# Thread: Ti creative vs Te creative

1. ## Ti creative vs Te creative

in line with this thread ->http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...light=creative, I was wondering about the differences between creative Ti and Te.

If you take Te to be matter, and Ti, material relations, then Ti creative would be about changing material relationships, bringing some matter closer together and pushing others away. Te creative would be changing matter itself, adjusting its physical qualities but leaving its relationships intact. Is this correct?

2. Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly
matter, material relations
Te is method
Ti is logical structure

Thx for the low hanging fruit.

3. Originally Posted by Chen Duxiu
And in English?

For me, you're confuing physics with some mumbo jumbo.
*cough* sorry

ok in real terms, ti creative might be like calling yourself a doctor when you only have a bach biology degree. you link up the two by finding a similarity between what doctors do and what biologists do. so you create a new material relationship.

te creative might be like accepting that someone is a doctor, but changing their work itself, making it more efficient, in line with the "ideal" of doctor. sort of the opposite of Ti, the material relationship is taken for granted, and then the material form is adjusted to be in line with that.

4. Originally Posted by Esaman
Te is method
Ti is logical structure

Thx for the low hanging fruit.
i got matter from socionics wiki, it described te = matter, fe = energy, ne = time, and se = space. it's a simplification for sure but still useful imo

5. Originally Posted by Chen Duxiu
In real world 'biology degree' = PhD.

?
i meant bach biology degree. in any case not an MD

6. Thx for all the fish.

7. Originally Posted by Chen Duxiu
Cool with me. My point still stands, ie., I do no see the reason myself as to why I would want to 'change' certain, say, characteristics. A spade is a spade, and no matter how many times I emphasise that there is a more efficient way of calling a spade a spade, a spade is going to remain a spade.

Of course, I may as well didn't get the point you wanted to communicate.
im bad at explaining things lol
and its just my opinion, of course

anyway i see te creatives taking one thing and using it in another way, like they'd use a spade to hammer in a nail. is it still a spade to them ? i think te creatives accept a particular definiton of something and then change its actions to be in line with that, but the definition could be really different to what most people think of it as

8. Originally Posted by Esaman
Thx for all the fish.
sure

9. Te creative - "As a matter of fact, yes blah blah" "Im not sure thats entirely correct, blah blah"
TI creative - "Ha, this motherfucker right here is a genius!" "No, he's an idiot. 'Blah blah is blah blah blah'. Are you serious?"

10. Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly
i got matter from socionics wiki, it described te = matter, fe = energy, ne = time, and se = space.
Have it considered that it might be wrong?

11. Originally Posted by The Ineffable
Have it considered that it might be wrong?
have i you mean? yes of course, i dont take it as fact, it's just one of looking at it.

12. Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly
have i you mean? yes of course, i dont take it as fact, it's just one of looking at it.
Yes, you, I am sorry. I was not not fully awake at the time

It sounded like Wikisocion is a reliable, "true Socionics" source. I don't think "matter" is a better way of looking at it than the five elements metaphors. It does not make intuitive sense, even, since Te is a Dynamic IE. I would have understood if we were talking about Se...

13. What is meant by"matter"?

14. Originally Posted by Esaman
Te is method
Ti is logical structure
Agree with your conclusion, just Te cannot be method since Te is empirical, while method is not, it is a priori. True, Te block (Te + Pi) make types methodical, not Te alone.

If you need a word, just use "fact"; "experience" is good, too, just too generic and can apply to other Bodies functions as well, one way or another, IMO. Fact is the least ambiguous and the closest it can get to what Te processes, as far as I can tell.

15. Originally Posted by The Ineffable
Agree with your conclusion, just Te cannot be method since Te is empirical, while method is not, it is a priori. True, Te block (Te + Pi) make types methodical, not Te alone.

If you need a word, just use "fact"; "experience" is good, too, just too generic and can apply to other Bodies functions as well, one way or another, IMO. Fact is the least ambiguous and the closest it can get to what Te processes, as far as I can tell.
I think that empiricism is just method of choice of Te, because it is the clear methodology of achieving knowledge, as apposed to "theorycrafting" which is not procedural.

16. Originally Posted by Esaman
I think that empiricism is just method of choice of Te, because it is the clear methodology of achieving knowledge, as apposed to "theorycrafting" which is not procedural.
Right, just you don't care about what method of knowledge Te types prefer, but what notion could closely present Te itself. That of yours is merely an arbitrary choice. Why then don't you use other stereotypical traits of Te types, say "efficiency"?...

17. Originally Posted by Pookie
Te creative - "As a matter of fact, yes blah blah" "Im not sure thats entirely correct, blah blah"
TI creative - "Ha, this motherfucker right here is a genius!" "No, he's an idiot. 'Blah blah is blah blah blah'. Are you serious?"
Oh no that makes me Te creative...

18. Originally Posted by The Ineffable
Right, just you don't care about what method of knowledge Te types prefer, but what notion could closely present Te itself. That of yours is merely an arbitrary choice. Why then don't you use other stereotypical traits of Te types, say "efficiency"?...
You are probably right. I can't be arsed to really think about relationship between Te vision and empiricism. Now you know why was thanking for the low hanging fruit.

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