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that's not angry
"...Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly" (the Skin Horse)
Your thoughts are almost entirely contingent on your specific experience. Why be so attached to them?
very generic and commonplace, so if you must attribute it to Se, make it weak, not strong Se.
disclaimer: it's not attributable to Se.
It reminds me of Anakin:
"I HAAAATE YOUUU!!!" (golden razzy incoming!)
Being human function
・☆ 。・B e a u t i f u l S i l e n c e ・ 。☆・
Righteous anger is typically a reactive emotion of anger over perceived mistreatment, insult, or malice. It is akin to what is called the sense of injustice.
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Agree that FUCK U is not always angry. Sometimes it is just a clarifier.
Maybe Angry is a combination of certain functions. My ex-wife says I have two emotions. Stoic and Angry. I think I would add teasing to that, but that's just me. She did admit I look OK when I smile, and smiling is neither Stoic nor Angry.
Anger is 8w7, probably.
Whichever functional combination is responsible for "angry and the urge to kill" (besides eating a large steak, rare, or being trapped behind some "drivers" on the freeway who are driving side-by-side across three lanes of traffic for miles and miles), it should be shared among all of the type 8's.
The Socionics types I've seen associated with e8's are LIE's (83% e8), SLE's (33% e8), and ILE's (14% e8).
Hmmmm, Looks like they don't all share any functions. Must be something else. Not Cheetos, probably. But I could see an overdose of Nacho-flavored Doritos producing insane anger.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-part-II/page3, post #102
^ I have always considered anger an emotion. Stoic to me is presenting a lack of emotion.
a natural instinctive state of mind deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others.
"she was attempting to control her emotions"
synonyms: feeling, sentiment; More
instinctive or intuitive feeling as distinguished from reasoning or knowledge.
"responses have to be based on historical insight, not simply on emotion"
synonyms: instinct, intuition, gut feeling; MoreYou don't think it even though you can think about it. You can sense or intuitively feel something that might make you angry but then it turns into a "feeling". I will stick with Fe or Fi. I suppose it depends on what position Fe or Fi are in and contributing functions (Se or Si) that determine how it is experienced or expressed.an·ger
a strong feeling of annoyance, displeasure, or hostility.
"the colonel's anger at his daughter's disobedience"
synonyms: rage, vexation, exasperation, displeasure, crossness, irritation, irritability, indignation, pique; More
fill (someone) with anger; provoke anger in.
"she was angered by his terse answer"
synonyms: infuriate, irritate, exasperate, irk, vex, peeve, madden, put out; More
Or I am an SLE 8w7 on occasion.
fuck (fe) you (fi) ! (fe)
it's Fe but coming from an Fi sense of moral outrage. And expressed with force, Se.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I suppose if it is full of hate or vengeance, it's more likely Te/Fi; if it's full of hysteria, more likely Fe/Ti. I suppose both relate to hot anger however; cold anger is a bit more interesting. It calculates, yet remains passionate. I wonder what that would most resemble in socionics.
but yeah i've heard horror stories about the building process and have been strongly advised to not consider building from scratch because of those kinds of issues and having to babysit every little thing the builders do
I hope everything works out though with all of those frustrating things you mentioned... usually things do
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
You could try to explain this with NPA Theory. First of all, don't mistake Rage/Wrath with Anger. People with the aggressive trait, exhibit the aggressive-vindictive rage, which is tied to the sympathetic nervous system. People without this trait don't, but they can exhibit the narcisstic rage, which is tied to the parasympathetic nervous system.
Quotes on Rage vs. Anger from this link:
When most people speak of ‘anger problems,’ ‘anger management,’ or fearing someone’s anger, they are speaking about rage. Rage results from the impulse of self-protection being forced through the 'fight-or-flight system, that is, mediated through the sympathetic nervous system. Anger, on the other hand, is mediated by the ventro-vagal 'social receptivity' system, part of the parasympathetic nervous system.Rage is not just really intense anger. Based on the biological mechanisms mentioned above, rage or rage episodes have five universal, qualitative, and defining characteristics:
Suddenness In a fight or flight reaction, the adrenal glands pour potent chemicals into the blood that highjack the body and mind immediately. This is unlike true anger, which works through the parasympathetic system and takes minutes or even hours to develop. That is why people sometimes say “I'm getting angry” but never say, “I'm getting enraged”
Irretrievability It is the nature of the fight or flight system that once the chemicals are released the biological state will persist for an hour or more, even if soothing maneuvers are begun immediately, and much longer if antagonizing activity is pursued (which is usually the case) Once rage 'blows' no words or thoughts or consequences will change it. True if the consequences are severe (like arrest) sometimes actions can be crudely controlled, but the internal state remains unchanged. Even if the 'cause' of the upset goes away, the rage will persist. If an unrelated activity has to be done (like going to work) the rage will carry over to the new situation.
Loss of Contact With rage, vision, perception, empathic feeling, and subsequent memory are diminished and distorted. That is why there is the folk expression 'blind rage,' and psychologists speak of 'dissociative rage.' After a rage, the rager often truly does not know or remember what happened (which of course aids denial.)
Loss of Self With rage, all prior history in a relationship is lost. All principles and beliefs the rager has developed in life are inaccessible. Any previous agreements, sincerely made or not, are repudiated.. Human bonding, attachment, histories of good-will or shared pleasure are denied. The rager is temporarily without personality, a defensive entity at war with the world.
Loss of Behavioral Control With rage, there is a certain amount of start/stop activity, but true control is more about guidance and achieving a desired result through just the right force and direction of movement. With rage, there is no ability to guide and really no desired results. Rather movement is either 'destroy' or 'hold back'. Holding back is physically painful. If the rage is strong, holding cannot last and destruction happens.Anger is commonly confused with a loss of control. It is rage, however, that results in lack of control. Rage is also recognizable by the irrationality and disorganization. A person in a rage is usually unable to state what they want. Anger tends to bring a clarity and focus. An angry person may ask for more than what is practical, but what an angry person asks for will be rational. Still, even true anger may be somewhat disorganizing at first if anger has been suppressed. Anger can always 'flip' to rage if the person is overwhelmed It may be beneficial to work with anger first in a controlled setting like therapy. Anger, when a person is ready to own it, often spurs actions that positively 'take control' of a life or situation.On a personal note: I don't relate to the key points under rage.Loss of control, punishing actions, and blame all have to do with the intense other-focus of rage. Anger, on the other hand, brings a self-focus. [...] Anger is not shouting or screaming. Rather these effects on the voice are from rage and fear, which tighten the throat. True anger deepens the voice slightly...
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I NEVER experienced Anger. That is something I aspire to tbh. Because that'd mean that I succeeded in controlling that other nasty beast:
Really, I fly off the handle every so often for the most insignificant reasons. It's like I'm brimming with rage. And I REALLY DON'T WANT TO! I HATE RAGE! It is not productive, it hurts others, it hurts me...what's the use of it? Oh right. It makes you feel "alive". Yeah until next bout that is! It's like a drug ffs! FUCK THAT SHIT!
...ready to be a Sith(ffs fml smh).
Really, fuck that!
Fuck You at its deepest core, is implied boundaries. *puts on narcissistic strrrng eye glasses*
Even if the person doesn't out right say it, with the power of my empathy - I am well aware of what lines to tread and what not. If I'm pissed off at times like most people get, I will troll the person easily- as I know what buttons to push. And the people who hurt me knew what buttons to push in me.
Although friendship is nice and all the darker, more realistic side of me is well aware of how easily it is for somebody to say FUCK YOU if too many boundaries are invaded against.
Love is precious and rare, because it's a boundaryless state between two people that actually doesn't suck. When almost always, the reverse is true. Sooo be careful who you let into your heart. Especially if it's big. <3
I rarely experience real anger. I have raged though and I disassociate when enraged. That is the only reason I can see why someone of my stature can actually terrify people I am close to (or strangers). I think it comes from too much repressed anger or even not knowing how to be angry. My rages have been brought on by too much harassment in the past. Especially in my late teens when I was being harassed daily by a group of girls over a guy. They stalked me and rode by my house screaming slut and whore. I ignored and ignored until they cornered me once at a convenience store. I went into a full blown rage since my little sister was with me (protective mode). They never bothered me again.
Last time I raged was a few years ago when I was in a fight with a bf. It was pretty serious. I almost hit him with my car because he would not let me leave. Something inside of me at the last moment realized what I was doing and slammed the brakes just in time. That has stuck with me and I never want to lose control like that ever again. Even though he forgave me I could not stop apologizing or crying for days. I have not raged like that since though. I don't really get angry. At most I get annoyed/irritated. Sometimes I snap at people with my words and it is enough to get them to back off me. So my use of rage above is not the norm. I usually just snap for a second then regain my composure.
I don't like NPA theory but that was useful. It explains why I lacked control in those situations. My results for NPA were N type.
Edit: Where I grew up there was a lot of warped Se and I had to actually fight to prove myself. It was not an ideal situation but I learned to cope.
Edit2: By warped Se I mean people who would push me to fight and stand up for myself.
Then I go in my room, lock the door, and calm myself down. I also can have a little bit of an impulsive tantrum where I passively aggressively cut someone off and then feel like an idiot after, when I have to tell them what I did and why. That is humbling. Most tantrums are due to annoyances though. They are nothing like a rage.
My IEI brother is a big door slammer and it annoys me to no end. He won't even tell you what's wrong. Just slam! I can usually guess what it is though, without talking to him, based on what is going on at the time. I just let him chill because if I don't we will argue and it is not worth it.
Short anger test:
Overall results 36 Your overall anger score is low. This means that you are rather skilled at coping with potentially angering situations. There is also the possibility, however, that you are denying your real feelings of anger. The questions on this test dealt with some situations in which it is normal and understandable to feel angry. Your score indicates that you rarely felt anger, even in situations where most people would. On the one hand, this can be very positive - you may have reached a stage of enlightenment most of us never obtain - but there could be other reasons for your rather laid-back approach. Make sure that you are not bottling up your emotions and denying your true feelings, because this can be just as harmful as outright anger. Remember, it's ok to feel angry sometimes, as long as you express it in a healthy way.
Longer anger test:
The following is a summarized version of your results, categorized as Strengths, Potential Strengths, and Limitations. Strengths
- You do not experience excessive anger
- You rarely experience very angry emotions
- You rarely, if ever, engage in angry behavior
- You rarely dwell on anger-inducing situations
- No potential strengths detected
- No limitations detected
I couldn't really relate to their anger questioning. Those situations didn't seem a big deal in the grand scheme of things, except for maybe two of them.
I use Fe, and I can be one of the most explosive people I know. When I do displays of emotions, they're usually big. Mega preformances. I guess that's why I go to drama club haha.
i want to say "fuck you" sometimes, but you know, i don't know if i ever really mean it. i want to mean it. i think it just makes me feel the wind has been knocked out of me. i can feel a destructive antagonism but it comes with guilt and pain too. i guess i've found often my anger hurts me. i don't channel it well. maybe all it is, is a force to change things, and all those lovely stories about people igniting in rage to be someone new, or to become a villain... are just romanticisms of anger. it can give you the power to change something, or to redirect something, or to say enough... and maybe that really is all it can do or is.
ok, nvm, my tv was on and comcast on-demand was advertising barbie movies and although i had it on mute i could just imagine all the shit the comcast "lady" was saying. my immediate rxn was to flip off the tv and declare "fuck YOU." and i meant it. so superficial and stupid. i want to force them to understand how stupid they are. and even if they know, i want to force them to understand how badly they underestimate everyone and everything. they are the evil. not us. FUCK THEM.
eta: obviously i'm addressing these like seriously important matters in teh universe. (i hate "teh" but it's appropriate here.)