. He lives in the eyes of the other. Intense heartache. Feels lack cruelly. Feelings of abandonment, separation, isolation, loss, desolation. Depression. Melancholy. Emotional instability and credulity. Frivolity. Lust. Erotomania. Perversion. Manipulation. Hysteria.

    “Passion: the desire to feel
    healthy activities: magnetize, communicate
    neurotic activity: fantasizing, manipulate
    Emotions: Passion, desire to merge
    sense of failure: feel incomplete, lonely and depressed
    defence mechanisms: desire to please
    fears: boredom, mediocrity, reject
    Quality: compassion
    Wisdom[I]: discriminating awareness (i.e. What is good for themselves and the other in the relationship)”

    Wisdom family: Padma

    “Padma, literally means “lotus flower.” The symbol of the enlightened padma family is the lotus, which grows and blooms in the mud, yet still comes out pure and clean, virginal and clear.Padma neurosis is connected with passion, a grasping quality and a desire to possess. We are completely wrapped up in desire and want only to seduce the world, without concern for real communication.A person with padma neurosis speaks gently, fantastically gently, and he or she is seemingly very sexy, kind, magnificent, and completely accommodating.When padma neurosis is transmuted, it become fantastically precise and aware; it turns into tremendous interest and inquisitiveness. Everything is seen in its own distinct way with its own particular qualities and characteristics. Thus the wisdom of padma is called discriminating-awareness wisdom” (Chögyam Trungpa, Journey without a goal).

    The core vital sensation of Pema Family/Venus subtype is isolation.”In reaction, we generate the compulsion to consummate, and to cling to the comforting proximity of people, places, things and ideas. We find our world to be an emotional desert and attempt to crowd out our loneliness by indiscriminately grabbing at the experience of union with any focus of our fleeting attention. We misinterpret the discovery of isolation/separation as the need to unify as quickly as possible with further and yet further focuses of seductive proximity.”[ii]

    There is a real risk of confusing the emotional types (2, 3, 4) and specialy the type 4 of the Enneagram, described as a romantic, but also enneatype 6, specialy the sexuel 6 (Force beauty) with this fourth subtype.

    You can see more in EM, issue 200 : “The birth of Venus, or Close encounter of the Fouth Type ”

    Some famous cases of Sexual/Venus : Maryline Monroe, Brigitte Bardot, Laetitia Casta, Isabelle Adjani, Rudolf Noureev, etc…

    [i] Irini Rockwell, The Five Wisdom Energies. Shamballa Publications.

    [ii] Ngak’chang Rinpoche & Khandro Déchen, Embracing Emotions as the Path, http://arobuddhism.org.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    Desire and obsessive attachment. burning, all-consuming and destructive Passion. Desire to please. Great need for love. Need for intimacy, fusion, attention. Excessive dependence. He lives in the eyes of the other. Intense heartache. Feels lack cruelly. Feelings of abandonment, separation, isolation, loss, desolation. Depression. Melancholy. Emotional instability and credulity. Frivolity. Lust. Erotomania. Perversion. Manipulation. Hysteria.
    Sometimes I question if I'm this subtype first because I relate to stuff like this so strongly... Though, I may just suffer from attachment issues and fear of abandonment.
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    Can't you just create these gender divides for each instinct? Gender plays a pretty big impact in how a type manifests.
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    Male SP: The breadwinner, brings home the bacon

    Female SP: The homemaker.

    Male SO: The business manager, aspiring CEO

    Female SO: Hmmm, maybe the feminist? Or on the other side of the coin the town gossip?

    Yay for gender stereotypes!
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    You did it! War is over!
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    It's just assertive vs. compliant IMO. No need to make up new instincts that make no sense. This might help people figure out if they have an assertive or complaint type that look similar though.

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    The idea of gender is limiting. This is the same as the male/female sociotype descriptions, trying to fit something into two tiny boxes that aren't needed and nowhere near reality.

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