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    This is actually a wise statement that could be made by any true competitor...and not type related. I have done a lot of study of Bruce. And overall it is usually the 8 that is willing to take the death threats and mix the sacred beliefs of those attached to the world of martial arts...especially if we think of when he did it. My educated guess is that he was a sx 8.

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    Enneagram types are accentuations like Jung's types and their reduction is the way of personal improvement.

    E1 study on own mistakes when they notice that their tries to make something better and more perfect leads to worsening and the need to undone their "improvements". E9's acceptance of the world "as is" is what E1 develop in themselves to reduce their passion to improve this world. This compensation is needed to hold unwise and unprepared changes E1 may do, to hold the wish to act impulsively following the anger.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    https://twitter.com/hisperic/status/1060349074275229697

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    Donald Trump is a 1

    Takes 1 to know 1

    Anything else is FAKE NEWS

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    oh dear. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post

    Donald Trump is a 1

    wat

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    this girl is likely an 1w2 sp/so introvert

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    this girl is likely an e1 ISxx

    So how is that Type 1 exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    wat
    He clearly wants to be perfect. That's why everything bad is fake news, he has all the best words, and his fingers are long and beautiful as are many other parts of his body (obviously his nose.) Granted, he's not the most "healthy" version of a 1... but still. He's not angry all the time like 8 and he's not OK with scandals like a 3. He bought a picture of himself looking like Jesus for crying out loud.
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    If you are not perfect still, then we are going to you.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    So how is that Type 1 exactly?
    She's orderly, conscientious, and has mentioned in one of her videos that she's given into feeling frustrated.

    The frustration triad is 1-4-7: http://drdaviddaniels.com/the-enneag...armony-triads/

    What would you type her if not a 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    She's orderly, conscientious, and has mentioned in one of her videos that she's given into feeling frustrated.

    The frustration triad is 1-4-7: http://drdaviddaniels.com/the-enneag...armony-triads/

    What would you type her if not a 1?
    Orderliness and conscientiousness are not exclusively Type 1. Any type, especially 3s (for achieving personal success), can cultivate those aspects in themselves.

    Type 1 is primarily about having issues surrounding perfectionism and a strong sense of moral obligation, both for themselves upholding their morality, and assessing/praising or punishing the morality and (ir)responsible nature of others. As a consequence, they tend to be overly critical, restrictive of the actions of themselves and others, wanting to be "good" and "proper" and "perfect human beings/citizens" (and others as well, especially if Social instinct first), which often results in the tendency not to engage with anything that could be harmful or morally degrading (or trying to restrict/punish others for doing so, especially if SO first).

    I don't see any of that in her video... What kind of 1 would concern themselves with over-painting their nails?
    A 1 would rather preach about the stupidity of doing such and urging others to stop watching those videos, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Orderliness and conscientiousness are not exclusively Type 1. Any type, especially 3s, can cultivate those aspects in themselves. Type 1 is about having issues surrounding perfectionism and a strong sense of moral obligation, both for themselves upholding their morality, and assessing/praising or punishing the morality and responsible nature of others. As a consequence, they tend to be overly critical, restrictive of the actions of themselves and others, wanting to be "good" and "proper", which often results in the tendency not to engage with anything that could be harmful or morally degrading.

    I don't see any of that in her video... What kind of 1 would concern themselves with over-painting their nails? It just seems totally unrelated.
    Perfectionism and strong sense of moral obligation lead to traits like orderliness and conscientiousness. It is interesting how you don't see a link between such motivations and these traits. Just recall Jordan Peterson, a prototypical e1, and his message geared towards other people to "sort oneself out". The rest of your post seems to be describing a low health state of a type i.e. "punishing" "restrictive" "overly critical" etc. Once you read through different health levels of a type you'll see that any person has a choice to not succumb to the negative traits that are associated with their enneagram. We do have some self-identified 1s on this forum, like Director Abbie, and do you really see her as embodying those traits that you have mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Perfectionism and strong sense of moral obligation lead to traits like orderliness and conscientiousness.
    Correlation, not causation. As I said, there are orderly and conscientious 3s out there, for the sake of achieving their goals.

    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Just recall Jordan Peterson, a prototypical e1, and his message geared towards other people to "sort oneself out".
    You are proving my point there, he is actually a Type 1. My example of her telling people not to overpaint their nails would be something he'd say. Whereas she... overpainted her nails for entertainment. That's untypical of E1.

    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    The rest of your post seems to be describing a low health state of a type i.e. "punishing" "restrictive" "overly critical" etc.
    I have found that it is best to type someone based on the negative traits/behaviour they exhibit. Because positive traits will be employed and celebrated by the other types as well. The "low health level" behavior is the clearest typing ground. That is probably also why a lot of Enneagram literature sounds rather negative. It is because you can distinguish the types the best in that manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    I have found that it is best to type someone based on the negative traits/behaviour they exhibit. Because positive traits will be employed and celebrated by the other types as well. The "low health level" behavior is the clearest typing ground. That is probably also why a lot of Enneagram literature sounds rather negative. It is because you can distinguish the types the best in that manner.
    I've found the same, however, this approach does not work when you are dealing with people who are at high health levels of their type. Consider description of low health levels vs. high health levels of type 4. The high health level 4 exhibits no depression, alienation, nor darkness associated with mid to low level 4s, so if you follow the negative trait typing method it would make it easy to mistype the high level 4 into some other types.

    Type 4 at Level 3: Highly personal, individualistic, "true to self." Self-revealing, emotionally honest, humane. Ironic view of self and life: can be serious and funny, vulnerable and emotionally strong.
    ...
    Type 4 at Level 7: When dreams fail, become self-inhibiting and angry at self, depressed and alienated from self and others, blocked and emotionally paralyzed. Ashamed of self, fatigued and unable to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    I've found the same, however, this approach does not work when you are dealing with people who are at high health levels of their type. Consider description of low health levels vs. high health levels of type 4. The high health level 4 exhibits no depression, alienation, or darkness associated with mid to low level 4s, so if you follow the negative trait typing method it would make it easy to mistype the high level 4 into some other types.

    Type 4 at Level 3: Highly personal, individualistic, "true to self." Self-revealing, emotionally honest, humane. Ironic view of self and life: can be serious and funny, vulnerable and emotionally strong.
    ...
    Type 4 at Level 7: When dreams fail, become self-inhibiting and angry at self, depressed and alienated from self and others, blocked and emotionally paralyzed. Ashamed of self, fatigued and unable to function.
    Most people are around average or unhealthy health levels, which makes typing easier. I also always try to find out someone's "dark" or "shadow side" to type them, because yes, good health can be misleading.

    However, she is exploiting the overpainting-nails-trend for views, which is rather typical of Type 3. Overall, the motivations behind that video, and the video itself (entertainment for success) is rather Type 3. Again, no hint of 1. Maybe you could find a video of hers that is actually a better example of 1. For that one, I cannot see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Most people are around average or unhealthy health levels, which makes typing easier. I also always try to find out someone's "dark" or "shadow side" to type them, because yes, good health can be misleading.

    However, she is exploiting the overpainting-nails-trend for views, which is rather typical of Type 3. Overall, the motivations behind that video, and the video itself (entertainment for success) is rather Type 3. Again, no hint of 1. Maybe you could find a video of hers that is actually a better example of 1. For that one, I cannot see it.
    Most people actually are not that representative of their types. One of the reasons why we have so much typing confusion in the famous people and what's my type subforums.

    As to this girl's videos, if you look up the first page of her channel she does have a video dedicated to "correcting mistakes". If you still do not see how this is a type 1 sentiment, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to depart from this discussion due to lack of interest as this is getting a little too self-explanatory here.


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