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    in line with this thread ->http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...light=creative, I was wondering about the differences between creative Ti and Te.

    If you take Te to be matter, and Ti, material relations, then Ti creative would be about changing material relationships, bringing some matter closer together and pushing others away. Te creative would be changing matter itself, adjusting its physical qualities but leaving its relationships intact. Is this correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    matter, material relations
    Te is method
    Ti is logical structure
    Neither is about matter.

    Thx for the low hanging fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chen Duxiu View Post
    And in English?

    For me, you're confuing physics with some mumbo jumbo.
    *cough* sorry

    ok in real terms, ti creative might be like calling yourself a doctor when you only have a bach biology degree. you link up the two by finding a similarity between what doctors do and what biologists do. so you create a new material relationship.

    te creative might be like accepting that someone is a doctor, but changing their work itself, making it more efficient, in line with the "ideal" of doctor. sort of the opposite of Ti, the material relationship is taken for granted, and then the material form is adjusted to be in line with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    Te is method
    Ti is logical structure
    Neither is about matter.

    Thx for the low hanging fruit.
    i got matter from socionics wiki, it described te = matter, fe = energy, ne = time, and se = space. it's a simplification for sure but still useful imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chen Duxiu View Post
    In real world 'biology degree' = PhD.



    ?
    i meant bach biology degree. in any case not an MD

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    Thx for all the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chen Duxiu View Post
    Cool with me. My point still stands, ie., I do no see the reason myself as to why I would want to 'change' certain, say, characteristics. A spade is a spade, and no matter how many times I emphasise that there is a more efficient way of calling a spade a spade, a spade is going to remain a spade.

    Of course, I may as well didn't get the point you wanted to communicate.
    im bad at explaining things lol
    and its just my opinion, of course

    anyway i see te creatives taking one thing and using it in another way, like they'd use a spade to hammer in a nail. is it still a spade to them ? i think te creatives accept a particular definiton of something and then change its actions to be in line with that, but the definition could be really different to what most people think of it as

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    Thx for all the fish.
    sure

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    Te creative - "As a matter of fact, yes blah blah" "Im not sure thats entirely correct, blah blah"
    TI creative - "Ha, this motherfucker right here is a genius!" "No, he's an idiot. 'Blah blah is blah blah blah'. Are you serious?"
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    i got matter from socionics wiki, it described te = matter, fe = energy, ne = time, and se = space.
    Have it considered that it might be wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    Have it considered that it might be wrong?
    have i you mean? yes of course, i dont take it as fact, it's just one of looking at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    have i you mean? yes of course, i dont take it as fact, it's just one of looking at it.
    Yes, you, I am sorry. I was not not fully awake at the time

    It sounded like Wikisocion is a reliable, "true Socionics" source. I don't think "matter" is a better way of looking at it than the five elements metaphors. It does not make intuitive sense, even, since Te is a Dynamic IE. I would have understood if we were talking about Se...
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    What is meant by"matter"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    Te is method
    Ti is logical structure
    Neither is about matter.
    Agree with your conclusion, just Te cannot be method since Te is empirical, while method is not, it is a priori. True, Te block (Te + Pi) make types methodical, not Te alone.

    If you need a word, just use "fact"; "experience" is good, too, just too generic and can apply to other Bodies functions as well, one way or another, IMO. Fact is the least ambiguous and the closest it can get to what Te processes, as far as I can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    Agree with your conclusion, just Te cannot be method since Te is empirical, while method is not, it is a priori. True, Te block (Te + Pi) make types methodical, not Te alone.

    If you need a word, just use "fact"; "experience" is good, too, just too generic and can apply to other Bodies functions as well, one way or another, IMO. Fact is the least ambiguous and the closest it can get to what Te processes, as far as I can tell.
    I think that empiricism is just method of choice of Te, because it is the clear methodology of achieving knowledge, as apposed to "theorycrafting" which is not procedural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    I think that empiricism is just method of choice of Te, because it is the clear methodology of achieving knowledge, as apposed to "theorycrafting" which is not procedural.
    Right, just you don't care about what method of knowledge Te types prefer, but what notion could closely present Te itself. That of yours is merely an arbitrary choice. Why then don't you use other stereotypical traits of Te types, say "efficiency"?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Te creative - "As a matter of fact, yes blah blah" "Im not sure thats entirely correct, blah blah"
    TI creative - "Ha, this motherfucker right here is a genius!" "No, he's an idiot. 'Blah blah is blah blah blah'. Are you serious?"
    Oh no that makes me Te creative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    Right, just you don't care about what method of knowledge Te types prefer, but what notion could closely present Te itself. That of yours is merely an arbitrary choice. Why then don't you use other stereotypical traits of Te types, say "efficiency"?...
    You are probably right. I can't be arsed to really think about relationship between Te vision and empiricism. Now you know why was thanking for the low hanging fruit.

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