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    An INFp would ideally like to marry someone with a large bank account. They believe money is a more important consideration than love when viewing a long term relationship. "Money is the key to long term happiness".

    An INFj would ideally like to marry someone they are in love with. They believe love is a more important consideration than money when viewing a long term relationship. "Love is the key to long term happiness".

    Is the above correct?

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    I've heard stories of INFps marrying for money but in your description INFps sound pretty unromantic. I guess INFps too would ideally marry for love. Perhaps they are more interested about the bank account than INFjs then but I don't know. INFjs have ESTj as dual who usually has a pretty big bank account anyways

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    yeah... I can't imagine many people, particularly ethical types, saying they'd rather marry for money than love
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefana
    You are not allowed to be the good guy with bad ass qualities.
    Is that about me?

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    I can't say anything for INFps, but I think I'm close enough to comment.

    I will marry for love. I would not marry for money. But I would not marry someone who is constantly flat broke. Money is not a reason to marry someone, but it is a reason why not marry someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    An INFp would ideally like to marry someone with a large bank account. They believe money is a more important consideration than love when viewing a long term relationship. "Money is the key to long term happiness".
    I highly doubt it.
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    This is far from being even remotely type-related.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    This is far from being even remotely type-related.
    Gulenko would disgaree with you.

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    I disagree with the INFp part.

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    I think INFps would probably not admit to it because it would make them look like "gold diggers".

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    And I would disagree with Gulenko.

    I could never imagine being a woman's boy-toy just because she's filthy rich. Maybe for the sex, and of course the love, but not the money. It's degrading and irresponsible.

    Anyway, I have no doubt that part of Gulenko's description is aimed rathely decidedly at late-20th century Russian female representatives of these types. People seem to forget the culture gap when dealing with these (relatively old) Russian descriptions. Gender expectations in Russia were (and still are) quite different from those here in the West, not to mention the economic make-up of the society. I expect most INFps (female and male alike) would probably be just slightly offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    And I would disagree with Gulenko.

    I could never imagine being a woman's boy-toy just because she's filthy rich. Maybe for the sex, and of course the love, but not the money. It's degrading and irresponsible.

    Anyway, I have no doubt that part of Gulenko's description is aimed rathely decidedly at late-20th century Russian female representatives of these types. People seem to forget the culture gap when dealing with these (relatively old) Russian descriptions. Gender expectations in Russia were (and still are) quite different from those here in the West, not to mention the economic make-up of the society. I expect most INFps (female and male alike) would probably be just slightly offended.
    I very much agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    People seem to forget the culture gap when dealing with these (relatively old) Russian descriptions. Gender expectations in Russia were (and still are) quite different from those here in the West, not to mention the economic make-up of the society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    And I would disagree with Gulenko.

    I could never imagine being a woman's boy-toy just because she's filthy rich. Maybe for the sex, and of course the love, but not the money. It's degrading and irresponsible.

    Anyway, I have no doubt that part of Gulenko's description is aimed rathely decidedly at late-20th century Russian female representatives of these types. People seem to forget the culture gap when dealing with these (relatively old) Russian descriptions. Gender expectations in Russia were (and still are) quite different from those here in the West, not to mention the economic make-up of the society. I expect most INFps (female and male alike) would probably be just slightly offended.
    You also have to take into account that during the late 20th century the only rich people were the mafia boys, which of course were all ESTps since only estps are criminal, and therefore they just shortcuted to their duals. Gulenko, being INTj, didn't notice this obvious fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    And I would disagree with Gulenko.

    I could never imagine being a woman's boy-toy just because she's filthy rich. Maybe for the sex, and of course the love, but not the money. It's degrading and irresponsible.

    Anyway, I have no doubt that part of Gulenko's description is aimed rathely decidedly at late-20th century Russian female representatives of these types. People seem to forget the culture gap when dealing with these (relatively old) Russian descriptions. Gender expectations in Russia were (and still are) quite different from those here in the West, not to mention the economic make-up of the society. I expect most INFps (female and male alike) would probably be just slightly offended.
    You also have to take into account that during the late 20th century the only rich people were the mafia boys, which of course were all ESTps since only estps are criminal, and therefore they just shortcuted to their duals. Gulenko, being INTj, didn't notice this obvious fact.

    Ok ok ok, stop fabie.
    I was going to mention the same thing. If a person has tons of money there is a big likelihood they're ESTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    And I would disagree with Gulenko.

    I could never imagine being a woman's boy-toy just because she's filthy rich. Maybe for the sex, and of course the love, but not the money. It's degrading and irresponsible.

    Anyway, I have no doubt that part of Gulenko's description is aimed rathely decidedly at late-20th century Russian female representatives of these types. People seem to forget the culture gap when dealing with these (relatively old) Russian descriptions. Gender expectations in Russia were (and still are) quite different from those here in the West, not to mention the economic make-up of the society. I expect most INFps (female and male alike) would probably be just slightly offended.
    You also have to take into account that during the late 20th century the only rich people were the mafia boys, which of course were all ESTps since only estps are criminal, and therefore they just shortcuted to their duals. Gulenko, being INTj, didn't notice this obvious fact.

    Ok ok ok, stop fabie.
    I was going to mention the same thing. If a person has tons of money there is a big likelihood they're ESTp.
    Not vice versa though eehh
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    I think Gulenko has made a fair point, because as is the polr of an INFp they are more likely than other socionic types to run into financial problems, and as a result would want that worry to be removed by marrying someone rich. Love just wouldn't be adequate when looking for spouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    I think Gulenko has made a fair point, because as is the polr of an INFp they are more likely than other socionic types to run into financial problems, and as a result would want that worry to be removed by marrying someone rich. Love just wouldn't be adequate when looking for spouse.
    Non-sequitor is your friend, my dead. There is a certain thresold of money which removes financial problems, which does not equal being rich.

    Anyways:

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)

    wtf ESFJ>ESTP INTP ENTP ESFP??????
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    where did you get that list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    where did you get that list?
    an MBTI site, but let's suppose that since the sample is large, the results can be thought as significant
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    dual household incomes:

    ENTJ/ISFJ $148,304
    ESFJ /INTJ $146,925
    ENFJ/ISTJ $142,080
    ESTJ/INFJ $140,610
    ISTP/ENFP $133,559
    ESTP/INFP $130,888
    INTP/ESFP $128,153
    ISFP/ENTP $127,126

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    heh I just noticed that the rational type duals are the top 4
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    Hmmm, so where is my $72 grand and Daniel's $69 grand? (I secretly get pleasure at the fact that I'm supposed to make more than him)

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    adjusted for socionics:

    ENTj/ISFj $148,600
    ESFj/INTj $139,754
    ENFj/ISTj $138,409
    ESTj/INFj $137,803
    ENFp/ISTp $137,230
    ESFp/INTp $135,324
    ESTp/INFp $133,695
    ENTp/ISFp $126,830

    This cannot be US dollars...

    anyways, the rational duals are still in the top 4

    this is an interesting order... I would have thought that ENFj would be higher
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    an MBTI site, but let's suppose that since the sample is large, the results can be thought as significant
    What if people who have different sorts tend to earn higher/lower? It's interesting, though we aren't much enough to make our own statistic.
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    I also think this could possibly change in different cultures.
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    When I first read the INFp gold digger thing, I was baffled. I tried my hardest to imaging a situation in which I would only marry a man for his money, and not for love... it didn’t settle well in my thoughts at all.

    Also, INFp’s are not always that bad with money...
    my dad being an INFp does quite well; and to tell you the truth I think his last wife (ESFj) was much more of a gold digger than any INFp would even think of being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    I think Gulenko has made a fair point, because as is the polr of an INFp they are more likely than other socionic types to run into financial problems, and as a result would want that worry to be removed by marrying someone rich. Love just wouldn't be adequate when looking for spouse.
    Non-sequitor is your friend, my dead. There is a certain thresold of money which removes financial problems, which does not equal being rich.

    Anyways:

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)

    wtf ESFJ>ESTP INTP ENTP ESFP??????
    Cause ESFj's never stop working?

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    I can't imagine the INFPs I know wanting to marry for money. They're more likely than INFJs but not really. Perhaps very very very subconsciously if they're in love with two people and one's got loads of cash, they'll chose the one with the cash while INFJs would make a con/pro list. But it's not like they lack more morals than INFJs. Perhaps...there are some bad egg INFPs who are gold diggers and somehow made that impression on somebody. To me, personality determines someone who would marry for money.
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    I'm gonna end up being poor it seems

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    isn't your wife ENTj or ESFj?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    isn't your wife ENTj or ESFj?
    Well...today we went through dichotomies and they suggested she is actually ENTj so good point Together we gonna be middle-class then. That kind of sounds bad too though

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    so fix it
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    When you add up those incomes with the debt that people are in these days it comes to alot less.

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    yeah... someone who earns $250,000 can have a lot more financial problems than someone who earns $25,000.
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    Basically, what I'm saying is that INFps find more long term security in money, whereas INFjs find more long term security in love.

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    My INFP sister is married to an ESTJ and he drives her crazy with his conservation of money, electricity, time... everything. When I say conservation I mean he is TIGHT even by my (tightwad) standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    My INFP sister is married to an ESTJ


    Do you mean your INFp sister is currently married to an ESTj?
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    go check out the thread in "what's my type"
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