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    Psyche Yoga was first created by Alexander Afanasyev to effectively describe human nature to basic and evident axioms, understanding how people have preferences in their physical, mental, emotional and personal realms, which have a substantial impact on themselves and the world around them. The relationship between the conscious and subconscious is a unique and fascinating area of ​​psychology.The very essence of yoga is to passively awaken the subconscious, to make the unobserved areas of your mind, active and conscious. A psychologically self-limited subconscious, maintains bodily functions unconsciously at a predetermined level from the beginning. Therefore, Psyche-Yoga was designed to be a typology system that focused solely on the "self" and it's psychological preferences, ignoring sociological and environmental factors that can develop a personality type; while PY types only focused on the individual and who they are, at their core.

    Aspects:



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    Emotional State - “Soul”: The attitude to emotional reactions, feelings and experiences, as well intuitive premonition, the cultural and artistic side of life. (painting, music, movies - everything where emotions play a leading role).


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    Willpower - “Spirit/Character”: The attitude to personal energy, willpower, power, decisiveness, confidence, desires, adherence to goals and overcoming obstacles, self-consciousness towards other people and to the world in general. Self-control, responsibility and obligations.

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    Logical State - “Mind”: The attitude to all logical thinking, analysis, knowledge, erudition, as well as opinions, proof, arguments, the search for truth and scientific research for the meaning of life.


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    Physical State - “Body”:
    The attitude to all material things; looks, food, ownership, money, reproduction, comfort, physical care and practical skills which are all specific physical actions.

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    First function:

    The Proactive or Dogmatic functions are characterized as result oriented, having excess knowledge of the particular aspect and normally speak in monologues when talking about the aspect. Confidence, hardness, stiffness, caution and independence are key words to describe the attitude the person has towards the aspect of the first function.

    [1V] First Willpower: Tendency to proactively take responsibility for their own and others actions. A driven person motivated to lead, carry the heavy load and push projects forward. Very good at overcoming odds, working towards achieving their goals and knowing what they want. Does not take the will and desires of others into account. They excel at leadership, yet they are bad at teamwork, believing that the only way to get a job done well is by doing it yourself. Unable to adequately compromise their own wishes or desires, making them appear rather undiplomatic at times.
    [1E] First Emotion: Naturally fluctuates between emotional states and spices up everyday life for themselves and others. Done through an active meeting with their world with a real enthusiasm or passion in their own personal endeavors thereby always acting authentic to their own feelings. They will often act unfiltered on their own emotions, not taking into account the positions or emotional effect their behavior has on others. Can have a tendency to overdramatise a situation and not dealing with things in a level-headed way, thereby blowing them out of proportion and escalating conflicts.
    [1L] First Logic: A know-it-all. Readily and confidently provides clear and unambiguous answers and opinions. They are steady, reliable sources of information and excel at giving closure to otherwise uncertain ideas and thoughts from a solid and strong framework. Dogmatic and inflexible in their opinions. Consider that their own ideas are right by default and those of others are inferior. Has a very hard time admitting to mistakes and can pull up an arrogant and unapproachable facade. Will often dismiss ideas not fitting their own thoughts instantly without giving them the consideration they require.
    [1F] First Physics: Has a strong idea of their material wants/needs and the state of their physical selves. Combined with a natural sense of ownership and knowing just what they need to enjoy life. Hyper aware of how something makes them feel (physically) and actively take steps to pursue the positive states while avoiding the negative. Overly materialistic and superficial in their approach. Focused on their own pleasure and material needs, which can make them rather greedy and egoistic, and disinclined to share anything. Can also appear lazy and spoiled, by being unwilling to change or make any compromises in their lifestyle.

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    Second function:

    The Diplomatic functions are characterized as process oriented, having normative knowledge of the particular aspect and normally speak in dialogues when talking about the aspect. Flexibility, fearlessness, assurance, pity and compromisation are key words to describe the attitude the person has towards the aspect of the second function.

    [2V] Second Willpower: Makes sure the wishes and desires of everyone are taken into account and negotiates compromises to avoid anyone being overseen or left behind. Very inclined to work with others to achieve the best possible results for everyone involved and finding the fairest solutions. Ability to take responsibility where needed, without overstepping boundaries. Can start discussions about what to do on every subject, which will slow down the actual decision making process considerably and can lead to nothing being done at all.
    [2E] Second Emotion: Able to act as the setting requires, and empathically takes into account the feelings of everyone while providing space for others to express themselves and live out their own emotions. Has a very good understanding of the mood and can actively adjust their own feelings to match it or manipulate it to fit others without ever losing control or being emotionally inappropriate. Their love for emotional games and prodding in the emotions of others can lead to hostile reactions, due to overstepping emotional boundaries.
    [2L] Second Logic: Open minded in the traditional sense of the word and able to freely discuss everything while listening and accepting the opinions and ideas of others, giving them the reflection and thought required. Completely able to tactfully convince the other party of their ideas, while also openly admitting to their own mistakes, thereby enlightening the world. They may endlessly discuss ideas without reaching any kind of constructive conclusion and naturally over complexify an otherwise simple subject.
    [2F] Second Physics: Able to show others the beauty and pleasures of life, making them enjoy the finer aspects of it. Altruistic people and material caregivers providing actively for the comfort of others, making sure that the other party is never left wanting for anything. They seek to freely share their own resources, while simultaneously always being open to help others. However, they can endlessly improve their material conditions, which in turn leads to nowhere.

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    Third function:

    The Insecure functions are characterized as process oriented, having limited knowledge of the particular aspect and normally speak in dialogues when talking about the aspect. Envy, timidity, doubt, flexibility and compromisation are key words to describe the attitude the person has towards the aspect of the third function.

    [3V] Third Willpower: Nonconformist tendencies and actively (Though not necessarily directly) questions authority, preventing hasty or rushed decisions that have not been properly thought through. Strong knowledge of what they do not want. Flexible in their goals and desires, and are able to change these. Attentive to power dynamics and status, yet refuse to take responsibility for their own situation, viewing themselves as passive victims of their circumstances. Despite having a certain awareness of their goals, they lack the will to implement them. This makes them very quick to give up and they will quickly change course if the opposition is met. Has a hard time refusing authority, but will often not act in agreement with what they may previously said yes to, making them seem unpredictable.
    [3E] Third Emotion: Questions emotional displays as well as their appropriateness in given situations. Encourages grounded, level-headed decision making and actively avoids emotional extremes or dramatic escalations. Remaining sceptical pathos and emotional manipulation. Often actively hides or suppresses their emotional states and are worried about others reactions to them. Because of this emotional suppression, they are prone to being trapped in negative emotional states, without actively knowing how to process them. They are afraid of strong emotional expression as they associate that with a loss of control, and can demand such to be kept to a minimum in their environment. The high emotional self-control also causes problems in personal relationships, as they will have trouble “letting go”.
    [3L] Third Logic: Ability to remain sceptical of most conclusions and question what is otherwise established as facts as well as the status quo of accepted knowledge. Seeing methods of value beyond commonly accepted reason that may fit the real world better. Using them to reach conclusions that illustrate mistakes in the reasoning of others or the commonly accepted. Due to doubts about their own intellectual capabilities, they are afraid to present or discuss their ideas, often living in paranoia of criticism. Are likely to refuse what they are told based on their own opinions about the matter despite all the evidence or reason seemingly pointing against their point of view. Not attentive to the logic of others and may twist or misrepresent arguments or ideas they’ve heard through their own language rather than how they were initially presented.
    [3F] Third Physics: Avoids burdening others with their needs and desires and likewise avoids spending money or energy unnecessarily on meaningless endeavours. Looks for constant improvement of their physical state while being very attentive to flaws or lacking within the material/physical realm. Can often be a vain perfectionist who is constantly unsatisfied with their own looks and conditions. Can often overlook problems in their own physical conditions due to the wish to not impose this area unto others. May have specific tastes or preferences such as wishing for wealth, but they are unable to put any work into actually fulfilling their desires themselves, making it seem like they need to be pampered. Very prone to jealousy and may feel a sense of ownership over their partner.

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    Fourth function

    The Reactive or Submissive functions are characterized as result oriented, having poor knowledge of the particular aspect and normally speak in monologues when talking about the aspect. Indifference, uncertainty, unreliability, hardness and dependence are key words to describe the attitude the person has towards the aspect of the fourth function.
    [4V] Fourth Willpower: Very compliant and reliable. Puts harmony over their own desires which makes them easy to get along with, as they generally will adjust to the wishes of others, creating a positive relation to them while avoiding conflict. Good at giving new experiences and endeavours a chance. Very dependent on others and are often indecisive, making them unable to make their own choices. Somewhat irresponsible and will actively avoid positions of responsibility at all times if possible.
    [4E] Fourth Emotion: Great ability to deal with and adapt to emotional extremes while remaining grounded and accepting of them, without losing their calm. Arranging their own emotions according to what is being expressed, rather than what they feel themselves which makes them able to easily accept strong personal expressions of others. Indifferent to their own feelings and generally pays no heed or attention to them. May not experience emotions naturally, but confuse those with physical reactions. Can appear very cold, detached or uninvested due to the emotional devaluing.
    [4L] Fourth Logic: Open to different points of view and explanations, and using the logic of others to understand their own life without necessarily being personally committed to a point of view or model of explanation. Likewise able to cut short a conversation or discussion if clear answers are not being driven from it. Intellectually dependent and can need the guidance of others to figure things out. May present claims without the necessary reason or rationalizations behind them, as they deem these of lesser importance. May base their knowledge on trusted authorities rather than who has the better arguments.
    [4F] Fourth Physics: Able to figuratively live anywhere under any kind of physical conditions without any complaints. No need for or strong attachments to material pleasures and no strong attachment to their material possessions and they do not require much diversity in sensory pleasure. Easily satisfied, yet only hindered by an inability to take care of themselves. No patience for physical endeavours. No idea about preferences in the physical/material world. Only has habits to go from when making evaluations about material linking, thus being quite conservative or unknowing in their tastes.
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    Been looking into this a bit more, seems pretty neat. Settling on EVFL for myself
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    I want to see somatic & cerebral narcissism related to this. http://samvak.tripod.com/journal21.html logic = cerebral narc, physical = somatic narc? Are logic & body in PY in an opposing, zero-sum type, antithetical relation? Does higher body mean lower logic & vice versa?

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    Yeah reading those i think FVEL might be it for me.

    EDIT: Sexta 6 seems to fit well too vs the others
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    @Megane you have made typology fun for me again. I did both the tests and got EVLF and compared to your translations I think EVLF suits me better than any of the others but I don't have the very social thing going on. When I am social it is more personalized to the person I am interacting with and not a diffuse state. I can also vibe with Sexta 1.


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    EVLF (Ghazali)

    [1E] First Emotion: Characteristically romantic, EVLFs maintain an emotional perception of the world. This makes them more prone to strong feelings, causing them to charm and delight themselves and others. Moreover, EVLFs are excellent at brightening the emotions of others by gathering around people, uniting them emotionally. EVLFs have a very peculiar sense of beauty, which is sometimes difficult to explain to others, because the beauty that they perceive is often disembodied and abstract. They desire “masterpieces” in beauty and art, which they treasure with a special love for artistic text that are based on miracles, and not on the absolute power of the material world. Most people of this type tend to restrain their negative emotions, because they understand the risk of feedback from others, which only magnifies the negative emotions even more.

    [2E] Second Willpower: EVLFs perceive people primarily as potential partners in business, whose creativity and opinions deserve respect and should be listened to. EVLFs initiate activity when they want to be active, and never push themselves. EVLFs normally believe that punishment should be used as an incentive, to be used as little as possible, and ideally to even not be used at all or only in exceptional cases. EVLFs also do not understand the skepticism of others, in which they might accidentally advance a project that leads to negative results and loss. At the same time, it follows the principle of “Better alone than with anyone” and will not adapt to the patterns of behavior that are considered unacceptable for itself. EVLFs are very active socially and in their work, yet they are normally characterized by low activity in the material world.

    [3E] Third Logic: EVLFs have a contradictory attitude, from main source of difficulties of the world to rules of a logic game. EVLFs love paradoxes, sophistries, along with a variety of logic puzzles and crosswords. In discussions, EVLFs often play the role of the “devil’s advocate”, who likes to look out for weaknesses in logical constructs. They often say that logic is clearly insufficient for fully understanding the world. Most of all, it primarily refers to the logic of building relationships with people. Thus, it is their desire to over-formalize interpersonal relations on the basis of, for example; status-hierarchical norms. EVLF treats this very positively, sometimes very proud when they exceed a certain person of a higher formal status, because it is another way to demonstrate the limitations of status logic. However, when building their own hierarchical relationships, they are often not built on formal conclusions. Entirely different considerations such as considerations of beauty and the requirement of detailed evidence often brings EVLF trouble.

    [4F] Fourth Physics: It is atypical for EVLFs to focus on the material world, when they attempt to indulge into the material world, they spend as much as is necessary to create a positive emotional impression on others. Sometimes when it seems to them that others are paying too much attention to the material world, it can be a pleasure for them to simply watch the picture of unusual events in the material world, not worrying much about when they bring discomfort to others.

    Sexta 1

    Types: EVLF, FLVE, FVLE, ELVF
    [1&4] Result aspects: E and F [2&3] Process aspects: L and V

    Generally, this sexta is characterised by open emotional displays and a deeper connection with the darker aspects of life. This is not to say that everyone in this sexta is evil, but most will have a natural gravitation towards exploring or understanding what other people shun away from. A good way of putting it, is that they seem more comfortable with exploring the negative side of humanity through confrontational expressions, trying to make other people come to terms with it.

    So, their focus on the negative leads to a catharsis through which they develop and understand themselves and the world better, which makes self-development a very important value in this sexta. They will often have powerful emotions and expressions, including a strong interest in intellectual, scientific discussions and overall self improvement. However, this is only coupled with a tendency to rile people up and create tense atmospheres.

    Generally they feel a strong attachment to basic human needs, and wish for a life of comfort where these needs are taken care of. Quite focused on the immediate terms of survival as well. They may have a tendency to embrace or disregard the physical aspects of life, turning rather greedy or detaching completely from the physical surroundings.

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    1-2 L, 1-2 V, 1-2-3 F, 3-4 E

    best fit type VLFE & some parts of LFVE

    but it's far from perfect

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    the VLFE shoe fits

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    my attempts on this so far (i'll edit as my attempts improve)

    E - very possibly 1 (i gain information about the world based on my mood and subjective perceptions, i can't change my mood easily. i don't really want to mess with other people's moods)
    L - 2 or 4 (i am logically flexible, and i like to play with ideas; inconsistencies don't disturb me - as in i don't need a consistent, perfect system; i'm philosophically inclined)
    V - 3 or 4 (i struggle to do anything, it's a clear weak area)
    F - 1, 3 or 4

    possibilities
    ELVF (68%) - andersen - so far scored highest on this on the test in my later post... i started skipping testing for V first or second, L first, or F second as i'm reasonably sure i am none of those and this takes forever due to the translating.
    ELFV (63%)
    FLEV (58%) - epicurus
    FEVL (39%) - dumas

    i really like V in the 3rd position, and the types with that, at least i'll score more highly on will-3rd.

    i like sexta 1; i guess 5 & 6 are ok maybe.

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    http://einsteinlvef.tumblr.com/

    new list of considerations:
    ELVF
    ELFV
    FLEV
    FELV
    LEFV


    eta july 2016

    positions i can't deal with from others if i think about this in some "duality" way (i've rounded it to "can't deal with" for the sake of simplicity):
    E 1, probably wouldn't like 3 either
    L 1, probably wouldn't like 2 either?
    F 3, possibly wouldn't like 1 either
    V 3, 4

    it seems that most likely i would pair well with 1V, which leads me to thinking i'm 4V after all. it's sometimes i can be more stubborn and 3V ish or sometimes i just want to resist against someone with a stronger will, to negotiate by fighting.

    possible "duals"
    VFLE (i would be ELFV)
    VFEL (i would be LEFV)
    VLEF (i would be FELV)
    VELF (i would be FLEV)
    FVLE (i would be ELVF)
    FVEL (i would be LEVF)
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    VELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!




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    where are the tests?

    i found one involving a horrible spreadsheet all in russian, but i get it i think in terms of how to use it.

    from this thread: http://www.socioforum.su/viewtopic.php?f=170&t=54806
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    I didn't take a test, i just resonated with 1F and 2V pretty clearly, and didn't resonate at all with 4E, so that left only FVEL and that works pretty well. 3E works, as does 4L, as does sexta 6.

    I am liking this system actually! At first i thought it was just another rehashing of Socionics (especially with some similar namesakes of types), but on closer reading, it doesn't seem to be.
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    http://socioforum.su/viewtopic.php?p=2115278#p2115278

    would smn do me a favor & acquire the contents of this post? Translated it says there's a list of 15 typologies, but it can only be accessed by those w/ a member account. Do u have one, Megane?

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    Based on the above descriptions:

    First function:
    None of them strongly resonate with me. F maybe? I'm not greedy or materialistic but I do relate to knowing just what I need to enjoy life and I don't like having to compromise my lifestyle. I feel like I should have picked L being an LII but 1L seemed too much like an arrogant know-it-all. But that's the problem with the 1st function, all are bit too extreme.

    Second function:
    V probably. Or maybe L.
    Perhaps even some E minus the part about 'emotional games' and 'manipulation'
    F seems more unlikely

    Third function:
    E clearly fits best I relate to every word of it.
    There are some parts of V I relate to as well, but most like E.
    Not much like L or F.

    Fourth function:
    Could be anything except E. Sorry but E just seems too emotionally distant and insensitive to me.
    I can half relate to F, L, and V but none of them completely. They all seem a bit too extreme. I can physically take care of myself dammit! I can think for myself! I can make my own decisions!

    If I must force-fit one function in each slot I get FVEL, or maybe FLEV.

    Reading about the sextas, alpha 6 is definitely the one I fit most, so that leaves FVEL.

    If I read the full-type descriptions, I don't relate much to FVEL at all but instead relate to LVEF. LEVF I also resonated with to a good degree.

    I'll go with LVEF, it matches the assessment above minus the 1L and the sexta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    my attempts on this so far (i'll edit as my attempts improve)

    E - very possibly 1 (i gain information about the world based on my mood and subjective perceptions, i can't change my mood easily. i don't really want to mess with other people's moods)
    L - 2 or 4 (i am logically flexible, and i like to play with ideas; inconsistencies don't disturb me - as in i don't need a consistent, perfect system; i'm philosophically inclined)
    V - 3 > 4? (i struggle to do anything, it's a clear weak area)
    F - 1 or 4 (it's either that i don't care, or i'm so great at it that i don't have to care)

    possibilities
    ELVF (68%) - andersen - so far scored highest on this on the test in my later post... i started skipping testing for V first or second, L first, or F second as i'm reasonably sure i am none of those and this takes forever due to the translating.
    FLEV (58%) - epicurus
    FEVL (39%) - dumas

    also i'm adding ELFV to the possibilities, since it was my second highest score at 63%.

    i really like V in the 3rd position, and the types with that, at least i'll score more highly on will-3rd.

    i like sexta 1; i guess 5 & 6 are ok maybe.

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    http://einsteinlvef.tumblr.com/
    Where do you get those percentages? Link to the test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    Where do you get those percentages? Link to the test?
    i did in the post after... but it involves an excel sheet you have to download that's entirely in russian of course

    also the rows with the calculations of the percentages are hidden... and of course there is a tab/worksheet for each type test...

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    I'm "Third emotion."
    Only one that I resonated with. :-p. So.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megane View Post
    Psyche Yoga was first created by Alexander Afanasyev to effectively describe human nature to basic and evident axioms, understanding how people have preferences in their physical, mental, emotional and personal realms, which have a substantial impact on themselves and the world around them. The relationship between the conscious and subconscious is a unique and fascinating area of ​​psychology.The very essence of yoga is to passively awaken the subconscious, to make the unobserved areas of your mind, active and conscious. A psychologically self-limited subconscious, maintains bodily functions unconsciously at a predetermined level from the beginning. Therefore, Psyche-Yoga was designed to be a typology system that focused solely on the "self" and it's psychological preferences, ignoring sociological and environmental factors that can develop a personality type; while PY types only focused on the individual and who they are, at their core.
    I don't see how this relatively simplistic system can claim its purpose is to make one focus on the conscious vs subconscious more than with other systems of typology incl. jungian frameworks.

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    In shorter test got:

    The balance of the PY-functions:

    Will: 21
    Logic: 23
    Emotion: 6
    Physics: 17
    Your PY-Type: L V F E


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    By descriptions above possible LEVF for myself and VFEL for husband.

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    Sure would be nice if not all the strong-E types were represented by women and vice versa for strong-L types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Sure would be nice if not all the strong-E types were represented by women and vice versa for strong-L types.
    Well 4E looks like a woman and 4L looks like a man.

    Emphasis on 'looks like' because for I all I know these people could be transgendered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    Based on the above descriptions:

    First function:
    None of them strongly resonate with me. F maybe?

    Second function:
    V probably.
    Can also seem some L and even some E minus the part about 'emotional games'
    F unlikely

    Third function:
    E clearly fits best.
    There are some parts of V and L I relate too but mostly E.
    F least likely

    Fourth function:
    Most likely F, with some L and the first half of the V description.
    Definitely not E.

    Well since I can't have F twice, I think LVEF is more likely than FVEL based on type descriptions. I just don't feel like a dogmatic know-it-all even though I highly value logic and have strong logic.
    I dont think that 1L necessarily corresponds to a "dogmatic know it all". In fact i think that's what 1V is more likely to look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
    I dont think that 1L necessarily corresponds to a "dogmatic know it all". In fact i think that's what 1V is more likely to look like.
    Well I'm never completely sure of anything. My knowledge and views of something keeps evolving as I take in more information.
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    Just from reading the description of the types, I seem to fit best with ELVF, the sexta 1 description also fits me. I think I am emotional, but not in a dramatic way which the E1 description seems to indicate. Could it be that EL being right next to each other is what causes some measure of hell in deciding where one fits best on the T/F axis?

    It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be an LExx type, if so, why not? Maybe I just didn't notice it, but I looked several times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncivilized View Post
    Just from reading the description of the types, I seem to fit best with ELVF, the sexta 1 description also fits me. I think I am emotional, but not in a dramatic way which the E1 description seems to indicate. Could it be that EL being right next to each other is what causes some measure of hell in deciding where one fits best on the T/F axis?

    It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be an LExx type, if so, why not? Maybe I just didn't notice it, but I looked several times.
    Not all the types are up yet. I noticed the blogger is doing them in order of sextas. Since I'm sexta 6, LVEF/LEVF I'm going to be waiting awhile.
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    There is no need to worry about waiting to read the descriptions, I'm currently working on the rest of the descriptions from Sexta 4; LFEV, LEFV and VFEL.

    I don't think that the wait should be very long after that, I'll be posting the majority of the descriptions today and/or tomorrow, in the case that I run out of time.

    Besides, I would gladly appreciate any support from anyone else who wishes to add to the descriptions based on the information uncovered about the type, PM me if you have any suggestions or questions about the PY project.

    That being said, I'm off to finish the rest of the descriptions. To check for any updates, either go to the Sexta 4 thread or www.einsteinlvef.tumblr.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncivilized View Post
    Just from reading the description of the types, I seem to fit best with ELVF, the sexta 1 description also fits me. I think I am emotional, but not in a dramatic way which the E1 description seems to indicate. Could it be that EL being right next to each other is what causes some measure of hell in deciding where one fits best on the T/F axis?

    It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be an LExx type, if so, why not? Maybe I just didn't notice it, but I looked several times.
    There are: LEVF (Pascal) and LEFV (Augustine).

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    Are there any reasonable explanations for result/process orientation re: PY functions?
    I'd also probably opt to replace all instances of 'knowledge' with 'confidence' as it pertains to function orientation.

    My Understanding Thus Far:

    Fxn 1 + 4: High conscious value, explicit in usage/communication
    Fxn 2 + 3: Low conscious value, implicit in usage/communication

    Fxn 1 + 2: High confidence/aptitude
    Fxn 3 + 4: Low confidence/aptitude
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    I've been muddling through machine-translated russian articles on psyche-yoga (aka psihosofiya) lately. I really liked this one so i thought i would share it:

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    "Will - a rod of life | Psihosofiya Afanasyeva (Psycho-yoga)
    Alexander Y. Afanasiev - the founder - the developer of the typology of the priorities of the psycho-Yoga (psihosofiya)In the last article I started a story about the typology Afanasyev. He told me that the feelings, empathy, compassion, the ability to love, make friends find themselves in different ways in people's emotional expression. And they belong to a function such as emotion.

    But if you look at life as a way of life, as something that is repeated every day, it immediately becomes clear that the main thing in life is after all, our ability to make decisions in all situations and be responsible for their actions. And it is our will.

    Will - this is our self, our inner core and our self-confidence. This is also our freedom and independence. As with other functions, the Will can take 1, 2, 3, or 4 th position for each person. But this is not to say that the 3rd and 4th Freedom weak. This is not true. We are the 1st and 2nd functions are always adults - know what to do in an emergency, are responsible for decision-making and creative enough. Low Will in this sense, more like children who grow up and learn to be adults.

    Actually, all four of the Will can be represented figuratively.

    1st Will is like a diamond. Diamond is known to be the hardest stone on earth. However, it is very fragile and you need to understand that these people are strong and firm in their decisions, but sometimes they give vent to emotions and the diamond falls, because lost control.

    2nd Will is like rubber - she can afford to stretch herself to certain very broad limits. She is very flexible and likes to check herself, throwing on herself a bunch of unnecessary responsibilities. And when the limit flexibility and strength reaches its climax, 2nd Will shoots like a spring! But it happens very rarely.

    3rd Will - a crystal glass. There is the appearance that it is something hard and powerful, but upon closer inspection you realize that it is not. That is why the 3rd Will like to erect a fortress around him, so that no one knows that inside they are insecure about decisions, and they are insanely jealous of those who are able to take the first step on the way to achieving goals.

    4th Will resembles clay. We all loved to sculpt a child of his figures, and we remember what it is to the touch - soft and flexible. Such people have no pride inherent in other Volyam. She just serve people, live and enjoy life. They were the main thing that was about life and everything moved.

    And now I will try to talk about wills from another angle, so that you can understand how all this works in practice.

    1st Will. Her look says it all - calm, confident, steadfast, it has a lot of energy and he knows what he wants. I like the subtle comparisons 1st Will the king or queen, who offered Afanasiev in his book "The syntax of Love." First of all, anti-social person with a surprisingly powerful energy solutions, which allows it to achieve your goals regardless of the obstacles head. But at his trial he was alone and he does not need a society, because it is self-sufficient. He has charisma, quality born leader - a hard, strong-willed, energetic, clearly knows what he wants. But "break" a man I do not advise. At a loss, so to speak, out. On 1st Will can only agree - because no one has yet been canceled powers of persuasion!

    There is at first Will another amazing ability - the ability to anticipate events. It's kind of animal instinct that can happen. And very often it happens that way, as they say 1st Will. By the way, from my personal observations, these people often see prophetic dreams and trust your intuition, because it works for them on all cylinders.

    2nd Will. If the first single will to life, the second - her complete opposite. She always has a sense of "right - wrong", "good - bad", and inside there is a sense of the moral law. And there is always the feeling: "I was always with the people. I have to help, explain, and together we can do something. " She likes to help people, to give them. And others, it protects better than themselves. In many situations, it shows no dyuzhuyu tolerance and compliance. But often they take a lot, burdens, and suffer from it - it will of flexible and loves to check yourself for strength. Therefore, the internal problems at the 2nd Will suffice. After all, often giving themselves to others, she forgets herself. That's only after a certain time, she begins to think: "I'm not sparing themselves, and that the feedback that I need, I do not get." And then she had to go away for a while from people to recuperate, and then start again ... give yourself to people!

    Man with 2nd Will not a psychologist, not curious, it has its simplicity, transparency and confidence in the people. Sometimes it is seen as spineless and infirm. But this is only deceptive appearance. For he is very stubborn and will hold his own.

    In a sense, the analogy comes to mercury. Mercury - liquid, but it is a metal. And 2nd Will.

    3rd Will. As for any third function, we always feel flawed. This also applies to logic, and physics, and emotions ... and will. 3rd Will has great creative potential. At the same time it can completely deny it. After all, it is important that people will say when disclosing this potential. If people give meaningful feedback and support third Will in many of its endeavors, it begins to unfold.

    It tricky intertwined vanity and a great resentment at the same time. It can be the result of the step up to stop and throw all without bringing the process to its logical conclusion. And all this because of the insecurity. This confidence 3rd Will gaining outside. From the outside world. It needs the support of others, especially loved ones, because then comes the belief in themselves and begin a multi-faceted creative life.

    For the third Will affirmation in society plays a significant role. After all, she is jealous of people who have overcome themselves and decided to take the first steps towards achieving its objectives. And she has a great confidence in the fact that like it victors. Therefore, it is peculiar to seek their place in the sun, making their way up the hierarchy of society. For them, the struggle - the meaning of life. A stubborn - this action.

    4th Will. About her often write little, bypassing its uniqueness. Unlike 3rd Will she fight for power, not vain, she had no pride - it is not necessary. About her writing: "This is the nicest person in the world in its field, is very easy to breathe." And so it is. It is the executive and damn talented. The society plays the role of an archivist. In her opinion, it is important for the history of everything. And all she wants to collect, convey and transmit to future generations. It carries the evolution of life. For her, there is nothing it does not matter.

    Faithful wife, a loyal slave - it's just about it. She is inherent naturalness, simplicity behavior and open look. Outwardly, it looks like a 2nd Will, but the difference is that 2nd Will not sag like clay - it is still rubber, it is inherent stubborn.

    By the way, for this reason, 1st Will more impressed 4th than 2nd. Second Will says: "I understood everything" and make their own way. A 4th quietly satisfied with the life of someone else willed program that like 1st Will.

    Note .: at work, at home, at a party, on the street, we are always faced with the manifestation of the will. The information that I have written, will help you understand the different attitudes of people in decision-making.
    27/03/2006

    A.Logachev. Group sotsioniki MSC."

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    @Suz Interesting article but I'm still not quite sure which will position I am because I can see myself in all of these descriptions, bolding what particularly fits and crossing out what doesn/t. I think I'm mostly like 2 and 3 but I'm not sure which!


    Actually, all four of the Will can be represented figuratively.

    1st Will is like a diamond. Diamond is known to be the hardest stone on earth. However, it is very fragile and you need to understand that these people are strong and firm in their decisions, but sometimes they give vent to emotions and the diamond falls, because lost control.

    2nd Will is like rubber - it can afford to stretch myself to certain very broad limits. It is very flexible and likes to check himself, throwing a bunch of unnecessary responsibilities. And when the limit flexibility and strength reaches its climax, 2nd Will shoots like a spring! But it happens very rarely.

    3rd Will - a crystal glass. There is the appearance that it is something hard and powerful, but upon closer inspection you realize that it is not. That is why the 3rd Will like to erect a fortress around him, so that no one knows that inside they are insecure about their decisions, and they are insanely jealous of those who are able to take the first step on the way to achieving goals.

    NOTE: I'm not so jealous of those who took the first step but I tend to be jealous of those who I perceive as more accomplished than me.

    4th Will resembles clay. We all loved to sculpt a child of his figures, and we remember what it is to the touch - soft and flexible. Such people have no pride inherent in other Volyam. She just serve people, live and enjoy life. They were the main thing that was about life and everything moved.

    NOTE: I don't mind serving people, but I don't want to be constantly doing that. I want to things for myself too.


    And now I will try to talk about wills from another angle, so that you can understand how all this works in practice.

    1st Will. Her look says it all - calm, confident, steadfast, it has a lot of energy and he knows what he wants. I like the subtle comparisons 1st Will the king or queen, who offered Afanasiev in his book "The syntax of Love." First of all, anti-social person with a surprisingly powerful energy solutions, which allows it to achieve your goals regardless of the obstacles head. But at his trial he was alone and he does not need a society, because it is self-sufficient. He has charisma, quality born leader - a hard, strong-willed, energetic, clearly knows what he wants. But "break" a man I do not advise. At a loss, so to speak, out. On 1st Will can only agree - because no one has yet been canceled powers of persuasion!

    There is at first Will another amazing ability - the ability to anticipate events. It's kind of animal instinct that can happen. And very often it happens that way, as they say 1st Will. By the way, from my personal observations, these people often see prophetic dreams and trust your intuition, because it works for them on all cylinders.

    NOTE: In my case, I think my ability to anticipate events is demonstrative Ni

    2nd Will. If the first single will to life, the second - her complete opposite. She always has a sense of "right - wrong", "good - bad", and inside there is a sense of the moral law. And there is always the feeling: "I was always with the people. I have to help, explain, and together we can do something. " She likes to help people, to give them. And others, it protects better than themselves. In many situations, it shows no dyuzhuyu tolerance and compliance. But often they take a lot, burdens, and suffer from it - it will of flexible and loves to check yourself for strength. Therefore, the internal problems at the 2nd Will suffice. After all, often giving themselves to others, she forgets herself. That's only after a certain time, she begins to think: "I'm not sparing themselves, and that the feedback that I need, I do not get." And then she had to go away for a while from people to recuperate, and then start again ... give yourself to people!

    NOTE: I like to help others and make a positive contribution but I also need alot of time to just do my own thing and not have to worry about being tied down to others. But I also feel a strong sense of responsibility to the other people. It's important that other people be treated with respect and if I promised someone something you can be sure I'll keep my word.

    Man with 2nd Will not a psychologist, not curious, it has its simplicity, transparency and confidence in the people. Sometimes it is seen as spineless and infirm. But this is only deceptive appearance. For he is very stubborn and his will.

    In a sense, the analogy comes to mercury. Mercury - liquid, but it is a metal. And 2nd Will.

    NOTE: I am both trustful and wary of the people. People often perceive me as quite passive, which I resent being called because I know there is a strong inner strength in there and I can be firm and stubborn at the right times as needed. I suppose it also ties into Se PoLR and type 9 enneagram fix.

    3rd Will. As for any third function, we always feel flawed. This also applies to logic, and physics, and emotions ... and will. 3rd Will has great creative potential. At the same time it can completely deny it. After all, it is important that people will say when disclosing this potential. If people give meaningful feedback and support third Will in many of its endeavors, it begins to unfold.

    It tricky intertwined vanity and a great resentment at the same time. It can be the result of the step up to stop and throw all without bringing the process to its logical conclusion. And all this because of the insecurity. This confidence 3rd Will gaining outside. From the outside world. It needs the support of others, especially loved ones, because then comes the belief in themselves and begin a multi-faceted creative life.

    For the third Will affirmation in society plays a significant role. After all, she is jealous of people who have overcome themselves and decided to take the first steps towards achieving its objectives. And she has a great confidence in the fact that like it victors. Therefore, it is peculiar to seek their place in the sun, making their way up the hierarchy of society. For them, the struggle - the meaning of life. A stubborn - this action.

    NOTE: I often feel like an underachiever with alot of untapped potential. Being appreciated and valued by others means everything to me. I am often concerned about whether or not I'm making a useful contribution at all or if I'm just a useless bump on a log.

    4th Will. About her often write little, bypassing its uniqueness. Unlike 3rd Will she fight for power, not vain, she had no pride - it is not necessary. About her writing: "This is the nicest person in the world in its field, is very easy to breathe." And so it is. It is the executive and damn talented. The society plays the role of an archivist. In her opinion, it is important for the history of everything. And all she wants to collect, convey and transmit to future generations. It carries the evolution of life. For her, there is nothing it does not matter.

    Faithful wife, a loyal slave - it's just about it. She is inherent naturalness, simplicity behavior and open look. Outwardly, it looks like a 2nd Will, but the difference is that 2nd Will not sag like clay - it is still rubber, it is inherent stubborn.

    By the way, for this reason, 1st Will more impressed 4th than 2nd. Second Will says: "I understood everything" and make their own way. A 4th quietly satisfied with the life of someone else willed program that like 1st Will.

    NOTE: I'm quite faithful and compliant but I refuse to be anyone's slave. The whole idea behind that is repulsive to me. Also why is 'wife' used here? Men can be 4th will too. Same with 2nd will above. Why insert gender into this?
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    @chips and underwear, first of all i think machine translations can be difficult to interpret because many things get translated as opposite in meaning, if a crucial word is missed or something, so just bear that in mind.

    Also, i see you picking out little snippets of each "will" position that fit you, but i think the main goal in reading articles like this is to get the gist of each different one. Of course everyone might resonate with adjectives and snippets from each one, but try to step back and see the big picture of what kind of character they are trying to describe, and big picture of your general "style" and then decide which one might fit you best.

    For 4th will, for example, I see you highlighted faithful, and inherent stubborn, but i think you missed that the "inherent stubborn" part was actually being said of 2nd will, in contrast to 4th will. They were trying to say that 2nd will also looks inherently natural, has simplicity of behavior and an open look, just like 4th will, but in contrast to 4th will, 2nd will does not sag like clay, it's rubber, deep down it's stubborn, it snaps back into place.

    So, maybe this means you're 2nd will or idk maybe 3rd will.... you did pick out some things I think are quite key to 3rd will too actually. Or maybe you're somewhere in between those two.

    i feel "in between" for a different PY function too (but process of elimination kind of determined it's position, since the other possible position was unequivocal for another PY function). Not will though, i'm very clearly 2nd will. So maybe trying to identify a different PY function's position might help you narrow things down more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
    @chips and underwear, first of all i think machine translations can be difficult to interpret because many things get translated as opposite in meaning, if a crucial word is missed or something, so just bear that in mind.

    Also, i see you picking out little snippets of each "will" position that fit you, but i think the main goal in reading articles like this is to get the gist of each different one. Of course everyone might resonate with adjectives and snippets from each one, but try to step back and see the big picture of what kind of character they are trying to describe, and big picture of your general "style" and then decide which one might fit you best.

    For 4th will, for example, I see you highlighted faithful, and inherent stubborn, but i think you missed that the "inherent stubborn" part was actually being said of 2nd will, in contrast to 4th will. They were trying to say that 2nd will also looks inherently natural, has simplicity of behavior and an open look, just like 4th will, but in contrast to 4th will, 2nd will does not sag like clay, it's rubber, deep down it's stubborn, it snaps back into place.

    So, maybe this means you're 2nd will or idk maybe 3rd will.... you did pick out some things I think are quite key to 3rd will too actually. Or maybe you're somewhere in between those two.

    i feel "in between" for a different PY function too (but process of elimination kind of determined it's position, since the other possible position was unequivocal for another PY function). Not will though, i'm very clearly 2nd will. So maybe trying to identify a different PY function's position might help you narrow things down more.
    Well on Megane's posts above I identify storngly with 3rd-emotion and 2nd-will. But I know I that I've always had issues with my self image, usefulness and wanting affirmation from others. Maybe that's explained by other factors such as enneagram. I am a social subtype and have a 3-fix.

    I'm less sure about logic and physics. Could be either 1 or 4. So LVEF or FVEL. But when reading descriptions from Russian sites I found I also related to LEVF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    Well on Megane's posts above I identify storngly with 3rd-emotion and 2nd-will. But I know I that I've always had issues with my self image, usefulness and wanting affirmation from others. Maybe that's explained by other factors such as enneagram. I am a social subtype and have a 3-fix.

    I'm less sure about logic and physics. Could be either 1 or 4. So LVEF or FVEL. But when reading descriptions from Russian sites I found I also related to LEVF.
    In my case the distinction between 2nd vs 3rd will is pretty clear cut, maybe will help you decide one way or the other.

    Im quite proactive about bringing people together and working with one another in a friendly cooperative way. Im quite proactive about my own goals as well. The thought of being envious of those who are able to pursue their goals is quite foreign to me bc its just never been an issue for me. The description of being like rubber i can resonate with well. I am known for being very flexible openminded and compromising, but i do have certain core values that i can be quite stubborn about. I think in the chatbox some ppl have noticed how i might initially seem to be agreeing on something but then go on to present an differing opinion, and i think that sort of exemplifies this rubber quality, as does my snapping at ppl (though an infrequent occurrence) when my core principles are more severely transgressed.

    That said, affrimation from others does feel good and is encouraging as a way to communicate that rhings are working, but i don't feel resentful nor any sense of vanity in that regard nor do i feel a sense of struggle for the meaning of life. I feel that life is in most cases what you make it and make of it.
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    None of the second function options seemed all that optimal on the first go through.

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    I love PY! <3

    I'm (almost certainly) VFLE.

    Other possibilities:

    V could be 2 if you just look at the descriptions, but if you consider the model and compatibility, 1V is solid.
    F could really be anywhere (except probably 3) if I think about it too much. I find 3F endearing though (unlike the other 3s), and it's an area of confidence, so 2 probably works best.
    L could possibly be 1 or 2 if not 3, but 3 is a really good fit.
    4 is tricky because theoretically, this should be an area to which I give very little attention, but this is only true when I'm not experiencing any relationship problems in my life. When I am, it gets a lot more focus. I still put everyone else's E before my own though unless there's some V involved.
    Last edited by Joy; 08-01-2016 at 11:27 PM.
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

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