What is the forum consensus for my type?
ILI seemed to fit the most except I don't really have that intellectual arrogance ILIs tend to have. I don't really see SEEs being my dual either. Opinions?
What is the forum consensus for my type?
ILI seemed to fit the most except I don't really have that intellectual arrogance ILIs tend to have. I don't really see SEEs being my dual either. Opinions?
Last edited by Muddytextures; 08-16-2015 at 03:26 PM.
with only 80 posts it might be too early for a forum consensus, you're still relatively new to the scene
a few implicit clues from VI, pictures, and some of your statements are beginning to converge at LSI-Ti
could explain why you're gravitating t/w ILI with Ni hidden agenda while alpha doesn't quite feel as your opposite quadra
for a second I thought this thread was about me
Last edited by Muddytextures; 08-18-2015 at 04:06 AM.
The unscientific enneagram may be helpful. For instance, I'm a 1 who sometimes integrates into a 7, which makes me sense seeking. I hit a stage when I first entered typology when I was typing as ISFP(MBTI) because of sensing engagement. It is when I become 7ish when I connect well with Se types. I think this is healthy and helps one extend and become more well-rounded.
I really like Ne types too because they have a sense of fun and adventure much like Se types, except there is much more to talk about. Duality is not so much about who you get along with or are attracted to, although it does happen to some extent. It is how each provides the other with something they desire to be stronger at, but cannot provide or produce on their own. ILIs need a nudge to be more present and assertive and seeks to do so. While generally weaker on Ne, they do not seek to improve it, or need to. They will be good at it when use is needed, but prefers not to endlessly focus on possibilities : Ni provides the intuition fix. I think ENFps can make really good friends to ILIs, although that depends on the individuals involved.
Now if you are SLI, ENFps will need Si from you. Do you think that is your strength? Is that something you could provide others over the long term?
There are many types that full of themselves and expect everyone to be just like them for them to be the same type as them .They have an extremely narrow view of real life typology.
White (introverted) sensing
We view an object's internal state as the relationship between events that precondition one another. This element perceives information about how processes are reflected by one's internal state. This includes the sense of one's own condition and the sensations of people evoked by this interdependence. Interaction in space is nothing more than a reflection of one object in another. Objects reflect in other objects, evoking certain sensations in one another. Such an individual perceives external information in form of sensations evoked by ongoing events. For example, the sensation of pain is essentially the reflection within a person's mind of a relationship between his functioning body and a process occurring in some part of the body that impedes this functioning.
When this element of perception is in the leading position, the individual has the ability to change the qualities of the surrounding space and influence the sensations of people within it. He is able to avoid physical discomfort and protect others from it. This element is defined bby the ability to recreate previously experienced aesthetic sensations. An excellent example is Peter Paul Rubens, who created his paintings not from nature, but from his memory of once experienced aesthetic sensations. By paintings, he sought to evoke in the viewer certain aesthetic experiences. Such creativity constitutes the recreation of an object that is able to provide other people with aesthetic sensations that were intended by its creator. When an individual of this type is preparing something, he starts from envisioning all the associated qualities that the final product will have.
These people are able to distinguish previously experienced aesthetic sensations from new ones. They are able to "collect" and remember them. This also presupposes that such individuals are able to contra-position their sensations to those of others, the ability to contend for their fulfillment, and the ability to mold and perfect not only one's own aesthetic tastes and habits, but also those of others. We might say that such individuals have the ability to impose their understanding of aesthetics and comfortable life on other people.
Wikisocion description of Si
Introverted sensing () is an irrational, introverted, and dynamic information element. It is also referred to as Si, S, experiential sensing, or white sensing.
Si is associated with the ability to internalize sensations and to experience them in full detail.
Si focuses on tangible, direct (external) connections (introverted) between processes (dynamic) happening in one time, i.e. the physical, sensual experience of interactions between objects. This leads to an awareness of internal tangible physical states and how various physical fluctuations or substances are directly transferred between objects, such as motion, temperature, or dirtiness. The awareness of these tangible physical processes consequently leads to an awareness of health, or an optimum balance with one's environment. The individual physical reaction to concrete surroundings is main way we perceive and define aesthetics, comfort, convenience, and pleasure.
In contrast to extroverted sensing Se, Si is related to following one's own needs instead of focusing on some externally-driven conception of what is necessary to acquire or achieve. So, whereas Se ego types feel capable to evaluate how justified others' preferences are, Si ego types will try to adjust to them in any way possible (given that it does not extremely affect their own comfort), wishing to minimize conflict.
In contrast to introverted intuition Ni, Si is about direct interaction and unity (or discord) with one's surroundings, rather than abstract process and causal links.
Types that value Si prefer to spend their time doing enjoyable activities rather than straining themselves to achieve goals. They like to believe that if activities are done with enjoyment, people will give them more effort and time, and also becoming more skilled at what they are doing in the long run. They believe that goals should suit people's intrinsic needs rather than shaped by the demands and constraints of the external world, and so do not try to force others into doing things they don't want to do. They also try to be easygoing and pleasant, preferring peaceful coexistence to conflict, except when their personal well-being or comfort is directly at stake.
as a base (1st) function (SEI and SLI)
A strong ability to recognize internal physical states in themselves and others, to understand how these states are reached, and to recreate and avoid these physical states.
Individuals who possess as a base function are drawn to situations that satisfy their inner physical experience. Whenever base function individuals are taking part in something that involves recognizing, recreating, or analyzing physical states, they feel a great deal of personal power and enthusiasm.
The avoidance of discomfort is one of the primary motivations of these types. Feelings of internal discomfort can arise from a tense psychological atmosphere, working too hard and sapping the body's resources, being pressured by other people or by numerous "things to do," and from unsatiated or oversatiated physical needs. These types tend to quickly recognize and be quite vocal about discomfort that arises and either take clever measures to dissipate it or simply get out of whatever is bothering them. They are very receptive to other people sharing feelings of discomfort with them and can help alleviate the tension and offer good solutions.
leading types are constantly adjusting themselves to their environment (which includes the people around them), and rarely have any fixed ideas about what is "appropriate" to desire in a given situation. Thus they are willing to accommodate other people's needs in an ad hoc manner. It is enough for something to "feel right" for them to justify doing it. This behavior may seem random to outside observers, since it is concomitant with weak .
Well this was the best I can for a video because of my shit phone but here you go:
Compare with ILI Si role:
3. Introverted Sensing
ILIs generally place moderate to minimal importance on such matters as cleanliness, comfort, and sensory stimuli. Some ILIs may consider them distractions. It is not atypical of ILIs to be completely uninterested by and unable to find any value in something like a fine piece of artwork. Different ILIs respond to different artistic stimuli in different ways; for example, an ILI might think painting is worthless but possess sufficient background to enjoy other media, such as sculpture or music.
ILIs are often uncertain about the messages they receive from their bodies. An ILI might feel some irregularity in their own body and not realize its significance to the overall functioning of the body. An ILI will often try to determine the consequence of such symptoms through their own understanding of anatomy (or 'google it'), often blowing things out of proportion. An ILI's sense of self doubt may lead to such assumptions as the presence of a brain tumor as the result of a mere headache. In contrast to valuing types, ILIs are significantly less adept at making adjustments to their lifestyle to correct these minor ailments.
Even so, ILIs are capable of placing a moderate focus on maintaining their physical comfort. ILIs often construct a lifestyle based on various activities that feed their own intellectual stimulation. Though attention to comfort is never a priority, it is not completely ignored, as some attention to it goes hand in hand with their inactive lifestyle. Still, ILIs often neglect the world around them and become consistently mired in their own inertia, and are unlikely to notice that anything is missing.
ILIs are often hesitant or resistant towards lifestyle changes that threaten the commodiously constructed surroundings that they create for themselves. No one is better suited to opening the ILI for change than the hyperactive SEE, whose flurry of constant activity is seen by the ILI as refreshingly active.
In short, ILIs can look a lot like SLI as I see it.
Alright here is a better vid:
You seem uncomfortable in the video. I would be too, doing one for the forum.
What do you feel when people tell you to chill or relax? Is it annoying? Personally I don't like it. I am often told to go meditate when I know that is not right for me to do in that moment. I try to be polite when telling people to stop telling me I need to relax. I will when I want to but in the meantime I usually need something else.
People very rarely tell me to relax because I'm pretty much relaxed 24/7 (at home at least). If I'm not relaxed then it must be for a good reason I'd therefore probably be annoyed if they told me to relax.
Intj intp or istp
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
I relate a lot to the descriptions of Ni as a leading function and most of the ILI descriptions, but some things about ILI throw me off. For one I don't see SEEs being my dual, the few I have interacted with gave me a distant feeling. Secondly I am not materialistic at all and really only care about money when there is something specific I want. I just don't feel very gamma.
Then there is LII, which seems to fit equally well but also has some things that just don't fit. While I believe I have strong Ti I seem to use it more demonstratively rather it being a leading factor in my life. I find ESEs to be pleasant company at least for a short while but they quickly tire me out and make me just want to be left alone. I don't seem to be quite as bad with Se as some other LIIs I have observed. And of course there is my irrationality. I know I might be sounding ILE I this point but I am very introverted which simply doesn't make sense.
And lastly there is SLI. I have consistently got along extremely well ILEs and IEEs even when others have not and I seem to greatly value Ne. Being Fe polr makes a lot sense and I take great pleasure in exploring the outdoors and being in tune with nature. The thing with SLI however is that my Si seems questionable and I use Ni more instead. I'm not all that athletic and some have said I lack the bluntness of an SLI.
So, its basically like I'm a mix and match of all these types.
I can say with certainty however that I'm am a textbook enneagram 5, if that helps any.
Last edited by Muddytextures; 08-20-2015 at 07:09 AM.
Since then you decided it's leading and not demonstrative?Then there is LII, which seems to fit equally well but also has some things that just don't fit. While I believe I have strong Ti I seem to use it more demonstratively rather it being a leading factor in my life.
All of the ILIs I know are less materialistic than I am. They sometimes make decisions along lines that to them are practical but that I don't really vibe with much, but I still respect it. Don't buy into the weird Gamma stereotypes.
As I said in the other thread, I'm skeptical about being a Te valuer and I seem to use Ti more instead. Ti and Ni fit equally well as my leading function to be honest. I seem use Ni demonstratively sometimes as well in that I often dismiss a lot of people's supernatural claims. However the contradiction with INTp, other than not fitting the stereotypes, is that alpha doesn't seem like my opposing quadra. I don't feel a sense of being at odds with alpha types or Fe egos in anyway. I tried ISTp since it seemed like a possible alternative but I just can't see myself being Si dom and delta feels more like my opposing quadra. I do agree I'm more likely N than S. Perhaps I'm INTx with a case of EXTREME borderline value of the functions, thus the difficultly typing. I value Ti and Ni almost equally, slight preference for Ne over Te, Si and Fi equally, and am receptive to parts of both Fe and Se. As a whole I seem more irrational then rational but then again I feel Te fits better as the ignoring. Its like I meet in the middle and somehow become a "beta NT".
In all the socionics test I've taken, as unreliable as I know they are, I always score equally high with INTp and INTj. This is what I mean:
Last edited by Muddytextures; 08-23-2015 at 11:00 AM.
There is one ILI I know that's rude, arrogant AND is bad with money. There is another ILI I know that's polite, soft, good with saving money but not good with earning it due to extreme laziness. And so on... These things on their own taken out of any context are not even very specific to any type.
OK here's a tip, for a start, figure out if you are Static or Dynamic.As I said in the other thread, I'm skeptical about being a Te valuer and I seem to use Ti more instead. Ti and Ni fit equally well as my leading function to be honest. I seem use Ni demonstratively sometimes as well in that I often dismiss a lot of people's supernatural claims. However the contradiction with INTp, other than not fitting the stereotypes, is that alpha doesn't seem like my opposing quadra. I don't feel a sense of being at odds with alpha types or Fe egos in anyway. I tried ISTp since it seemed like a possible alternative but I just can't see myself being Si dom and delta feels more like my opposing quadra. I do agree I'm more likely N than S. Perhaps I'm INTx with a case of EXTREME borderline value of the functions, thus the difficultly typing. I value Ti and Ni almost equally, slight preference for Ne over Te, Si and Fi equally, and am receptive to parts of both Fe and Se. As a whole I seem more irrational then rational but then again I feel Te fits better as the ignoring. Its like I meet in the middle and somehow become a "beta NT".
In all the socionics test I've taken, as unreliable as I know they are, I always score equally high with INTp and INTj.
Hmmm if I'd had to choose I'd say my speech tends to be more static. I'm infamously known by others for giving short and simple answers to their questions. If you look back at some of my previous post I do tend start and separate paragraphs using words such as First, Secondly, Next, Then, Lastly, but that may leftist/result speech instead of being static.
Last edited by Muddytextures; 08-23-2015 at 12:28 PM.
INTJ(Robespierre) - 275
INTP(Balzac) - 230
ENTP(Don Quixote) - 220
ISTP(Gabin) - 195
ISTJ(Maxim Gorky) - 180
INFP(Yesenin) - 155
ISFP(Dumas) - 150
ENFP(Huxley) - 150
ESTP(Zhukov) - 145
ENTJ(Jack London) - 140
INFJ(Dostoyevsky) - 140
ESTJ(Stirlitz) - 125
ISFJ(Dreiser) - 115
ESFJ(Hugo) - 105
ENFJ(Hamlet) - 90
ESFP(Napoleon) - 65
I don't know any ILIs who are ultimately money-motivated. The ILIs in my life are too anti-pretension to be materialistic in the proper sense. They appear financially competent, however.
The curse of quasi-identical mistyping.
Type: Balzac, Superid
Subtype: Robespierre, Superego
The intuitive logical introvert (ILI). The Critic. ILI have the ability to abstract and philosophical thinking, noticing contradictions in conclusions and pointing them to others (critics). There is always logical reasoning behind their conclusions. ILI are able to see the ways to get the profit, often they do not take the opportunity. They are naturally sceptical and can pour the cold water on someone whom they believe to be overenthusiastic. ILI are often sceptical about themselves and their own potential too. They appear to be shy, reserved and unenthusiastic.
The logical intuitive introvert (INTJ). The Analyst. LII are often perfectionists, see the world as a single structured system, where all the elements are logically interconnected. People of this type strain after order and logic in their own mind and around them. LII are able to pay attention to details and work accurately. They have very stiff principles and ideas of justice. These are based on their logic and therefore on the idea of fairness, but not on the moral rules of the society or family. They are ready to defend their principles and will not walk past something they see as injustice. LII put their principles higher than their own interests or interests of their family and the close ones. The Analysts are able to see multiple potential outcomes and are seeking knowledge in wide spectrum of topics. They prefer abstract theories and are a lot less interested in their practical implementation.
75% - Dynamics
2513% - Extraversion
63% - Rationality82% - Logics142% - Sensing
just from vibes, i want to say you seem more Ti base, and not Te creative. your vibe reminds me more of how i, as an Fe type, sometimes react to LIIs and LSIs - like i kind of want to shake them up with Fe, lol. whereas with ILI and SLI, i more often get the feeling i have to be "careful" and more constrained in my natural expressions when interacting with them (even though i don't always actually change my behavior).
this is just vibes so far, so maybe i'm assuming too much. but i would say yes, do continue to consider joining a Merry quadra ->
Descriptions are made for average case, anyway. They may be wrong too in something as are not experimentally proved.Someone should really clean that shit up if it isn't the case.
You need to feel this from people of delta, not just from descriptions. And also to feel "good" from beta. Then you'll have resonable basis to say such. ISTJ variant is not worst.I tried ISTp since it seemed like a possible alternative but I just can't see myself being Si dom and delta feels more like my opposing quadra.
If there is any truth to the plus/minus functions, there might be an explanation why I seem to value certain aspects Se. LII's HA is Si+/Se-. Se- is all about resisting the force of others and overthrowing oppressors, which is exactly the parts of Se I identify with. I have absolutely no desire to impose my own will over others, rather I feel a deep need to resist the forcefulness of others.
So, I'm thinking about officially going with LII. Everyone agree?
Last edited by Muddytextures; 08-23-2015 at 09:24 PM.
Lol go dualize with ESE already.I'd gladly take wild emotions over rough demanding behavior any day.
You do come off like @chips and underwear vibe-wise, to me.If I were LII that would also check out with me relating to alpha the most. All in all I am probably LII with a lower than usual rationality preference.
Yes LII with -Se can do exactly that thing. Sometimes.If there is any truth to the plus/minus functions, there might be an explanation why I seem value certain aspects of Se. LII's HA is Si+/Se-. Se- is all about resisting the force of others and overthrowing oppressors, which is exactly the parts of Se I identify with. I don't have the slightest desire to impose my own will over others, rather I feel a deep need to resist the forcefulness of others.
So, I thinking about officially going with LII. Everyone agree?
Sure try on LII and see.
I also prefer to use -Se over +Se. Another point for LII.
EII - INTj - Dostoyevsky -
No, it's not a typo!
Se polr at least with me seems to manifest as being very sensitive about having hostile attitudes directed towards me rather than just fear of purely physical danger. When I'm around strangers I am very cautious about anything that might provoke an aggressive response. Even just some random asshole on flipping me off on the road for not driving correctly is enough to ruin my day. I also seem to have trouble taking the initiative with things even when I know I need to. I have low determination and I am easily discouraged out of achieving my goals. I have difficulty tolerating bossy behavior and often get into conflicts with those who place a high demand on others.
At its very basic Se is a perceiving function. It doesn't have or provide a 'direction' by itself (like the 'direction' needed to tell you what to do and boss you around) - it merely allows a person to consider their perceptions in objective manner: it's "what is", not go do this or that.
Which types btw do you perceive as bossy besides LSEs?
You(again, this is directed at muddy) tend to receive information as is, right? That's why you sound so specific. I am positive that if I ran more S / N exercises that you'd come out on the S side. Again, I feel as if the modern typology pumped up some stuff up to 11. S / N are just information gathering tools. That's it! Nothing more, nothing less.