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Last edited by kimuchuu; 10-17-2018 at 09:41 PM.
i only listened to 5 before soundcloud evicted me. but i was reminded of this song:
and i was reminded of alpha. +?
(important disclaimer: i'm not typing you kimuchuu. just was trying to "type" the music.)
Last edited by marooned; 06-04-2015 at 03:27 AM.
Its a proven phenomena that ones type can be deduced through their favorite michael jackson song.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
I read that study too, Pookie and then the following ones!!!
Everything interests me but nothing holds me.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3MFbhwfEXU
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
cool thread. i was wondering about music and typing too
I don't think it would be possible to type me based on the music I listen to because I am a music junkie and listen to many genres. I am very picky with some stuff. I don't like most country but I guess Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash don't count since I like them. I don't listen to most pop but now and then I find a catchy song and will listen to it. I like intense music regardless of the genre. Something that makes me feel in my soul....I like sexy music like Tool and Nine Inch Nails. I like aggressive music. Anything that evokes strong emotion and or drive to succeed. I use music to get me motivated to do whatever I am thinking of doing. Sometimes I listen to prevent me from doing what I want to do. I just don't think I am typable based on my music. :/
RE: Michael Jackson
Smooth Criminal and Billie Jean. What type am I?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Despite being a probably introverted, ethical type I like to listen to intense, sexual music often loudly with booming bass, riffs, etc. (Ie a lot of metal and hip hop.) I love dark and sexual lyrics though the lyrics don't matter to me as much as the beat of the song. Is this some sort of indication of suggestive Se? I'd imagine my type of music being more resonant with types like SLE
That has been my theory for awhile now.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I listen to a lot of love music but sort of with a relationship slant like this one. Does this help your theory? That resonate with what I'm feeling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrPZDhI1Ink
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think the music someone produces, whether by composing it or the way they perform it can give important information about their info processing values & strengths, sure...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
For instance, beethoven's music has a very strong drive at influencing the audience's emotions in a very dramatic way (at least to my perception).
Another example, somewhat of a contrast, is jascha heifetz, whose performances were fairly coldly done, pristine in their precision, with an emotionless demeanor, yet evoking incredible emotion from that perfection and showcasing the music itself by avoidance of adding extra dramatic "noise"
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Jascha-Heifetz
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I listen to a lot of music that doesn't have lyrics; or if it does, the song is less about the lyrics than it is about the emotions of the song, unless the lyrics have some kind of emotional poetry to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssRM-psTUfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrHtR35x88U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-cwuTmqz8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mi2...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71iDU0HsM88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XaDUR8SIgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-1u8xvk54
I actually have come to realize that no one likes the music I listen to. I won't play my music if someone else is in my car and when people ask me what kind of music I listen to, I honestly have no idea what to say.
You are actually not completely alone in this, most of the the music I listen to is also lyric-less and similar to some of what you posted. I get what are saying though, I don't like 90% percent of the music I hear other people listening to and feel somewhat disconnected to the mainstream. Oh and I also listened that same vose FFX remix, what are the chances of that especially given how that video only had 21,000 views as opposed to a 900,000,000 view taylor swift video? Like minds tend to converge to the same places I guess.
You know, this reminds me of someone I knew that said he wouldn't listen to music with lyrics because he said it was someone else's emotions and not his own. I didn't really like the guy on a personal level and he was pretty diehard Ti thinking (not that that matters). But he was kind of autistic and I do think I'm on the spectrum (always felt at a disadvantage socially). So maybe that's why for me; I don't think I relate well to most people's emotions.
Yeah prolly,
good bye
I'm kind of skeptical of typing by music preferences because different people can like the same piece of music for very different reasons. Much of our preferences ties into our upbringing, cultural influences, chance factors, etc. There are too many variables I think, to accurate determine someone's type from music.
The School of Associative Socionics is trying to do just that.
The reason why someone likes a piece of music is more useful information than "I just like it." If they like the themes presented in the lyrics or they like it because it brings a sense of peacefulness or relaxation, those kinds of things might be of some use.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Cool, would you like to share why you like some of the music you listen to? I think that makes a lot of sense.
good bye
http://socionics4you.com/post-category/music?lang=en
According to site:
EJs like inspiring, motivational music
IJs like slow, calm, traditional music
EPs like cheerful, chaotic, energizing music
IPs like melancholic, soul-searching music
Inspiring and motivational for one is not for another.
What is a chaotic music? Traditional? Any music can be soul-searching.
An EP I know is very into reggae music. Another EP is into metal. An LSE woman loves melancholic romantic songs.
I have a soul made of rock and metal.
I don't generally listen to music if I can help myself. Idk-I find it just a nuisance. And if I have to pick music-I'd pick John Williams style of music.
What the f?
My fave artist of the last 15 years or so (i.e. in terms of the artist producing music in that period) is Electrelane. They're very energetic, although they vary in tempos, move to crescendos, down to more reflective parts and then quick, energetic bursts. They are at a far greater tempo than I am physically (usually), although mentally, they always stir me (at least as an aspiration!). An Electrelane concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpTsD14X_us
I usually like music that is "clean" in sound (e.g. I don't generally like harsh noise). This still means that I like the deeply emotive guitar noises of Neil Young and Wilco for example though...e.g. the album A Ghost is Born by Wilco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psKZ...6nnn-Q9ST2sCLy
...I don't consider that "harsh" noise...it still feels primarily harmonious to me.
(My fave artist ever is David Bowie, especially the Berlin era (although my top five albums by him are Low, Station to Station, Ziggy Stardust, Young Americans, and Hunky Dory, then sixth would be "Heroes"))
Last edited by Not A Communist Shill; 10-25-2015 at 12:52 PM.
The site provided video examples which should give you a general idea of what I was talking about. Of course I don't think this intends to say people can't ever like other types of music then whats shown there but rather to stat the observational trends between type and music.
I did an analysis of the "moods" (as accorind to allmusic) of my favourite albums some time ago (my favourite 432 or so, with an average of slightly more than 17 moods assigned per album). In order, the most common moods were: Reflective, Bittersweet, Literate, Hypnotic, Melancholy, Theatrical, Detached, Playful, Stylish, Rousing, Cerebral, Dramatic, Intimate, Brooding, Sophisticated, Atmospheric, Wistful, Poignant, Intense, Quirky, Eerie, Ethereal, Trippy, Nocturnal, Earnest, Cathartic, Amiable/Good-Natured, Energetic, Freewheeling, Dreamy, Tense/Anxious, Witty, Elegant, Autumnal, Passionate, Laid-Back/Mellow (those are the 36 that make up slightly more than 50% of all assignations).
A few of my observations are rather obvious (that allmusic obviously won't assign moods in any really consistent way, that some moods are useless as descriptors, that this data is useless without a benchmark etc.).
Additionally (and this is probably more useful), in line with this paper: http://ismir2009.ismir.net/proceedings/PS4-14.pdf
I sorted the numbers for each mood into each MT and MM category, and got the following results:
MT4: 1105
MT3: 1003
MT2: 898
MT1: 550
(I cannot find the final data for the MM categories, maybe I did not complete it)
allmusic meta-genres (I think from their search page?):
Sad/Longing: 1022
Refined/Cerebral: 847
Calm/Relaxed: 777
Dramatic/Theatrical: 761
Aggressive/Volatile: 540
Fun/Good-Natured: 535
Trippy/Druggy: 530
Sweet/Light: 351
Anxiety/Fear: 328
Cynical/Wry: 254
Organic/Earthy: 214
Passionate/Sensual: 192
Bleak/Cold: 190
Swaggering/Street-Smart: 110
Slick/Smooth: 48
Last edited by Not A Communist Shill; 10-17-2015 at 07:06 PM.
@Subteigh how did you do that? Do you have to be a member of allmusic?
Here are my last fm charts from my desktop app. I don't actually do the "loved" tracks thing at all unless I am on the website. In general, the stuff I do love does not have a little red heart next to it so disregard the hearts.
I turn it off sometimes but these are pretty accurate. Not all music is scrobbled because of tags or the plugin won't work on some sites. I would say, sometimes,I listen to a bit more than 15 tracks a day. Some on repeat so it won't always scrobble again. hahah
I have over 63,000 songs scrobbled but I did have years where I didn't use it at all so the number of songs I have listened to is way way higher. I am also pretty sure I have more than 3,346 artists that I have listened to overall.
Edit: Between 2011 and 2014 I was in a rap/trap/hip hop phase but this will not be represented in my charts.
Last edited by Aylen; 10-17-2015 at 11:38 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
no, I had to rather tediously go to each album page (e.g. http://www.allmusic.com/album/low-mw0000185800 ) and copy-and-paste the moods into a spreadsheet, and then do a search to find out the number of instances. I could have done it with songs also, but that would have been even more labour intensive, and I think the data is understandably not as complete for those).
Here are my last fm charts from my desktop app. I don't actually do the "loved" tracks thing at all unless I am on the website. In general, the stuff I do love does not have a little red heart next to it so disregard the hearts.
I turn it off sometimes but these are pretty accurate. Not all music is scrobbled because of tags or the plugin won't work on some sites. I would say I listen to a bit more than 15 tracks a day. Some on repeat so it won't always scrobble again. hahah
I have over 63,000 songs scrobbles but I did have years where I didn't use it at all so the number of songs I have listened to is way way higher. I am also pretty sure I have more than 3,346 artists that I have listened to overall.
Last edited by Not A Communist Shill; 10-20-2015 at 10:40 PM.
@Aylen hmm yeah, I've seen some fairly cool apps relating to last.fm data...I have some results somewhere of that.
(I don't know if The Village by New Order is a reference to The Prisoner tv series, but I prefer that track far more). Ideally, my gravestone would have "Oh, our love is like the flowers, The rain and the sea and the hours" on it (and hopefully the lyric is not referring to something really negative).
We have medium compatibility.
Last edited by Aylen; 10-20-2015 at 10:56 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
We have medium compatibility.
http://www.lastimer.com/ was the main last.fm app thing I was thinking of...
Last edited by Not A Communist Shill; 10-20-2015 at 11:05 PM.
Lastimer won't work for me.
http://www.lastimer.com/ was the main last.fm app thing I was thinking of...(I'll post my charts but I'll probably delete them later)
(From about two months ago):I have been playing with this one. http://www.lastchart.com/ I did one chart of top 100 all time artists, one for top artists in the last week. Some people's tags are wrong though and it shows song instead of artist which is annoying.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
http://research.gold.ac.uk/7813/1/PS...llias_2012.pdf
Although research on film preferences and movie-watching motives is rare, a great deal of researchers have shown, over the last decades, an interest in people’s music preferences as an individual difference variable that relates to personality traits (Cattell & Anderson, 1953; Dollinger, 1993; Little & Zuckerman, 1986; McCown, Keiser, Mulhearn, & Williamson, 1997; Robinson, Weaver, & Zillmann, 1996). For instance, some support has been found for the notion that people prefer listening to music that reflects specific personality characteristics (Rentfrow & Gosling, 2003; Schwartz & Fouts, 2003). For instance, preferences for ‘‘reflective and complex’’ music (defined by classical, jazz, blues, and folk genres) are positively associated with openness to experience, verbal ability, and liberal political orientation and negatively related to social dominance; preferences for ‘‘upbeat and conventional’’ music (defined by pop, country, Christian, and film genres) are positively related to extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, and political conservatism and negatively related to verbal ability (e.g., Delsing, ter Bogt, Engels, & Meeus, 2008; Rentfrow & Gosling, 2003; Rentfrow & McDonald, 2009).
Cattell was among the first to theorize about how music could contribute to understanding personality. He believed that preferences for certain types of music reveal important information about unconscious aspects of personality that is overlooked by most personality inventories (Cattell & Anderson, 1953a, 1953b; Cattell & Saunders, 1954; Kemp, 1996). Accordingly, Cattell and Anderson (1953a) created the I.P.A.T. Music Preference Test, a personality inventory comprising 120 classical and jazz music passage in which respondents indicate how much they like each musical item. Using factor analysis, Cattell and Saunders (1954) identified 12 musicpreference factors and interpreted each one as an unconscious reflection of specific personality characteristics (e.g., surgency, warmth, conservatism). Whereas Cattell believed that music preferences provide a window into the unconscious, most researchers have regarded music preferences as a manifestation of more explicit personality traits. For example, sensation seeking appears to be positively related to preferences for rock, heavy metal, and punk music and negatively related to preferences for sound tracks and religious music (Little & Zuckerman, 1986). In addition, Extraversion and Psychoticism have been shown to predict preferences for music with exaggerated bass, such as rap and dance music (McCown et al., 1997).
The uses and gratification approach (Rosengren, Wenner, & Palmgreen, 1985) has served as a general theoretical framework for explaining associations between personality factors and music preferences. This approach has focused on the motives for individuals’ music consumption and stresses individual choice and how ‘people intentionally participate and select media messages from communication alternatives. . . what people do with the media, instead of what the media do to people’ (Rubin, 1994, p 421). From this line of research, it has been shown that people prefer particular kinds of music because they have particular personality characteristics that the music satisfies (Arnett, 1995; Arnett, Larson, & Offer, 995; Gantz, Gartenberg, Pearson, & Schiller, 1978; Larson, 1995). For example extraverts, who generally enjoy socialising and like spending time with others, tend to enjoy music that facilitates social interactions with peers (e.g. party music). Similarly, individuals high on Openness to Experience, who have a desire for ‘variety, intellectual stimulation and aesthetic experiences’ (Costa & McCrae, 1988, p 261), may prefer relatively ‘difficult’ or obscure types of music. The music people choose may also serve to gratify physiologically based needs. According to the model of optimal stimulation (Eysenck, 1990; Zuckerman, 1979), people tend to choose the type of music that moves them toward their optimal arousal level. For example extraverts are considered to be on the low level of the cortical arousal scale and tend to choose the types of music which have the property to raise that level. Introverts, however, who are normally highly aroused, tend to avoid overstimulation by choosing less stimulating music (Daoussis & McKelvie, 1986).
Although adolescents generally share a fascination for music, adolescents differ in their preferences for musical styles. Social factors such as ethnicity, social class (e.g. Frith, 1981; Gans, 1974), youth cultures, as well as individual factors (e.g. personality, physiological arousal, social identity) have been implied to account for the
heterogeneity of adolescents’ music preferences (Rentfrow & Gosling, 2003; Zillman & Gan, 1997). One line of research has focused on the role of personality traits in the determination of adolescents’ musical taste (e.g. Dollinger, 1993; Little & Zuckerman, 1986; McCown et al., 1997; Pearson & Dollinger, 2002; Robinson et al., 1996). One of the most comprehensive studies to date in this respect is Rentfrow and Gosling’s (2003) investigation, in which the authors first determined the major dimensions of music preferences by means of exploratory and confirmatory factor analysis (CFA), and subsequently examined the associations of these dimensions with the wellestablished Big-Five personality factors. Four music-preference dimensions that were highly consistent across samples and time emerged from their analyses: The Reflective and Complex dimension, which was defined by the genres blues, jazz, classical and folk music; The Intense and Rebellious dimension, which was defined by Rock, alternative and heavy metal music; The Upbeat and Conventional dimension, which was defined by country, sound track, religious and pop music; The Energetic and Rhythmic dimension, which was defined by rap/hip-hop, soul/funk and electronical/dance music.
Rentfrow and Gosling (2003) found both the Reflective and Complex and the Intense and Rebellious dimensions to be positively related to Openness to Experience. The Upbeat and Conventional dimension was found to be positively related to Extraversion, Agreeableness and Conscientiousness, and negatively to Openness to Experience. The Energetic and Rhythmic dimension was positively related to Extraversion and Agreeableness. No substantial correlations were found between the music-preference dimensions and Emotional Stability.
In an attempt to extend on the works of Rentfrow Gosling (2003), Desling et al (2008) carried out an investigation examining the structure of Dutch adolescents’ music preferences, the stability of music preferences and the relations between Big Five personality traits and (changes in) music preferences. Exploratory and confirmatory factor analyses of music-preference data from adolescents aged between 12-19 revealed four clearly interpretable music-preferences and personality at three follow-up measurements, In addition to being relatively stable over 1, 2 and 3-year intervals, music preferences were found to be consistently related to personality characteristics, confirming prior research in the United States. Furthermore, personality characteristics were also found to predict changes in music preferences over a 3-year interval.
In addition to music preferences, TV preferences, book reading and outdoor cultural participation have been investigated. Being more of one’s own choice than e.g. vocational interests, reading interests are likely to reflect a person’s psychological needs rather than structural socio-economic constraints (Tirre & Dixit, 1995). For similar reasons, personality can also be expected to affect outdoor cultural behaviour (e.g. visiting museums, attending concerts). Such behaviour may be considered as unmediated participation in culture, where individuals will be looking for specific uses and gratifications as well. According to information processing theory (e.g. Berlyne, 1971; Ganzeboom, 1982; Kraaykamp & Dijkstra, 1999), the satisfaction people derive from reading books, visiting museums, or attending concerts, depends on their optimal, or preferred, arousal levels. Such cultural products differ in their complexity. The level of complexity one prefers is thought to be affected by an individual’s information processing capacity or extraversion (Ganzeboom, 1982). But it is not only directly linked to our cognitive or affective orientations toward the mass media, as it can also reflect individuals’ preferences for and responses to physiological stimulation (Zuckerman, 1991). Personality is therefore relevant for understanding individuals appreciation of the arts.
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