Hi I'm Jessica

[summerprincess]

I'm a Gemini turning 19 soon! I made an account here awhile ago but lost it and had hardly used it so I thought why not make this one and be an active member. I'm trying to figure out my type so if anyone has any ideas that would be cool. Right now I'm a part time student and I will soon be taking intensive arabic classes! I love looking up interesting topics, languages, reading, traveling as much as I can, smoking hookah, doing relaxing things and I drink way too much caffeine. Nice meeting everybody!

[Sol]

Your photo gives me EII / INFJ impression.

[Capitalist Pig]

I made an account here awhile ago but lost it and had hardly used it so I thought why not make this one and be an active member.

[summerprincess]

Your photo gives me EII / INFJ impression.

If you read my questionnaire does it still seem like that? I haven't gotten that a lot

[Sol]

If you read my questionnaire does it still seem like that?

Generally, to be sure in type I use video, not photos. So I'm not sure in INFJ, but see this as significant possibility.
I prefer nonverbal-intutive method and trust it more than what people say. Interpretation of questionnaires is speculative too, - many things may be interpreted by different ways, and in my taste questionnaires not always give enough data - many things are not asked, too easy to say anything or don't say important.

In case you were typed as INFJ by MBTI and that is why think yourself as IEI. INFJ = EII, in my understanding.

[Velvet]

Generally, to be sure in type I use video, not photos. So I'm not sure in INFJ, but see this as significant possibility.
I prefer nonverbal-intutive method and trust it more than what people say. Interpretation of questionnaires is speculative too, - many things may be interpreted by different ways, and in my taste questionnaires not always give enough data - many things are not asked, too easy to say anything or don't say important.

In case you were typed as INFJ by MBTI and that is why think yourself as IEI. INFJ = EII, in my understanding.

There is no total equivalent between socionics and mbti. But since we are standing on this fragile cracking ice, technically from the functions overview perspective INFJ and IEI are both NiFe. Makes me think my last mbti test gave me INFP, yet it's FiNe this EII which I am not. Dichotomy testing is dangerous as it's easily pushing people into somewhere they don't necessarily belong.

[summerprincess]

Generally, to be sure in type I use video, not photos. So I'm not sure in INFJ, but see this as significant possibility.
I prefer nonverbal-intutive method and trust it more than what people say. Interpretation of questionnaires is speculative too, - many things may be interpreted by different ways, and in my taste questionnaires not always give enough data - many things are not asked, too easy to say anything or don't say important.

In case you were typed as INFJ by MBTI and that is why think yourself as IEI. INFJ = EII, in my understanding.

I'm an INFP or ENFP in MBTI but I don't like it much and no types really resonate with me in MBTI as much as Socionics. I tend to look at Socionics types completely separately just because a lot of the functions are described differently and vary depending on the system.

[Aylen]

There is no total equivalent between socionics and mbti. But since we are standing on this fragile cracking ice, technically from the functions overview perspective INFJ and IEI are both NiFe. Makes me think my last mbti test gave me INFP, yet it's FiNe this EII which I am not. Dichotomy testing is dangerous as it's easily pushing people into somewhere they don't necessarily belong.

IEI, and to a lesser degree, EII seem like hybrids of INFJ/P.

[ghost of forum past]

The systems of MBTI and Socionics are irreconcilable by my understanding. See my post #252 in http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-Alphas/page7.

[Sol]

I tend to look at Socionics types completely separately

4 letters in type notation like INFJ mean only preferences. These preferences are identical in MBT and Socionics, hence INFJ in MBT is INFJ/EII in Socionics. Functions are not described in 4-letter code. MBTs types descriptions are worse, less correct (for introverted types especially), but relate to same types designated only by preferences.
You could be typed wrong to INFP by MBTI tests and their methods, similarly as can be typed wrong by methods common in Socionics.

You may compare types descriptions for INFJ/EII and INFP/IEI in Socionics. INFJ may appear to fit you more. Unfortunally it's not always easy to understand own type correctly by reading types descriptions. Other types are also possible, without video it's hard to be sure in type.

The systems of MBTI and Socionics are irreconcilable by my understanding.

Both are Jungian typology.
The only serious difference between Socionics and Jung's typology with MBT is using by MBT another (differing from Jung and wrong) functional model for introverted types. Other things are same in their essence, at least are compatible.
Socionics has extended Jung's typology, not changed it. Only MBT changed (without reasons) Jung's typology partly: like uses INTJ functional model for INTP and vice versa - but as MBT practice don't use functional models intensively they don't have big problems from this mistake.
Any other differences in Socionics and Jung's typology or MBT are minor, while all base essence is same.

[summerprincess]

4 letters in type notation like INFJ mean only preferences. These preferences are identical in MBT and Socionics, hence INFJ in MBT is INFJ/EII in Socionics. Functions are not described in 4-letter code. MBTs types descriptions are worse, less correct (for introverted types especially), but relate to same types designated only by preferences.
You could be typed wrong to INFP by MBTI tests and their methods, similarly as can be typed wrong by methods common in Socionics.

You may compare types descriptions for INFJ/EII and INFP/IEI in Socionics. INFJ may appear to fit you more. Unfortunally it's not always easy to understand own type correctly by reading types descriptions. Other types are also possible, without video it's hard to be sure in type.



Both are Jungian typology.
The only serious difference between Socionics and Jung's typology with MBT is using by MBT another (differing from Jung and wrong) functional model for introverted types. Other things are same in their essence, at least are compatible.
Socionics has extended Jung's typology, not changed it. Only MBT changed (without reasons) Jung's typology partly: like uses INTJ functional model for INTP and vice versa - but as MBT practice don't use functional models intensively they don't have big problems from this mistake.
Any other differences in Socionics and Jung's typology or MBT are minor, while all base essence is same.

Hmm, well I identify with IEI more than EII if I had to pick one, which is exactly what I did lol. Characters/people commonly typed as IEI are more similiar to me; this is how I figured out that I was probably an IEI. However, could I still posssssibly be EII? Yes, I'm just not thoroughly convinced of that as of yet.

[summerprincess]

Hmm, well I identify with IEI more than EII if I had to pick one, which is exactly what I did lol. Characters/people commonly typed as IEI are more similiar to me; this is how I figured out that I was probably an IEI. However, could I still posssssibly be EII? Yes, I'm just not thoroughly convinced of that as of yet.

To follow up to this, as a child I moved a lot and was always very quiet and only in the past couple of years have I really come out of my shell. Not sure if this could be a functions thing as well as an environmental thing. This is why I'm kind of on the fence about possibly being an extroverted type. It's possible but more probable that I would be an Introtim, I think. The types I'm considering, in order from most probable to least, are IEI, EII, IEE, and mayyyybe EIE but I have yet to hear anybody say that. You guys typed Elena from the Vampire Diaries as EIE though?! She always seemed so introverted to me so if she is EIE it's pretty easy to believe that I could be. Other characters: Phoebe from friends was typed as IEI here and I resonate with her; I'm kinda strange and silly like that (not quite as unabashedly but I do come across as spacey and say a lot of odd things.) Peyton from One Tree Hill was I think typed as IEI here and I've always liked/resonated with her as well.

[Capitalist Pig]

why do you look familiar

[Sol]

I identify with IEI more than EII if I had to pick one. Characters/people commonly typed as IEI are more similiar to me

Types descriptions are too general. IRs are needed to check additionally.
Same type is only one IR. Several kinds of them should be checked: duals, superego, etc. - good (giving symphathy and trust), "neutral" and bad IR. Types of wich quadra are closer to good and wich to bad.
As typing does not match between all(!) typers in >50% cases (when they don't know beforehand versions of others), so I recommend only my list of people in signature to check IR. Also you need to type people near you yourself.

However, could I still posssssibly be EII?

You may to be different types. INFJ is what seems to me more than INFP from your single photo. With video the situation would be more clear.

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

To follow up to this, as a child I moved a lot and was always very quiet and only in the past couple of years have I really come out of my shell. Not sure if this could be a functions thing as well as an environmental thing. This is why I'm kind of on the fence about possibly being an extroverted type. It's possible but more probable that I would be an Introtim, I think. The types I'm considering, in order from most probable to least, are IEI, EII, IEE, and mayyyybe EIE but I have yet to hear anybody say that. You guys typed Elena from the Vampire Diaries as EIE though?! She always seemed so introverted to me so if she is EIE it's pretty easy to believe that I could be. Other characters: Phoebe from friends was typed as IEI here and I resonate with her; I'm kinda strange and silly like that (not quite as unabashedly but I do come across as spacey and say a lot of odd things.) Peyton from One Tree Hill was I think typed as IEI here and I've always liked/resonated with her as well.

I wouldn't go by how fictional characters are typed. They're necessarily unrealistic (and probably mistyped).

[mu4]

Hello and welcome!

[Capitalist Pig]

I wouldn't go by how fictional characters are typed. They're necessarily unrealistic (and probably mistyped).

Listen to this man, he is the President of WSS.

[wacey]

welcome to the 16 types.

[summerprincess]

Types descriptions are too general. IRs are needed to check additionally.
Same type is only one IR. Several kinds of them should be checked: duals, superego, etc. - good (giving symphathy and trust), "neutral" and bad IR. Types of wich quadra are closer to good and wich to bad.
As typing does not match between all(!) typers in >50% cases (when they don't know beforehand versions of others), so I recommend only my list of people in signature to check IR. Also you need to type people near you yourself.



You may to be different types. INFJ is what seems to me more than INFP from your single photo. With video the situation would be more clear.

I don't know what an IR is lol. And yeah I type people around me all the time. To make things more clear as you say is it necessary for me to take a video? If I take one what should I talk about? Thank youu

[summerprincess]

I wouldn't go by how fictional characters are typed. They're necessarily unrealistic (and probably mistyped).

This is true in a lot of cases I'm just not completely sure what else to go by other than Reinin dichotomies which are unreliable, V.I. which I'm not great at, and generalized descriptions. Oh and I also use quadras in typing but they are not always super clear.

[summerprincess]

I think the reason I suck at typing myself is, even though I know myself well, I'd rather just be the type people see me as. I want to embody specific types even if maybe they aren't my type.. does this make sense?

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

This is true in a lot of cases I'm just not completely sure what else to go by other than Reinin dichotomies which are unreliable, V.I. which I'm not great at, and generalized descriptions. Oh and I also use quadras in typing but they are not always super clear.

My advice would be to make sure you know your quadras very well (that includes blocking of different valued IM Elements together), then look at Club, then finally Temperament.

For example... Beta -> Beta NF -> IEI

Learning Model A inside out and backwards is also a good idea.

As for Reinin dichotomies, many of them should not be used because they are defined wrongly e.g. Tactical/Strategic. They need to be carefully redefined based on their mathematical placement in order to be used.

Then there's V.I., which is popular over here, but has no empirical evidence to support it whatsoever. Having hunches about a face is fine, but relying solely on that to type a person, rather than asking questions to find out more about a person's and check that hunch, is a sure way to fail at Socionics.

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

I think the reason I suck at typing myself is, even though I know myself well, I'd rather just be the type people see me as. I want to embody specific types even if maybe they aren't my type.. does this make sense?

Well, that already suggests being Fe-Ego. The desire to project an image for the sake of others is a clear indicator.

[Sol]

I don't know what an IR is lol

Intertype Relations

To make things more clear as you say is it necessary for me to take a video? If I take one what should I talk about?

To be typed distantly - video is needed, without it nonverbal information is too small and probability of mistake is significantly higher.
You may tell: "What do I do better than others. What others do better than me." 10 min video with that conditions.

[summerprincess]

Well, that already suggests being Fe-Ego. The desire to project an image for the sake of others is a clear indicator.

Fe-ego is IEI is it not? or EIE? Sometimes I feel like I'm just too blunt and awkward to have strong Fe

[Sol]

Fe-ego is IEI is it not?

IEI, EIE, SEI, ESE
but there is no sure arguments to think you are Fe

I've made video bloggers list (look at signature). You may check types of wich quadra give you more feeling of trust, sympathy and humaneness. IEI - beta, EII - delta.

[glam]

Then there's V.I., which is popular over here, but has no empirical evidence to support it whatsoever. Having hunches about a face is fine, but relying solely on that to type a person, rather than asking questions to find out more about a person's and check that hunch, is a sure way to fail at Socionics.

idk, is there anyone here that relies solely on VI to type? usually i see those using VI also preferring to confirm their typings with video, quotes, etc. from the person in question. i agree that solid typings must come from more than VI, but for people who are experienced with VI, it's often based on a bit more than a mere hunch. sometimes the way people present themselves can give you useful information that might be relevant to their type.

as far as VI having "no empirical evidence to support it whatsoever", well a lot of people would argue that about socionics as a whole i disagree that there's no evidence though, e.g. Filatova showed through her portraits the visual similarities that people of identical types often share (and she did not type them using VI). after typing many identicals, it's not hard to become familiar with these similarities, and this is what helps to VI others of the same type later on.

[nondescript]

idk, is there anyone here that relies solely on VI to type? usually i see those using VI also preferring to confirm their typings with video, quotes, etc. from the person in question. i agree that solid typings must come from more than VI, but for people who are experienced with VI, it's often based on a bit more than a mere hunch. sometimes the way people present themselves can give you useful information that might be relevant to their type.

as far as VI having "no empirical evidence to support it whatsoever", well a lot of people would argue that about socionics as a whole i disagree that there's no evidence though, e.g. Filatova showed through her portraits the visual similarities that people of identical types often share (and she did not type them using VI). after typing many identicals, it's not hard to become familiar with these similarities, and this is what helps to VI others of the same type later on.

VI shouldn't be about the shape of a jaw or the length of a nose, but about a vibe a person is giving. Perfect example: SLE and how they should always look like they're in your face in one way or another. Kinda superior as well. Meanwhile IEIs give an impression of a distant, dreamy, shy person. A PERFECT person to be conquered by an aforementioned SLE, no?

But yes, it really should be used in tandem with other types of typing.

[Pink]

I'm a Gemini turning 19 soon! I made an account here awhile ago but lost it and had hardly used it so I thought why not make this one and be an active member. I'm trying to figure out my type so if anyone has any ideas that would be cool. Right now I'm a part time student and I will soon be taking intensive arabic classes! I love looking up interesting topics, languages, reading, traveling as much as I can, smoking hookah, doing relaxing things and I drink way too much caffeine. Nice meeting everybody!

You're extremely adorable, btw

[summerprincess]

IEI, EIE, SEI, ESE
but there is no sure arguments to think you are Fe

I've made video bloggers list (look at signature). You may check types of wich quadra give you more feeling of trust, sympathy and humaneness. IEI - beta, EII - delta.

After reading over the quadra types I feel that I relate most to the Alpha & Beta types somehow, Alpha probably more than Beta?! .. the things that don't fit me for alpha are - I'm not energized by community events/holidays; and I hate when people tell long slow stories. For Beta, I relate to most of it but I hate competitive atmospheres and they freak me out. Gamma isn't really me, and Delta partially fits me but I am more dramatic, don't like to rely on my own 'industriousness', and I like groups based on 'fun, emotional interaction'. The thing I really relate to in Delta is that they 'don't fare well in high pressure situations' - this is SO me. I hate being under tons of pressure! Unlike Deltas though, I tend to dislike the splintering of groups.

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

idk, is there anyone here that relies solely on VI to type? usually i see those using VI also preferring to confirm their typings with video, quotes, etc. from the person in question. i agree that solid typings must come from more than VI, but for people who are experienced with VI, it's often based on a bit more than a mere hunch. sometimes the way people present themselves can give you useful information that might be relevant to their type.

as far as VI having "no empirical evidence to support it whatsoever", well a lot of people would argue that about socionics as a whole i disagree that there's no evidence though, e.g. Filatova showed through her portraits the visual similarities that people of identical types often share (and she did not type them using VI). after typing many identicals, it's not hard to become familiar with these similarities, and this is what helps to VI others of the same type later on.

Well, when people post just a few pictures and other people give single word, type responses, it certainly looks like it.

It is absolutely true that Socionics doesn't have empirical backing, but this I'm more ok with, because it's not necessarily making any empirical claims. It just is a theoretical mapping of personality that people may or may not fit into. However, when VI is used, an empirical claim is used i.e. that people of a certain facial structure will be of a certain personality. This needs a great deal of proof. I do not doubt that there may be such correlations, but proof is needed for it to be a reliable, and trustworthy approach.

[nondescript]

Well, when people post just a few pictures and other people give single word, type responses, it certainly looks like it.

It is absolutely true that Socionics doesn't have empirical backing, but this I'm more ok with, because it's not necessarily making any empirical claims. It just is a theoretical mapping of personality that people may or may not fit into. However, when VI is used, an empirical claim is used i.e. that people of a certain facial structure will be of a certain personality. This needs a great deal of proof. I do not doubt that there may be such correlations, but proof is needed for it to be a reliable, and trustworthy approach.

Then what's the point of all of this? I need a Te answer!

[Sol]

I'm not energized by community events/holidays

introversy

I hate competitive atmospheres

no valued Se. hence alpha or delta

Delta partially fits me but I am more dramatic

F types are dramatic. Fe are externaly more, than Fi. Not a strong factor.

I like groups based on 'fun, emotional interaction'

Good emotional interaction in groups all people like, while F types are more accented on this.

I really relate to in Delta is that they 'don't fare well in high pressure situations'

Pressure can be in any function but possibly you thought about will - weak Se.
Generally, types deal well only in their strong functions regions. Not quadra specific.

Unlike Deltas though, I tend to dislike the splintering of groups.

I don't know about convincing theory wich would say this as delta specific or significant trait for delta. You may meet many wrong things about types, wich were taken from a ceil.

As may follow from your text you may to be delta, alpha; beta, gamma are more doubtful. Information in this text is not enough for sure typing, anyway. Even large questionnaries don't give many things.
If you want normal theory text, - read Filatova's book.
If you want be typed - make a video-interview.
If you want to understand the type yourself - my types examples will be useful as I've described upper.

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

Then what's the point of all of this? I need a Te answer!

For a Te-valuer, the point lies more in Socionics happening to be useful for some people's personal use as a tool to help them understand people. If they personally find that it works for them, then it can be attractive to them. However, to objectify that a bit, the point lies in Socionics potential to someday be empirically verified. It possesses a robust theory, so the next step would be to see if the robustness objectively and empirically can be shown to hold up in people's interactions and behaviour in a quantitatively measurable way.

For the time being, I advocate recognising the limits of Socionics and using it within those limits. I certainly think that trying to use VI is overreaching those limits to an absurd extent. Instead, trying to suss out someone's personality type by asking them about their personality seems a lot more reliable (still not particularly reliable given the fallibility of humans, but it is in the right ballpark).