Please offer your experience, story, etc
Please offer your experience, story, etc
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
fwiw, I self-type as SEE (and have since late 2010):
With LSE-Te father:
Te-LSE manager:
Te-LSE RDC:
LSE (sub?) acquaintance:
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Please help me with something. So I know this one SEE who tried hard and captured an LSE mainly by following him around and flirting with him. Him being sex deprived as he often said he was really fell for her. I don't know if it was because of her manners although I don't think it was because she used to talk about sexual stuff out loud and after some interaction with him she used to watch herself and turn around to make sure he wasn't listening. All her sexual teasing was to appeal to him and everything else she did. I'm just waiting for her to play out of pleasing mode and be herself, that uneasy control self so that their relationship can play out the normal course although i suspect they'll get home wreckers to each other and end up together as she's well on her way to a divorce. When does an SEE relaize the ridiculousness of the nature of their hyper conformity?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Hard to say, Maritsa. Depends how daft the SEE is. Not all SEEs are bestowed with the common sense and self-restraint I possess, but when the relationship and shit starts crumbling around, the charade is no longer fun and most will bail by that point. Sounds like she's drunk on the seduction game, right now, and he's an accomplice, too, by giving in to desire and throwing reason out the window. By their methods, it sounds like it's something not built to last: a love affair. Sorry to hear about it, though.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Would someone please explain why SEE tries to distance themselves from LSE?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I just have some thoughts, but first, I am curious about what became of the SEE/LSE relations you described in this thread! Tell us!
Mom's old caregiver, for when I went to work, back where we lived before, was a SEE. She was totally reliable about showing up on time, and when she said she could be there. I really appreciated that. My LSE brother is in charge of Mom's finances, so he paid the SEE for that and when I was at work or away (usually here visiting my to-be husband when my son was away with his Dad). There were SEE-mysteries about her that I didn't understand and made me nervous. But later I understood the ways of SEE and those things didn't bother me then because I could understand where they were coming from.
SEE was a bit flirtatious with my LSE brother (she was single and knew he was an that may have had something to do with it). He asked her to come work at his house, painting since he was moving and she did. He said she worked hard but was frustrated with her resisting his exacting instructions (he is pretty precise about how one paints so I sympathize). Then we had this thing where I had paid her extra for some cleaning when I was gone, and I suggested if she wanted, vacuuming the screens, not imagining that she would have taken them off to do it, and apparently she jammed them back in, and they were not designed for jamming. Half of them were broken and useless. For these specialized-sized screens it cost aobut $70 each to replace, and there a lot, and I was in SHOCK over it. And discouraged. She denied it! And I pressed it, because I did not appreciate the denial. For me it was the principle. I would not have held her to paying for them since I know her income is tight, but I was not willing to pretend with her she had nothing to do with it. But I had to just let it go. Much later it became clear to me that my questioning her threatened her position as an able-caregiver/home-care person and she just couldn't take it.
At any rate, my LSE brother had questioned her on this too, and she got to avoiding him. LSE's tend to correct, and they tend to correct anyone they consider under their jurisdiction (which I suffered, too, which made me indignant with him and pretty mad, because he had no idea how hard it was taking care of Mom - he figured his job was to point out any area at all I might be lax in... like, my housekeeping in the middle of winter when I was trying to put away Christmas, subbing every day because it was flu season, taking Mom to appointments and taking care of all her needs, and out to wrestling meets and tournaments that could be many many hours long and a long winter's drive away... yes, so I did not take kindly to the criticism). But that's how LSE's are. They feel its their job to let everyone know where they could improve in how they do things. And SEE didn't like being told she lacked in this or that area of her work, either.
So that was a case of SEE avoiding LSE. Maybe that's helpful.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I like precise instructions and it like my grandmother. Yes that would make sense. LSE can take the fun out of things by wanting things a certain way and honesty is favored by them. I can empathize with why she lied. She didn't want it to be made a big deal. She probably didn't mean to do it purposely and thus broke it. She was just not a patient and careful worker because it was not fun or interesting. In any case when an LSE gets on your case with questioning it is best to be honest and give it to them straight.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This is the conversation of LSE and SEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMp4...cf7z6g&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9w...=RD1MP8Hcf7z6g
"Women need to realize their bf's weaknesses" SEE
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-27-2016 at 01:31 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LSE and SEE conflict here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NH0...5pDUlZqbWPgmuw
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My sister is LSE. I like her, but most of the time she's, like, closed-off. All business and I don't like her until I get her personal side. And that's not hard for me but I'm not interested enough to most of the time.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think drugging your children like that sets them up for a future of drug abuse. It is not sensible. It is changing their brain chemistry. Those things are not safe. I became dependent on antihistamines. I am kind of disgusted with the brunette and only watched a couple minutes.
I didn't even watch the blonde. I had to turn it off because of the brunette.
Edit: Turned it back on. lol This woman has no common sense guys. Like they said if the child had a reaction at 37,000 feet what do you do? I have had allergic reactions to benadryl. I wouldn't have got all emotional like the blonde who is also starting to irritate me the way she is raising her voice.
My advice, don't travel long distances with small children. You choose to become a parent so you have to give up some things.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I figured she looked at the whole situation in a holistic approach. I didn't like that the SEE had no solution about how she would approach a chaotic situation if one occurred with 4 children on board. Also, from a personal experience when we came to the US my brother was 7 years old. He and my sister almost terrorized the walk way of the giant plane, running around and misbehaving no matter how stern my father got. Controlling that situation is not easy but to refuse in a way that is putting someone down when she has not experienced it to feel the affects of it and neither can she empathize with the LSE was not nice. I would have approached the counter argument very differently. I would have said "I realize that your concerns is to make sure that the situation doesn't become chaotic, what would a behavioral psychologist suggest?" I would not start attacking her. Kind of "let's explore other possibilities"
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-13-2016 at 05:30 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
When we moved to the US my sister was like only a year and half and I was 3 and a half. My mom said we were both well behaved (my sister slept through most of it) and I struck up a conversation with the flight attendant, even though I could not speak English. She promised to give me wings if I behaved. I don't know how I was able to understand that because my parents did not speak English either but maybe little children understand the language of energy. Anxious parents tend to have children that reflect their worst fears back to them through their behavior. My bio-dad is a very calming type person and can influence emotionally, being an EIE. I am assuming he had something to do with my good behavior since he probably kept me engaged instead of ignoring me. I needed a lot of verbal interaction as a child.
She kept her promise and I still have the little wings pin she gave me.
I learned most of this in basic child psychology classes. My youngest sister had terrible stomach pain as an infant and had to be sedated. She is also the one who was a C average student. I wonder if all that sedation, as a baby, had something to do with it. :/
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I've seen multiple SEE's refer to LSE's as "controlling" or "inflexible". They are friends with the LSE but wonder how anyone could stand dating the LSE, for example.
On the LSE end, the only example I've observed is my dad, married to my SEE mom. She's basically very irrational (NTR), makes bad emotive decisions, and he knows better but feels like he can't say no. It's like she disorients him- he does a lot of things around her that he would otherwise not do, and afterwards you can see that he is resentful.
It doesn't make it right though but a parent does has a right to do with their children what they want, within limits. I am more concerned with the idea of drugging children under age 2. The parent will never know if it had a lasting effect on that child's brain. We know that alcohol can damage the brain in utero, sometimes even very little at the wrong time of development will cause developmental damage. My mom drank wine with dinner while pregnant. Not a lot but who knows what that did to my brain. I might have been a physicist if she hadn't. With the knowledge I have now, I would be more protective of a child's brain.
If I had a cranky toddler going through terrible twos, I would not take them to a restaurant out of consideration of other people. To me that is common sense but I have sat in restaurants with people trying to calm a cranky child that is obviously out too late instead of getting their food to go. Like I said in the other post, people who choose to have children will have to make sacrifices and to me sacrificing leisure activities for the benefit of the child is not a huge sacrifice.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
We are all introverts except my ESE sister but she was and is very well mannered. My IEI brother is well mannered too, in public, but when he was little he could be very blunt as he picked up certain things that should not have been spoken outside the family. hahah He was too young to know better.
Edit: I did fight with my EII sister the most but that was because we were forced to spend too much time cooped up together. As we matured we learned to respect each other's opinions. We don't always agree and even have snapped verbally at each other a couple of times, as adults, we get along really well and we make up quickly. My family is very important to me.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Fortunately my LSI mom, coming from a different culture, did not allow me to be drugged except in a crisis situation at a hospital when I was 13. She just accepted what the doctors said but did not make me continue. I chose to take medication on my own as an adult to her dismay (at first). She is an E1 and had a hard time accepting that anything was wrong with me. She just wanted me to get up and do something when I was too depressed to get out of bed. She powers through her depression most of the time to get things done. She had to since she had two small children at the time to support on her own. Oh and she suffers from insomnia and I remember her taking nyquil as a child and some Valium. I used to think she lacked empathy (she does in a sense and I know it may be socionics related now) so we went through some difficulties when I was a preteen/teen.
My youngest sister was in excruciating pain as a baby so medication was the last resort. They called it colic and she screamed for hours while tightening her stomach and pushing her little legs. No one had ever dealt with a colicky baby before in my family so it was a stressful period. I think medication does have it's place but not for the comfort of the parent. I mean obviously if your child has something organically wrong with their brain, and is a danger to themselves or others, you might have to resort to meds but I would exhaust every option first.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I completely empathize with you @Aylen and the SEE. You guys are looking at the immediate information and you Aylen are drawing from personal experience from the past and are also trying to safeguard a bad situation which is what the SEE is doing too. I guess if you both had come from a culture where "they did it or I did it and it was okay" you would look at the situation differently..
Would you happen to have a specific examples? @lemontrees
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-13-2016 at 11:52 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Well firstly I think that they're going in with a difficult frame of how they want to discuss - they both have an opinion and aren't interested in hearing the other's opinion, they just want to explain their own position. If they really cared about The Truth then they would be a lot of collaborative about it.
Furthermore, they make statements which may not be backed up, factually. Like, they might be backed up, but they take time to show proof that it is. So you've got to rely on their words, which I can't do because they're trying to win, not to find The Truth, and so they'd be willing to fabricate.
Idk, it just was't set up to allow either of them to discuss it reasonably.
Warm Regards,
Clowns & Entropy
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ashton Kutcher LSE
Mila Kunis SEE
Fight has started and this is going to go exactly as this benefit pair will as it did between Chris Martin LSE and Gweneth Paltrow SEE. Straight for divorce
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/a...ighting-110366
Her complaint is he doesn't follow directions and is irresponsible but only because he doesn't want to be the submissive one in the beneficiary position
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html