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    thought this was interesting:

    "I don't think Si is about "feeling good" persay, or necessarily about aesthetics, good food, being healthy, etc. I think that misses the point and is not the fundamental nature of the function. I realize this isn't Socionics canon, but in my view, Si is more about vying to achieve stability and constancy in one's environment as a means to maintain the homeostasis of one's inner state. Si creates a sense of immergence with one's physical environment, both inside and outside of the body. This is apparent if you read into the information element composition of Si: EFD - Dynamic External Field. Dynamic refers to perception of changes, External refers to what is physical/tangible/apparent, Field refers to the observer being one with the observed. So what happens here with Si, is that one's self blends seamlessly with the physical environment, and can be treated as one indivisable unit. The desire to maintain a fluid coherence between the self and the environment is the overriding "goal" of Si. Disturbances in the parameters between self and environment are constantly monitored for. Fluctuations which produce decoherence between the two and disrupt that seamless flow are considered undesirable from the standpoint of Si." https://forum.socionix.com/topic/736...out-socionics/

    what do you think, does this describe the goal of Si?

    also, could a parallel be drawn with the other introverted functions, eg. Ti being a seamless blending of the work, motion of oneself and the world, Ni a blending of the potential will of oneself and the world, Fi a blending of the emotions of oneself and the world ?
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    To reexperience the pleasant sensation. Isn't that the goal of every sensory type....chasing experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    thought this was interesting:

    what do you think, does this describe the goal of Si?
    It is bad in that it contradicts itself:
    So what happens here with Si, is that one's self blends seamlessly with the physical environment, and can be treated as one indivisable unit
    which I think is right and then proceeds to describe it in terms of boundary/seam between "self" and environment.
    The desire to maintain a fluid coherence between the self and the environment is the overriding "goal" of Si. Disturbances in the parameters between self and environment are constantly monitored for. Fluctuations which produce decoherence between the two and disrupt that seamless flow are considered undesirable from the standpoint of Si.
    Which I think is wrong. There is no "disturbance" if everything is an affect. Affect is either good and fitting in well or it isn't. So fluctuation, change, new, "disturbance" can be welcomed, unwelcomed or unknown/suspect. The goal is some idea of good experience, sensation, wellbeing for the things/affects to come together in to. Constancy is not necessarily implied.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    also, could a parallel be drawn with the other introverted functions, eg. Ti being a seamless blending of the work, motion of oneself and the world, Ni a blending of the potential will of oneself and the world, Fi a blending of the emotions of oneself and the world ?
    Utterly terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    It is bad in that it contradicts itself:

    which I think is right and then proceeds to describe it in terms of boundary/seam between "self" and environment.

    Which I think is wrong. There is no "disturbance" if everything is an affect. Affect is either good and fitting in well or it isn't. So fluctuation, change, new, "disturbance" can be welcomed, unwelcomed or unknown/suspect. The goal is some idea of good experience, sensation, wellbeing for the things/affects to come together in to. Constancy is not necessarily implied.




    Utterly terrible.
    hm perhaps the boundary arises when there is a change to a static field element, Ti or Fi, which would cause some affects to be more welcome than others and trigger a desire to change the combination of affects to align with the new Ti/Fi ideal state. if the combination didn't change, i'd imagine the person would feel increasingly uneasy about the difference between actual and ideal conditions and that would disturb their wellbeing
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    Well this has the slant you see in dcnh harmonizing. I don't know that there is a "the" psychology of Si, more like viable candidates.

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    The goal of IP people is to do nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    The goal of IP people is to do nothing
    lol, if so perhaps the goal of EJs as their opposite is to do something all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    The goal of IP people is to do nothing
    But doing nothing is doing something and that something is nothing.

    "If you choose not do decide you still have made a choice."

    Okay, I'll stop now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LIIbrarian View Post
    But doing nothing is doing something and that something is nothing.

    "If you choose not do decide you still have made a choice."

    Okay, I'll stop now.
    I actually vote that this is an IJ kinda equivalent. Because IJs want to do the right thing. Or make the right decision. So they see all of their decisions as a decision, not as "doing nothing".

    Whereas EPs want to do whatever they want at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    what do you think, does this describe the goal of Si?
    It's pretty much in line with how I view Si, and more importantly with how I perceive and relate to my environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownsandEntropy View Post
    I actually vote that this is an IJ kinda equivalent. Because IJs want to do the right thing. Or make the right decision. So they see all of their decisions as a decision, not as "doing nothing".

    Whereas EPs want to do whatever they want at the time.
    EPs want to do what their irrational impulses tell them
    IJs want to do what their own rules tell them
    IPs want to harmonize their inner and outer worlds as much as possible
    EJs want to make an impact on their inner and outer worlds (maybe ?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    In mainstream psychology, the pathological manifestation of Si is known as "excessive discomfort avoidance". So Si basically boils down to attitudes of comfort creation/discomfort avoidance. SEIs are mainly focussed on confort creation, whereas SLIs are more into discomfort avoidance.

    Interesting. What causes SEI's to want to create comfort as opposed to avoiding discomfort like SLIs, in your own opinion? and where do the mainstream psychologists draw the line between "excessive discomfort avoidance" and normal discomfort avoidance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    what do you think, does this describe the goal of Si?
    Sort of IMO, actually pretty good Si is experiental sensing which involves interpreting the external environment so it senses 'just right' to them. Nice post.

    As for the part I edited out, not sure, I would have to think about it

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