Not enough information for me to form an opinion.
Why not just have him take an on-line test, like this one:
You can tell him it's just for fun, and it won't affect your relationship at all.
Or tell him that it will help you be a better partner for him.
Re-reading your description, he could be either IEI or LII, as you say. I'm trying to think of the best way to tell them apart, short of introducing them to their conflictors. I would say that the LII prefers theory backed up somewhat by facts and figures, and the IEI prefers to think about multiple future possibilities that they almost never can make happen by themselves. Other than that, they are very similar, imo, when viewed from a distance and over a short time.
One other thing, the IEI admires and wants to influence someone who is strong and gets things done, and the LII wants someone to take care of them, mostly health-wise.
It is strange, that when I see the two types in person, they are as different as night and day, but I can't describe that difference. Maybe the IEI looks fragile, while the LII looks tougher or blockier somehow.
wondering if LSI is a possibility, because you mention traits such as formality, responsibility, and organization, and the calming effect you have on each other. ime LSIs can often restrain themselves in social situations, and their Se may not be immediately obvious. maybe EII is possible too - i think NF tastes in music, film, etc. can sometimes overlap despite the quadra value differences. i think IEI isn't out of the question or anything, though. his tastes seem kinda Aristocratic for me to think LII, but i guess that's possible too.
sorry for not being much help on this (:
LOL sorry, sorry.... if it's any consolation, i too have had interest in a few EII males before, even with full knowledge of socionics. it's probably not too surprising of an occurrence. i know i can have really good conversations with EIIs. like i notice we often have already come to the same conclusions on something, but massively differ on how we reached those conclusions - and that's where the discussion can turn into an argument, lol. but yea EII guys can have an "elegant" kind of handsomeness that can be attractive sometimes (but more often i'm attracted to Ti-ego guys )
ummmm it's hard to articulate what i mean about the Aristocratic overlap (and you can take what i say with a grain of salt, since it's kind of anecdotal). the way Betas and Deltas can get passionate about something, and group together to push for certain "causes" is one thing, and sometimes you come across Aristocrats in the same group or organization, or something like that. i think this is where Club (NF, ST, etc.) similarities come in. people in the same club are said to occupy the same "occupational" spaces, and are really good groups for idea exchange, discussion, conversation, etc. but they're not that great for working together (which is why you need your quadra...) and like i said, i notice a lot of Aristocrats will have overlapping tastes in entertainments and the arts (e.g. i know an off-beat LSE lady who absolutely LOVES Lady Gaga ), but i'm not totally sure why this is tbh.
he stills sounds like he could be IEI though, i wouldn't rule it out at all. maybe just roll with it, keep seeing him and see what happens? you might notice more type-related things if you get in some kind of difficult, challenging situation together. e.g. like i've noticed sometimes that if two INxx types are together doing something, and there's suddenly a need for one to mobilize and take initiative, both INxx types might hesitate, until one realizes that "oh, SOMEBODY'S got to do it!" and does it. whereas if they had an ESxx type with them, the ESxx probably would've naturally jumped in and taken care of the issue.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I listen to almost all of the bands you listed and I'm LIE.
lol.. I'm not saying other types don't listen to those bands ever.. just IME it's usually IEIs and yeah now that you mention it, mostly intuitive types in general.. Also .. are you REALLY into that kind of music or just listen to it here and there but aren't all about it...
It probably is more related to big 5 trait of Openness though, to be fair
I'm into a LOT of music, but most of the bands on the list have been my binge bands at some point. I come back to most of them quite a lot, too.
FWIW, I've always seen you as over-exaggerated. And to me, I actually prefer less over-exaggerating, even though I'm meant to be Fe hidden agenda. (WHICH DOES NOT MEAN FLAT)
I myself can be flat or animated in normal interactions. Tending towards flat with people I don't know, and animated with people I do. More so with less animated people, less so if with more animated. (but flat would be baseline)
But as a logical type I'm more interested in other people being animated. And in purposeful ways.
Maybe just give it some time... or be less animated yourself and see what he does.
I definitely know I come across that way.. weirdly enough, I only notice it after I stumble upon older posts I've made and actually kind of cringe haha, eek. I realize how extra cheesy I'm sounding but I most assuredly talk and type the same way, so you have a point that some people really just don't do that when typing. When I calm down a bit, it's still really comfortable and feels natural. Now that you mention it, he does become more animated when I become less.
On another note, I'm still wondering if I'm just IEI-Fe or EIE.
Show us a picture of him. Quickly!
My guess so far is ILI-Ni. But I need to understand the Fe part more here before I can say ILI or LSI or LII or whatever for sure
edit: Why not LII, btw?
Last edited by Myst; 07-25-2015 at 12:25 AM.
Given the properties of your interaction that you describe, yeah why not consider LSI? There are descriptions floating around of a subtype where the Se-cre shows itself in dutifulness, organisation and stubbornness, rather than aggression. Read around descriptions of the types suggested itt imo.
Reason is a whore.
*ducks and runs*
More seriously, I was just mentioning what I'd do at this point I'm sure the description could point to other types than LSI but it seems remiss to not check that option (because it's like, jackpot - also if you're right on the first guess it's 50-50 on saving a lot of time) and if necessary discard like an ill-fitting sock on your way to other ideas.
Reason is a whore.
He is super attractive. He definitely looks Ixxx.
Which isn't any help.
Keep seeing him and see how it plays out. ;p.
Edit: I'll add this here from chatbox: So IEI works if that's really the feel you get about the type of relation with him. Just weird to me that you said they need the Fe a lot. Like, it's in their ego already, no? To which you said, he was only initially shy and the Fe banter is easy now between you two. ...Hmm. I'd say focus a bit more on whether that Fe is really in ego or not to verify IEI over LII.
How is usually your relations with LIIs compared to this guy if you have any LII-related experience yet?
Lol well sure.. I still say better stay in touch with realityEdited: Also I know it would not change anything really but it's obvious that people want to think they're with their dual or whatever, right..?
Last edited by Myst; 07-29-2015 at 02:58 AM.
subtype IEI is very disorganized like your SEE-Se ex, take a look at this:
Intuitive subtype INFp-Ni
Description by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov
"Dislikes routine, monotony, stereotypes, conventionality, strict order, having to follow rules and regulations."
"In his apartment or at his workplace may allow for creative mess and disorganization."
"finds it difficult and tiring to handle organizational functions."
"He seems torn from reality, inert and poorly adapted to life."
"Being practical, thrifty, and calculating is not in his nature, due to which he misses some major opportunities."
my 2 cents so far into the thread IxTj forms a more vivid impression
He's really attractive, @ScarlettLux
As an IEI, my last relationship was with an EIE (a rather unhealthy one, mind you). In the beginning he did all the initiating in texting and hanging out, but he wouldn't make a physical move. I was the one who ended up kissing him first because it became apparent to me that he feared the rejection. We hung out awkwardly for months before I made a move. As soon as I kissed him, it kind of sealed the deal that we were together in his mind (whereas I was still on the fence). I'm not sure if this a common issue in victim-victim relationships.
I have another EIE friend who also initiated hanging out, etc. and I could tell he wanted to make moves on me in the past (even falsely assuming that I was his girlfriend once, which was awkward) but he wouldn't do it forwardly. He'd always make obvious gestures though, like trying to get drunk together and sleep in the same room. I'm glad nothing ever happened between us, though... I'd never want to ruin that friendship.
This is so different from the SEE's and SLE's in my life who've been so forward with me sexually. They never leave any questions or play any games.
Anyway, I think IEI's can definitely be sexually aggressive while actually in relationships... Not so much in the courting stages though. I think we naturally expect a Se partner to take charge first.
Sounds LII, Rational + Se Polr and Fi normative + introverted + Fe seeking.
This article is interesting, and might give you some useful tells when you read it. Alpha's LII, SEI - are his embraces more of a melt-into-you, or, IEI, Beta: does he SQUEEZE you? Or, EII - he tells you stories of his sufferings?
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"