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    First stage: information gathering

    external, current
    internal, current
    external, potential
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    Second stage: decision making

    my own set of values, to benefit a group
    public set of values, to benefit myself
    public set of values, to benefit a group
    my own set of values, to benefit myself
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    Merry types can build strong groups but are "weak" when alone
    Serious types work poorly in groups but thrive when working alone
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    Examples of betas at work:

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    Dinobots vs Devastator

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Merry types can build strong groups but are "weak" when alone
    Serious types work poorly in groups but thrive when working alone
    Can you clarify what you mean by "weak" when alone?

    I'm a merry type and an introvert and I far prefer to work alone than in a group. When working alone I don't have to worry so much about other peoples' agendas and trying to accomodate them all. There is more freedom in working alone. Also I can concentrate better when I have quiet to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Merry types can build strong groups but are "weak" when alone
    Serious types work poorly in groups but thrive when working alone
    It is rather the other way around, come on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    First stage: information gathering

    external, current
    internal, current
    external, potential
    internal, potential
    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Second stage: decision making

    my own set of values, to benefit a group
    public set of values, to benefit myself
    public set of values, to benefit a group
    my own set of values, to benefit myself
    I'm guessing the first and second stages are flipped for rationals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    It is rather the other way around, come on...
    So you agree with the rest of my theory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    I'm guessing the first and second stages are flipped for rationals?
    mmm eeemh yeah, definitely:

    Rationals' first stage: decision making

    my own set of values, to benefit a group
    public set of values, to benefit myself
    public set of values, to benefit a group
    my own set of values, to benefit myself


    Rationals' Second stage: altering the environment

    external, current (attacking someone/giving orders)
    internal, current (feeding someone, giving sexual pleasure to someone)
    external, potential (spreading ideas)
    internal, potential (advicing on when to strike)
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    Irrationals' First stage: information gathering

    external, current
    internal, current
    external, potential
    internal, potential

    Irrationals' Second stage: decision making

    my own set of values, to benefit a group
    public set of values, to benefit myself
    public set of values, to benefit a group
    my own set of values, to benefit myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    mmm eeemh yeah, definitely:

    Rationals' first stage: decision making

    my own set of values, to benefit a group
    public set of values, to benefit myself
    public set of values, to benefit a group
    my own set of values, to benefit myself


    Rationals' Second stage: altering the environment

    external, current (attacking someone/giving orders)
    internal, current (feeding someone, giving sexual pleasure to someone)
    external, potential (spreading ideas)
    internal, potential (advicing on when to strike)
    cool. i don't really get what you mean by my own set of values vs public values though. so could you explain that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    So you agree with the rest of my theory?
    I agree the Perceiving functions can best be linked with information gathering, and Judging with decision making. Just I don't reall click with the rest:
    1. To my understanding, "current" is Bodies, that is basically the definition of it.
    2. Bodies/Fields is not necessarily something external/internal of you or something else. It is the cognitive function - as in conscience - that gives us the thoughts about something that is, right now, exists, is instanced, or happens. Its counterpart, Fields, is about things in general, properties & stuff. It is hard to explain this to all the types, unless very verbosely or they are well prepared about these concepts. IMO Extroverts generally have this tendency to "instance" things, anyway, when they think about them, visualise, imagine them as if they happen - and yes, even if this approach rather pertains to Internal Bodies (Ne, Fe), it is the best thing that can be used by Exernal Bodies-led types (Te, Se) - Role function. Introverts, on the contrary, think of them in general, formal terms.
    3. I don't know why you tied the Rational IEs with group or individual thinking. I think they are not directly related, it's just arbitrary choice.

    Last but not least, I really don't relate to your clichéistic associations of the IEs - Si with sexual pleasure and Se with aggression or domination - are you serious? Stop sensualizing the Delta ST, for the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    cool. i don't really get what you mean by my own set of values vs public values though. so could you explain that?
    and create their own rules. people are usually "fair" and people are usually "selfish" in my opinion. people thrive because they always want to get their way

    and do not create their own rules, they follow the ones that already exist. follow legal codes, handbooks, etc. follow "popular culture"
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