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    Example of a female SEE and her romantic behaviour.



    She even calls herself a predator and her crush a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Example of a female SEE and her romantic behaviour.



    She even calls herself a predator and her crush a victim.
    Sorry but I think not they instead are assertive and have neither doubt nor shame in declaring their interest. Instead, it's their dual ILI especially the guy who's got trouble declaring their interest.

    She seems like an introvert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupman View Post
    Sorry but I think not they instead are assertive and have neither doubt nor shame in declaring their interest. Instead, it's their dual ILI especially the guy who's got trouble declaring their interest.

    She seems like an introvert
    She didn't have any shame or doubt concerning her interest, she was simply excited about making the first move. It is expected of the man to make the first move, so when a woman does it it is out of the norm. Also, making the first move can be exciting in general, no matter what kind of person or type you are. The fact that she was determined to make the first move and ask him out, despite him not giving her any clear signs, speaks for her being a female Aggressor.

    What makes her seem like an introvert? She's very expressive and energetic, probably SEE-Fi.
    I suppose the Fi subtype makes her appear a bit introverted at times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Based on my experience and understanding of the type, SEE (or SLE) is genuinely drawn to this quiet energy doms possess. Maybe it is strange to describe it that way, but can be like a black hole to some degree, how their perceptions of the world get sucked in into the introspective mind of the person... is like the light and matter which is irrevocably attracted to the gravity of the black hole, and finds itself "falling" in/for it.
    That is the EP-IP temperament synergy, IPs have a quite, sedate energy to them that's flexible. The second part to this is their "introversion" behavioural introversion that has got a detached aura to it
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    My SEE relatives, my SEE sister in particular, just enjoy being around me. They certainly like advice on matters, but it is not what they are primarily looking for. (They'd value more if they were a rather strong subtype.) For them to enjoy my company, I don't even have to say much. They'll usually do the talking, hug me, flatter me to warm me up to them and the sensorial world around me. I could see their complimenting being their natural way of charming and relieving their ILI dual.

    Having said all that, I am sometimes surprised an SEE or SLE would be interested in such a person like I, one that can be rather timid when it comes romantic interaction. It simply must be the attraction of an Aggressor to a Victim type, I reckon.


    Given the dual of SEE is acting like a Pseudo-Aggressor, I could see them waiting for such behaviour from a Victim type. Moments when the ego type acts unlike themselves – suddenly shows interest, just to draw back to a great extent again.
    The romance styles aren't deterministically connected to type however assertive types do look for the devotees as complements.

    The pseudo-aggressor theory is actually broken and not really true but rather is just a contrived means to try to force ideas on to the theory. Observe enough people and even talk to some on this forum it'' become apparent that there is no determinstic connection between the romance styles and types. "Aggressors"(Assertors) can be intuitves too and ESE & SEE can also be infantiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    She didn't have any shame or doubt concerning her interest, she was simply excited about making the first move. It is expected of the man to make the first move, so when a woman does it it is out of the norm. Also, making the first move can be exciting in general, no matter what kind of person or type you are. The fact that she was determined to make the first move and ask him out, despite him not giving her any clear signs, speaks for her being a female Aggressor.

    What makes her seem like an introvert? She's very expressive and energetic, probably SEE-Fi.
    I suppose the Fi subtype makes her appear a bit introverted at times?
    SEE women are assertive with high energy, the introvert subtypes distorts the signal as Gulenko says but the overall behavioural outlook, the core type mission remains intact. That's assertive and dominative behaviour, F remains in play though distorted.

    Being expressive is more of a sign of emotionality rather than I or E, ethical types display emotionality (logical types only do it under Superego & Superid circumstances). Secondly observationally the sensing vs intuitive divide is best understood as the extrovert vs introvert behavioural display. (EIE, LIE, ILE, IEE are all introverts behaviourally detached and succumbed in mental ideas)

    As pure guess I'm inclined to think Jennifer Lawrence is in the ranges of SEI or ESI and on the lower probability SEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupman View Post
    The pseudo-aggressor theory is actually broken and not really true but rather is just a contrived means to try to force ideas on to the theory. Observe enough people and even talk to some on this forum it'' become apparent that there is no determinstic connection between the romance styles and styles. "Aggressors"(Assertors) can be intuitves too and ESE & SEE can also be infantiles.
    The secondary Romance style of Childlike is Aggressor and vice versa, and the secondary Romance Style of Victim is Caretaker and vice versa; this is based on the shared dynamic or static dichotomy.

    So yes,
    IEE-Fi and ILE-Ti will have moments of being "Aggressor-like", but in a playful way. (Not so much EII and LII, because of their PoLR.)
    SEE-Fi and SLE-Ti will have moments of being "Childlike" and playful, but in an aggressive way. (Not so much ESI and LSI, because of their PoLR.)
    IEI-Fe and ILI-Te will have moments of being "Caretaker-like", but in a self-conscious or passive way. (Not so much LIE and EIE, because of their PoLR.)
    SEI-Fe and SLI-Te will have moments of being "Victim-like", but in caring/nurturing or guiding way. (Not so much ESE and LSE, because of their PoLR.)

    Considering all this, it is indeed difficult to explain how Gamma NTs are "Pseudo-Aggressor", or Delta NFs "Pseudo-Caretaker".
    I have observed those behaviours in individuals of those types, so I find it to be true. I am wondering whether the key here is – valuing the most efficient or appropriate method.
    In that light, Gamma NTs see too much Victim behaviour and Delta NFs see too much Childlike behaviour as being inefficient, so they unconsciously try to be like the other style sporadically.
    But this is just a theory, I am really not sure why they have adopted a "Pseudo"-ness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupman View Post
    SEE women are assertive with high energy, the introvert subtypes distorts the signal as Gulenko says but the overall behavioural outlook, the core type mission remains intact. That's assertive and dominative behaviour, F remains in play though distorted.

    Being expressive is more of a sign of emotionality rather than I or E, ethical types display emotionality (logical types only do it under Superego & Superid circumstances). Secondly observationally the sensing vs intuitive divide is best understood as the extrovert vs introvert behavioural display. (EIE, LIE, ILE, IEE are all introverts behaviourally detached and succumbed in mental ideas)
    Yes, all ethical types display emotionality, however those with strong (4D) tend to display it the most and/or the most strongly, and I find this applies to Jennifer.
    She seems to display Demonstrative over Ignoring. You could argue she's got Creative Fe and is an SEI, however she seems to value , so that's out.

    When it comes to the expression of emotionality, I find to be the key; both its placement and its strength matters.

    From most to least outwardly expressive* (ime): ExFj > ExFp > IxFp > ExTp > ExTj > IxFj > IxTj > IxTp.

    * That means through facial expressions like laughing, smiling; variation of voice intonation.
    The louder, brighter, more varied and intense any of those elements, the more "outwardly expressive" the person.
    The more monotone the voice and sporadic or weak the facial expressions, the less "outwardly expressive" the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The secondary Romance style of Childlike is Aggressor and vice versa, and the secondary Romance Style of Victim is Caretaker and vice versa; this is based on the shared dynamic or static dichotomy.

    So yes,
    IEE-Fi and ILE-Ti will have moments of being "Aggressor-like", but in a playful way. (Not so much EII and LII, because of their PoLR.)
    SEE-Fi and SLE-Ti will have moments of being "Childlike" and playful, but in an aggressive way. (Not so much ESI and LSI, because of their PoLR.)
    IEI-Fe and ILI-Te will have moments of being "Caretaker-like", but in a self-conscious or passive way. (Not so much LIE and EIE, because of their PoLR.)
    SEI-Fe and SLI-Te will have moments of being "Victim-like", but in caring/nurturing or guiding way. (Not so much ESE and LSE, because of their PoLR.)

    Considering all this, it is indeed difficult to explain how Gamma NTs are "Pseudo-Aggressor", or Delta NFs "Pseudo-Caretaker".
    I have observed those behaviours in individuals of those types, so I find it to be true. I am wondering whether the key here is – valuing the most efficient or appropriate method.
    In that light, Gamma NTs see too much Victim behaviour and Delta NFs see too much Childlike behaviour as being inefficient, so they unconsciously try to be like the other style sporadically.
    But this is just a theory, I am really not sure why they have adopted a "Pseudo"-ness.
    This might be a very simple thought, but I actually believe it might be related to being either a rational/realistic person (the Gamma NTs) or a feeler (like the Delta NFs). Like Se and Ti will appear much more aggressive than Se and Fi, because they do not focus on feelings or emotional bonds between people in the way they go about things. Being a "thinker" does make someone appear colder in my opinion (at least at first glance). I as a feeler and victim might appear much more like a softie as I act based on my feelings and thus might appear much more flighty than a Gamma victim who bases their decisions on facts or rational thoughts (?).

    By the way.. even though I sometimes doubt the subtype theory, because I see quite a few qualities of the Fe-subtype within myself too, I thought that an INFp-Ni might actually look or behave more like a Pseudo-Aggressor, because they are closer to a Gamma Victim as Fe is surpressed more. Just as the Fe subtype might appear more motherly, since they are closer to Alpha Caregivers. Would SLEs-Se then look more like a Gamma Aggressor? Just some thoughts I had.

    And funnily I also thought Jennifer might be an SEE! Some of her facial expressions looked like the ones from SEEs I know. I kind of noticed that women might be typed the introverted subytpe more often, because in society we have to behave more calmly. Not sure though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaviTilki View Post
    This might be a very simpley thought, but I actually believe it might be related to being either a rational/realistic person (the Gamma NTs) or a feeler (like the Delta NFs). Like Se and Ti will appear much more aggressive than Se and Fi, because they do not focus on feelings or emotional bonds between people int he way they go about things. Being a "thinker" does make someone appear colder in my opinion (at least at first glance). I as a feeler and victim might appear much more like a softie as I act based on my feelings and thus might appear much more flighty than a Gamma victim who bases their decisions on facts or rational thoughts (?).

    By the way.. even though I sometimes doubt the subtype theory, because I see quite a few qualities of the Fe-subtype within myself too, I thought that an INFp-Ni might actually look or behave more like an Pseudo-Aggressor, because they are closer to a Gamma Victim as Fe is surpressed more. Just as the Fe subtype might appear more motherly, since they are closer to Alpha Caregivers. Would SLEs-Se then look more like a Gamma Aggressor? Just some thoughts I had.

    And funnily I also thought Jennifer might be an SEE! Some of her facial expressions looked like the ones from SEEs I know. I kind of noticed that women might be typed the introverted subytpe more often, because in society we have to behave more calmly. Not sure though.
    Your first point is interesting... boiling it down to the Logical vs Ethical dichotomy.

    I could see that working for the Gamma NTs, but not so much for the Delta NFs. If Caretaker behaviour was inherently "soft" or more "ethical"-like, then why aren't Caretakers Pseudo-Childlike? Or are they... I've actually started calling female Gamma SFs (mostly the ESIs) "Pseudo Victim"... Generally I have found that the "Pseudo Aggressor" applies the best to LIE, not really to ILI; and "Pseudo Caretaker" applies the best to EII, not really to IEE. This has something to do with HA vs Dual Seeking, probably; the HA is more "active" and stronger than the Dual-seeking... It seems like to me the Pseudo-ness has something to do with the HA and applies to those types that value Te-Fi; at least that has been my experience. So... LIE is Pseudo-Aggressor, ESI is Pseudo-Victim, EII is Pseudo-Caretaker, LSE is Pseudo-Childlike... Needless to say, the Pseudo-stuff is a bit complex.

    Your idea concerning the subtypes isn't bad, however the more boosted the Ni, the more Victim the person will be. This is the general principle. So even though an IEI-Ni has "weakened" Fe in comparison to IEI-Fe, they are the most Victim in the entire Socion. ILI-Ni would be the second most Victim. As I said, having boosted Ni makes you automatically more Victim. By that logic, an IEI-Ni couldn't be closer to Pseudo-Aggressor in their romantic/sexual behaviour, even though they may seem like a fake INTx when it comes to certain other (non-romantic) situations or their "vibe". Again, it is not the Rational IEs that determine Romance style; hence "weakened" Fe doesn't result in being like a Gamma. SLE-Se are the most Aggressor; yes, they can appear to be like SEEs when it comes to their overall "vibe", because of the "boosted" Fe; but their strong Se will prevent them from acting like a "Pseudo-victim" or anything of that sort.

    I've found that most extroverts are the introverted Contact subtype, actually. I am not sure why. Is it really so simplistic and boils down to most extroverts wanting literally to engage in more "contact" with the outside world and other people...? It is much more difficult to find an extrovert with the extroverted (Inert) subtype, than an introvert with it. Most Inert (first function) subtype individuals are introverted, in my experience. And this has applied to all genders, sexual orientations, etc. One interesting thing is that most if not all introverts I've typed who are celebrities (aka in the entertainment industry etc.) are extroverted Contact subtype. But that makes sense; it would be difficult to come very far as a full-blown introvert in such an environment.
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    I don't buy that Gamma NTs are "pseudo-aggressors"... but how they act is explained well in Stratiyevskaya's Quadra Complexes:

    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...onal_relations.

    It seems like what they do is muddle themselves and their partners in an intricate web of Ni chaos and confusion. Sometimes Beta NFs do the same thing, but they're more confident in ethical matters. And they keep digging and digging themselves into holes until no one can possibly make any decisions, especially their partners.

    But often people get tired of them and eventually kick them out:

    In ethical situations, they, as a rule, do not succeed in this.

    A classic example of this inability to orient and navigate a complicated ethical situation is provided by the famous literary character Eugene Onegin (ILI, Balzac) – the hero of the eponymous novel in verses of Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin.

    Not wishing to be bound by vows and striving under any conditions to be on top of the situation, Onegin by all means and methods tries to distance himself from Tatiana and performs a variety of actions (seemingly chaotic and controversial), that for him have irreversible and fatal consequences, as a result of which he makes Tatiana become a victim of circumstances, and himself falls victim of his own arbitrariness, that makes the so desired by him future closeness and reunification with Tatiana - impossible.

    Getting carried away honing of his own "defensive capabilities" in the framework of the protection of personal freedoms and interests, ILI Balzac (introverted "negativist" "tactical" TIM) often becomes a prisoner of his own defenses. From time to time he sets up tests to check the strength of his "armor", allowing one of the potential partners to get close to him and then inviting them to destroy it as an obstacle. As a prize, he appears to them as a sort of "fairy-tale prince, imprisoned in The Black Tower" – kind, sympathetic, but very lonely man, endowed with many good qualities and advantages.

    Following this, the ILI becomes a prisoner of his own loneliness, when after several long and fruitless attempts to "save" him many of his partners abandon all further efforts, considering this to be a hopeless waste of time. They leave him to himself, break off relations with him, and let him to continue to languish in the shell of his loneliness.
    Well! It seems like no one is happy in the Gamma quadra.
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    I actually met quite a few IEEs with very motherly tendencies.. also many SEE girls I know are submissive and "soft"/"motherly" in a way. At least in their every day life like described. Quite a few EIIs I know do not seem that 'caring' to me. My mother, who is an ESE-Fe, does have something very playful and childlike actually. A very funky humour, too. ESE-Si much less and they are much more serious and intellectual.. more like the "Teachers". 'Feelings' are seen as feminine and 'rational thoughts' are seen as masculine, that's why I had these thoughts.

    I would have considered myself an INFp-Ni (and some friends who typed me said it suits me better as well), but I definitely see myself as the 'arrogant' victim, like to some guys I seem very soft and cute in the beginning.. and I barely take the initiative, at least when I am attracted to them, but at the same time I have a very arrogant and aggressive side about me that some men, whom I didn't find attractive but hit on me or something felt. Hard to describe, haha. Maybe it's just an age thing.

    Oh well I believe I met quite a few inert-subtypes to be honest. SLE-Se, ESE-Fe, IEE-Ne, EIE-Fe (they really have an 'almost' ESE vibe going on) and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Damn, what a lucky bastard. Well, so long as you weren't "too" aggressive that is. The general culture doesn't want to admit it but it is possible for the girl to hit the gas too hard if ya catch my meaning. Victim types don't mind at all (and will likely find it very hot) and aggressors will call you out on it before you hit that point but pushing an infantile or caregiver too hard can traumatize em'. They're just not equipped to handle it well sadly. The aggressor approach scares infantiles yet turns on a victim like nothing else. I guess it's quadra values in the end. The victim/aggressor quadras are basically at war with the infantile/caregiver quadras. Thus, they are romantically incompatible on a subconscious level.
    I do find aggressive behaviour hot, at the same time it intimidates me.. but I subconsciously do not want it to end (I also need time to think, because too much Se at once can be so overwhelming and I clam up).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I don't buy that Gamma NTs are "pseudo-aggressors"... but how they act is explained well in Stratiyevskaya's Quadra Complexes:

    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...onal_relations.

    It seems like what they do is muddle themselves and their partners in an intricate web of Ni chaos and confusion. Sometimes Beta NFs do the same thing, but they're more confident in ethical matters. And they keep digging and digging themselves into holes until no one can possibly make any decisions, especially their partners.

    But often people get tired of them and eventually kick them out:



    Well! It seems like no one is happy in the Gamma quadra.
    But that´s ILIs, LIEs are a lot more straightforward.

    But yes, you should listen to me and my ILI friend talking about how to manage relationships. Indeed it´s something similar to what Strats describes. But we never really apply it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Yes, all ethical types display emotionality, however those with strong (4D) tend to display it the most and/or the most strongly, and I find this applies to Jennifer.
    She seems to display Demonstrative over Ignoring. You could argue she's got Creative Fe and is an SEI, however she seems to value , so that's out.

    When it comes to the expression of emotionality, I find to be the key; both its placement and its strength matters.

    From most to least outwardly expressive* (ime): ExFj > ExFp > IxFp > ExTp > ExTj > IxFj > IxTj > IxTp.

    * That means through facial expressions like laughing, smiling; variation of voice intonation.
    The louder, brighter, more varied and intense any of those elements, the more "outwardly expressive" the person.
    The more monotone the voice and sporadic or weak the facial expressions, the less "outwardly expressive" the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaviTilki View Post
    I do find aggressive behaviour hot, at the same time it intimidates me.. but I subconsciously do not want it to end (I also need time to think, because too much Se at once can be so overwhelming and I clam up).
    You probably clam up because it feels "too good to be true" as it were. That's the drawback of having in the ego block, and why we like the aggressors. We throw up a roadblock, and they plow through it just like we hoped they would. One of the researchers in this field said that a good example of victim behavior is that the victim, upon checking into a hotel, insists their partner sleeps in a separate room and pays for it. However, they'll slip the key to their room into the "aggressor's" suite. The hope being, of course, that they get the hint, intrude into the room of the victim, and get cuddly and lovey with them despite any further protests.

    I can tell you that if I did pull that stunt and the girl actually did that I'd spend the next week thinking about how I'd propose marriage to her. Sometimes ya just gotta stop worrying and go all in y'know. If the SO passes a Shit Test of that magnitude ya gotta start thinking about rings on fingers, just sayin'...

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    SEE-Se romance style in a nutshell:



    A SEE man I dated for a few years was basically exactly like this.
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    I always HATED Pepe Le Pew! Chasing after someone who wants to be chased is one thing. THAT is another.
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    I always found Pepe Le Pew quite amusing. Overtly in love just because of ... and hounding it out as long as possible. Seems quite SEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    You probably clam up because it feels "too good to be true" as it were. That's the drawback of having in the ego block, and why we like the aggressors. We throw up a roadblock, and they plow through it just like we hoped they would. One of the researchers in this field said that a good example of victim behavior is that the victim, upon checking into a hotel, insists their partner sleeps in a separate room and pays for it. However, they'll slip the key to their room into the "aggressor's" suite. The hope being, of course, that they get the hint, intrude into the room of the victim, and get cuddly and lovey with them despite any further protests.

    I can tell you that if I did pull that stunt and the girl actually did that I'd spend the next week thinking about how I'd propose marriage to her. Sometimes ya just gotta stop worrying and go all in y'know. If the SO passes a Shit Test of that magnitude ya gotta start thinking about rings on fingers, just sayin'...
    Ahahaha that shit test is so true though, someone who shows that much initiative and will to pull through 'deserves' a reward. It's really a way to make sure the other person is interested and really wants you. No half-assery.

    At the same time I remember some non-aggressor guy, who found me interesting from a distance, but since I always clam up in a 'hunt' (due to inexperience and shyness) and since I didn't have the balls to go any further myself, it cooled down to just awkward smiles in the corridor (he was an INFj guy, I believe). For example he tried to stand beside me in a group setting (to finally talk to me I guess), but since it was so obvious and too many other people around make me nervous when it's about an exposing moment like that even though it's just talking (at least for me..because I can feel the interest of the other person) I just unobtrusively positioned myself next to another person.. we played that game a few times, then we had to go inside a hall where our university class was waiting in front of. After a few more glances and awkward moments I think he gave up lol. But I actually felt right from the beginning that his 'softness' might not really be my thing in the long run, so I was very flaky and doubtful about him from the get go (IEI moments haha).

    Same happened with an SLE guy, because he only knew me for a few hours, even though he tried really hard, I am the kind of person who cannot decide within a few hours in a pressuring and unfamiliar atmosphere (like alone on a party, sober and tired as fuck, attractive guy attention.. too much input.. I am slow and doubting on deciding.. which sucks for one time chances lel). Thus coming across like a very boring and uptight nerd, because overwhelming situations. I believe SLEs really have to be exposed to an IEI for a long time to see their good qualities, to really hunt them down (if there is no sexual interaction, which reels them in sooner).
    Had this with an SLE guy who apparently liked me for years and didn't forget about me after high school either, besides knowing so many of my bad sides too. When I found out or realised he had a thing for me, I actually felt a lot of admiration, like "Wow someone knows about so many of my bad sides, yet they like and 'watch' me.. that's so cool.. and kinda cute". I really admire persistent people.

    But yes oh my goodness do I feel like running when someone shows interest in me and yet I am so excited at the inside. Very twisted feelings, haha. Also it might just be me, but I feel like I cannot speak when confronted with someone "attractive", who shows romantic interest in me. I become very awkward lmao. I do not have problem talking to and entertaining people, whom I just see in a friends way or who show no interest in me.. but as soon as I feel like the other person might want to get closer to the real me it feels as if all these hidden expectations are waiting for me (might just be me and my age though and not related to socionics at all lol).
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    Long post.
    I resonate with a lot of what you wrote there, too.
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    @Suz when I wasn't part of this forum yet, I read your story about you meeting your dual (SLE) in a work environment. The things you talked about, especially the SLE piercing eyes, which stare you down (it's weird but their cold and beautiful eyes, I can feel them going right through me.. even when I am in dreamy mode lol). I really related to that too. I saw you switching between Beta and Delta, but actually.. the story back then helped me to understand SLE behaviour even better, it lined up with some of my experiences as well. You might really be an IEI after all. ;D

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    @MaviTilki: The feelings of blank headedness and sudden awkwardness around Attractive People(tm) are just a human thing. The rest can be your disturbed* Ni-dom shit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    @MaviTilki: The feelings of blank headedness and sudden awkwardness around Attractive People(tm) are just a human thing. The rest can be your disturbed* Ni-dom shit though.

    *I do kid.
    Hahaha yeah it actually comes across as very fucked up.. some of that Ni-dom behaviour :'''D the flakiness level is high. I prefer to obsess over random strangers than really be reeled in.. lmao (sounds so sad right hahaha). I guess only a Se dom.. especially SLE would make it interesting as they seem so comlicated and thrilling themselves it would really be exciting to experience a thing with them.
    And yeah I guess that blank headedness and black out thing is just a general thing.. combined with my age and the inexperience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaviTilki View Post
    @Suz when I wasn't part of this forum yet, I read your story about you meeting your dual (SLE) in a work environment. The things you talked about, especially the SLE piercing eyes, which stare you down (it's weird but their cold and beautiful eyes, I can feel them going right through me.. even when I am in dreamy mode lol). I really related to that too. I saw you switching between Beta and Delta, but actually.. the story back then helped me to understand SLE behaviour even better, it lined up with some of my experiences as well. You might really be an IEI after all. ;D
    Yeah maybe. I've since typed alpha SF for about 2.5 years now, leaning SEI currently, but that thought has definitely crossed my mind.

    when i came to the forum I self-typed IEI because i "converted" my fairly reliable MBTI typing of INFJ to socionics INFp per socionics.com suggestion, but at the time i didn't resonate much with some of the other betas i was interacting with and some were downright nasty & abusive (although i did bond quite a bit with another IEI - redbaron). However, since then i've come to realize that people can mistype themselves and others, and other psychiatric conditions including various personality disorders may have made the toxic individuals come across the way they did as well. I've also since found resonance with other people who self-type beta over the years - golden, aylen, to name a couple people who come immediately to mind (Pink, if she's actually beta). I've also come to realize that the way i perceive certain concepts may not be the way the perception was intended... so i've given up on definitively typing myself (and others).

    I do remember that "stare of passion" that guy had given me, like it was yesterday. thanks for reminding it about it - it is a nice memory. I got scared and shy when that happened, but if he had persisted, he would have found out I really did like him a lot and we could have been together. He didn't though -- maybe he had his reasons -- we were much too different (he was an ex frat boy, heavy drinker), and i was going to be movng away in a couple months. It's been almost 8 years since then, and a lot has happened - he's gotten in trouble with the law because of his alcohol abuse, and he's not the kind of guy I'd want to be around anymore, so maybe it's for the better. That said, if we ended up together, maybe he would be healthier. Or maybe I would be miserable. Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
    Yeah maybe. I've since typed alpha SF for about 2.5 years now, leaning SEI currently, but that thought has definitely crossed my mind.

    when i came to the forum I self-typed IEI because i "converted" my fairly reliable MBTI typing of INFJ to socionics INFp per socionics.com suggestion, but at the time i didn't resonate much with some of the other betas i was interacting with and some were downright nasty & abusive (although i did bond quite a bit with another IEI - redbaron). However, since then i've come to realize that people can mistype themselves and others, and other psychiatric conditions including various personality disorders may have made the toxic individuals come across the way they did as well. I've also since found resonance with other people who self-type beta over the years - golden, aylen, to name a couple people who come immediately to mind (Pink, if she's actually beta). I've also come to realize that the way i perceive certain concepts may not be the way the perception was intended... so i've given up on definitively typing myself (and others).

    I do remember that "stare of passion" that guy had given me, like it was yesterday. thanks for reminding it about it - it is a nice memory. I got scared and shy when that happened, but if he had persisted, he would have found out I really did like him a lot and we could have been together. He didn't though -- maybe he had his reasons -- we were much too different (he was an ex frat boy, heavy drinker), and i was going to be movng away in a couple months. It's been almost 8 years since then, and a lot has happened - he's gotten in trouble with the law because of his alcohol abuse, and he's not the kind of guy I'd want to be around anymore, so maybe it's for the better. That said, if we ended up together, maybe he would be healthier. Or maybe I would be miserable. Who knows.
    That last part sounds very familiar to me. Most SLEs in real life are heavy partiers.. at least the ones I met. There might be exceptions obviously. They also have that bad boy image. But I also believe they long for someone 'purer' and different ..more innocent than them. They actually prefer cute girls. It's really interesting when you read about them talking about what they like in girls etc. They might seem like the guys who prefer *insert heavy stereotype* blonde, promiscous party girls.. but actually they do not when it comes to real stuff. They actually have a thing for weirdos lol.

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