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    As a delta, which is more preferable:

    A work environment with colleagues who value your base and demonstrative, or one which valued your creative and mobilising?

    For example, for me (SLI) an Alpha environment with valued Si/Ti or a Gamma environment with valued Te/Fi.

    For EII it'd be Gamma (Fi/Ni) or Alpha (Ne/Si)

    For IEE it'd be Alpha (Ne/Fe) or Gamma (Fi/Te)

    And for LSE it'd be Gamma (Te/Se) or Alpha (Si/Ne)
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    Interesting. I would get tired of using my creative so I say my base

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    Base and demonstrative, probably.
    Though there's a draw to base and mobilising, I think the mobilising might be too weak to not lead to stress while being evaluated on it.
    Base would make it easy and fun.
    Demonstrative might be a bit annoying to have to consciously attend to, though.

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    Ugh, nvm, I reread and it's the environment values you are referring to, not the job itself.
    In that case, most likely creative and mobilising.
    If it was dual seeking and demonstrative, possibly that.
    But given the choices I would prefer Te/Fi valuing rather than Ti/Fe valuing.
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    Edited my OP for clarity.

    I feel like it would naturally divide depending on which subtype you are. But the possibility has presented itself to me and I'm not so sure.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Waster View Post
    Edited my OP for clarity.

    I feel like it would naturally divide depending on which subtype you are. But the possibility has presented itself to me and I'm not so sure.
    Yeah, i think the demonstrative really throws in the twist. It's something you are just as strong in as your base, but having to consciously focus on it while also having to set aside not just one value but two values can create conflict. You would have to ignore your creative in order to support the demonstrative. But if you were to be natural, your focus on your creative/mobilising would cause conflict with those who think it's the wrong thing to consider.

    But then, Myself, I would wind up in conflict with gamma's Se/Ni valuers anyways. Or be totally stressed.

    And i didn't even cover the polr part that would also be valued with the demonstrative.

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    I think in a work environment I prefer qualities like is willing to help, doesn't leave shit for me to do, rather than what function is it....so your answer depends on the personality and the nature of the job among many things. I don't get what function they are supposed to like this is irrelevant if people are adult enough to have a degree of tolerance and work together.

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    I don't really know if I have base, or if I am demonstrative... I am not mobilizing. I need someone else to mobilize me, but what I need the most for feeling good is being creative. If the work is too strict and doesn't allow me to do stuff of my own way and develop my own approach, I feel so limited and pushed down. I don't think i'd ever really like a job without any creative element, that would be a prison for me, not a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vain View Post
    I don't really know if I have base, or if I am demonstrative... I am not mobilizing. I need someone else to mobilize me, but what I need the most for feeling good is being creative. If the work is too strict and doesn't allow me to do stuff of my own way and develop my own approach, I feel so limited and pushed down. I don't think i'd ever really like a job without any creative element, that would be a prison for me, not a job.
    Fyi, if you are EII then
    Your base (1) is Fi.
    Your demonstrative (8) is Ni.
    Your mobilizing (6) is Si.
    And your creative (2) is Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esq View Post
    Conversations, discussing ideas, creative fantasizing, bullshitting, and brainstorming - these are more fun with ppl who share .

    Being productive, getting a job done, optimizing systems, talking about ethics, and talking about problems, solutions, and methods - these are more tolerable with people who share .

    Alpha and Gamma are both compromises.
    This is definitely the best take on the OPs question, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    I think in a work environment I prefer qualities like is willing to help, doesn't leave shit for me to do, rather than what function is it....so your answer depends on the personality and the nature of the job among many things. I don't get what function they are supposed to like this is irrelevant if people are adult enough to have a degree of tolerance and work together.
    Sure, but all things being equal.. hence the question.

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    i don't envy this decision you have to make. Good luck.
    I appreciate your concern, but the situation isn't that dire.

    Both situations are tolerable, and indeed enjoyable.





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    Yeah, well, i suck at making decisions. One could almost say most decisions are dire to me

    Which job activities would you be doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    Yeah, well, i suck at making decisions. One could almost say most decisions are dire to me

    Which job activities would you be doing?
    Same job, different place of work.

    It's retail, so till, stock and the like. We operate as a two person team, so inter-type relations play a more important role then say, a large retail outlet.





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    Oh, that makes sense.
    Have you tried deciding on one, and then seeing how you feel about that, then doing the same for the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    Oh, that makes sense.
    Have you tried deciding on one, and then seeing how you feel about that, then doing the same for the other?
    I'm quite ambivalent about it to be honest. I wouldn't mind either, one would just be closer but gamma led. I get on with both, it just got me thinking about the OP.





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    I'd pick Te/Fi concerning work for sure - At least with the persons I know.

    Leisure time I can enjoy both.

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    As far as things go I usually use Ne to recognize my duals creative output and to give recognition and praise for it.

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    If their dont value my creative, they value my polr.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    I'm usually better off working with alphas when we're moving towards a common goal, although both are ultimately fine. Expectations in behavior sync up much easier. Gammas are easier for bonding intellectually and emotionally, but it usually happens best when we're just sitting down and hashing things out verbally. Palling around with gamma types leads to some weird internal disconnect, like I have to alter the way I perceive the world somehow in order for us to communicate properly.
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    Base for me too. Alpha.
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