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    7 that has been through pain but is growing from it and making the best out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    The third one's a sp/so 927 or even 926.


    Some angsty 7 music:


    cp6w7-3w2-8w7 sx/so ILE--D

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    Those lyrics are extremely 7-like: "Just getting started and my life's a party"



    #DoingTheMost #TheWholeWorldKnowMeNow (some 3 mixed in)

    @Daddy Lessons this is our soundtrack. It's a bit SP/SO though, SX wouldn't disrespect or neglect their partner like that Anyways enjoy the epicness of this. The bed frame is my personal highlight.

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    Seven is in the trio of Enneagram styles that respond fearfully to life. Where frightened Fives withdraw socially and Sixes become self-doubting or suspicious, Sevens manage their fears in a much different way. People with this style tend to suppress and escape their anxiety by willfully focusing on the positive and imagining plans, options and possibilities. Sevens are natural optimists who look on the bright side, make lemonade out of lemons and keep happily active. While this is the key to what is healthiest about them, the defensive point of this strategy is to avoid inner pain and be hard to hit as a moving target.

    . . .

    When Sevens are less healthy, their enthusiasm for life and their positive outlook devolve into compulsive appetite and an escapist desire to avoid pain. Their appetite can be for food, drugs, ideas, activity, people, new experiences, etc. This hunger is part of a defensive attempt to manage and suppress what one Seven called his “less than totally wonderful feelings.”

    In the waking trance of their Enneagram style, less healthy Sevens flee their pain by searching out the new, trying to maintain a high by flavoring reality with their fantasies of what will be. To this end, they can be dilettantish, impulsive, undisciplined and impersonal; covering up their pain with high spirits and antic behavior. In contrast to Sixes who focus on the doughnut hole instead of the doughnut, entranced Sevens compulsively deny the negative. A woman who had worked for a Six and then for a Seven said, “With my first boss nothing was ever right; with my second boss nothing was ever wrong.”

    Sevens can entertain many interests, but sometimes indiscriminately so; their knowledge is extensive but shallow, rather like a jack-of-all-trades. As a friend of a Seven grumbled, “I’ve never met anyone who can be so fascinating on so many subjects that I don’t give a damn about.” Another friend agreed: “He is one of those people whose fascination with ideas tends to obscure the fact that the ideas are not connected to reality in any tangible way.”

    . . .

    Deeply unhealthy Sevens can narcissistically inflate themselves and grow obsessed with grandiose visions. They refuse responsibility for their actions and resist all constraints on their behavior. Anyone who gets in the way of an unhealthy Seven risks being knocked down; all promises to others are broken. Tendencies toward addictions and manic-depressive cycles can become grippingly strong. They may even call legal forces down on themselves. The “world” has to restrain the antisocial behavior born of the Seven’s inner cravings. Recalling his drug-addicted years, a Seven said, “My drug of choice was always more.”

    . . .

    While many Sevens seem to glide lightly through life, they are often dragging an invisible ball and chain and their escapist impulses are in direct proportion to how trapped or burdened they feel. The pattern is like someone breaking out of jail on the last weekend of their sentence, going on a spree, getting caught and then thrown back in jail for a longer term.

    . . .

    Sevens protect themselves through the defense mechanism of reframing, which means changing the meaning of your raw experience into something more pleasant or desirable. One way to reframe is through rationalizing – using words as a form of self-hypnosis, to talk yourself in and out of different feelings, putting a positive spin on negative events, creating what psychologists call “slidings of meaning.”

    A Seven who had been married eight times and was defensive about his reputation said, “I’m sick and tired of being described as ‘much married.’ I’ve only been married twice in the last 26 years.” Rationalizing takes the bite out of the truth, the edge off of unpleasant facts. Two marriages in 26 years sounds reasonable compared to an embarrassing grand total of eight.
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    Hey I'm type 7... And 7-ish is like hmmm..


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    If we understand gluttony more broadly, in the sense of a passion for pleasure, we may say that this definitely is a capital sin – inasmuch as it implies a deviation from an individual's potential for self-actualization; hedonism is binding upon the psyche and involves (through confusion) an obstacle in the search for the summum bonum and a snare. We may say that a weakness for pleasure constitutes a generalized susceptibility to temptation, and in this light we can understand Chaucer's statement in his "The Parson's Tale" to the effect that "He that is addicted to this sin of gluttony may withstand no other sin."

    Ennea-type VII individuals, are more than just open minded, exploratory: their search for experience takes them, characteristically, from an insufficient here to a promising there. The "insatiability" of the glutton is, however, veiled over by an apparent satisfaction; or more precisely said, frustration is hidden behind enthusiasm-an enthusiasm that seems to compensate for dissatisfaction as well as keeping the experience of frustration away from the individual's awareness.
    Closely related to self-indulgence is the trait of being "spoiled," usually employed in reference to an attitude of entitlement to gratification. Also the "play-boy" orientation to life falls in here, and, indirectly, the exaggerated sense of okayness that the individual develops as a protection of hedonism against pain and frustration: the "optimistic attitude" that not only makes him and others OK, but the whole world a good one to live in. In some cases we may speak of a "cosmic okayness," in which the individual's contentedness is supported by a view of the world in which there is no good or evil, no guilt, no shoulds,no duties, and no need to make any efforts-for it is enough to enjoy.
    Through charm the glutton can satisfy his gluttony as effectively as a fisherman succeeds with bait, which implies that pleasing and charm are not just seductive but manipulative. Through his great charm the glutton can enchant others and even himself. Among his skills is that of fascination-hypnotic fascination even-and charm is his magic.
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    Of course, without rebelliousness self-indulgence would not be possible in the inhibiting world of present civilization. The main things to be said of type VII rebellion are that it manifests most visibly in a keen eye for conventional prejudices and that it usually finds a humorous outlet. Also, the rebelliousness is mostly embodied in an anti-conventional orientation while intellectual rebellion goes hand-in-hand with a good measure of behavioral acquiescence. This characteristic makes type VII people the ideologists of revolutions, rather than the activists.

    Ennea-type VII is typically not oriented towards authorities. It might be said that the glutton has "learned" early in life that there is no good authority, yet adopts toward authority an attitude that is diplomatic rather than oppositional. An aspect of implicit rebellion is the fact that the type VII individual mostly lives in a non-hierarchical psychological environment: just as type VI perceives himself exaggeratedly in terms of his relationships to superiors and inferiors, type VII is "equalitarian" in her approach to people. Neither does she takes authority too seriously (for this would Inilitate against her self- indulgence, permissiveness, lack of guilt, and superiority) nor does she present to others as an authority, except in a covert way which seeks to impress while at the same time assuming the garb of modesty.
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    The word "play-boy" reflects not only hedonism but the non-committed attitude of an enjoyer. The lack of discipline in this character is a consequence of his interest in not postponing pleasure-and, at a deeper level, rests on the perception of pleasure-postponement as lovelessness.
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    . . . Like type II on the antipodes of the enneagram, type VII is eminently seductive, and is bent on pleasing through both helpfulness and a problem-free, cheerful contentedness.The amiable aspect of this character is alluded to by such descriptors as II warm," "helpful," "friendly," "obliging," "selflessly ready to serve," and "generous." Gluttons are very good hosts and can be great spenders. In the degree to which generosity is a part of seductiveness and a way of buying love rather than a true giving, it is counterbalanced in the psyche of the glutton by its corresponding opposite: a hidden but effective exploitativeness that may manifest as a parasitic tendency and perhaps in feelings of entitlement to care and affection.
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    We may think of ennea-type VII as a person in whom love seeking has turned to pleasure seeking and who in the necessary measure of rebellion that this entails, sets out to satisfy his wishes through becoming a skillful explainer and rationalizer. A charlatan is of course one who is able to persuade others of the usefulness of what he sells. However, beyond the intellectual activity of explanation, which can become a narcissistic vice in type VII, persuasiveness rests in one's own belief in one's wisdom, superiority, respectability, and goodness of intentions. Thus only artificially can we separate traits that exist in close inter-wovenness: being admirable serves persuasiveness, as also does pleasingness.

    The qualities of being a persuader and a knowledge source usually find expression in type VII in beconling an adviser at times in a professional capacity. Charlatans like to influence others through advice. We may see not only narcissistic satisfaction and the expression of helpfulness in charlatanism but also an interest in manipulating through words: "laying trips" on people and having them implement the persuader's projects. Along with a manipulative motivation to influence others we may consider the high intelligence, high verbal ability, capability of suggesting, and so forth, that usually characterize type VII individuals.
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    First of all there is self-idealization, which in the mind of the type VII person is linked with the denial of guilt and also with the narcissistic attitude and its claims. It may come across as self-propagandizing, even though the self-congratulating individual believes in his idealized version of himself.

    Idealization also operates importantly in relation to people, and particularly in regard to the mother and mother surrogates. (Just as type VI males tend to be father lovers or father idealizers, tender-minded type VII individuals are characteristically devoted to their mothers and rebellious in the face of authority wielding fathers. In relation to authority figures in general, type VII seems to have adopted a de-idealizing attitude, implicit in its non-hierarchic orientation.)

    It is possible to say that the optimistic attitude characteristic of type VII and the joyful mood that is habitual to them would not be possible without the operation of idealization in regard to the world in general and the more significant people in it. In relationship with others as in connection with oneself, optimism entails the suspension of criticality and blaming, and an assumption of lovingness as well as loveability. There is a strong bias toward the feeling expressed by the slogan ''I'm OK, you're OK." Beyond that, there is a tendency to entertain a "cosmic optimism"-the sense that everything is all-right in the world and that there is no need to struggle.
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    . . . As in the case of the other passions, we may understand gluttony as an attempt to fill an emptiness. Gluttony, just as (oral-aggressive) envy, seeks outside something that it dimly perceives that it lacks inside. Only unlike envy (in which there is pronounced awareness of ontic insufficiency), gluttony fraudulently covers up the insufficiency with a false abundance comparable to that of pride. (In this way the passion is acted out without full self-awareness).

    Ontic deficiency is not only the source of hedonism (and pain avoidance) however, but also its consequence; for the confusion between love and pleasure fails to bring about the deeper meaningfulness than that of the immediately available. A sense of inner scarcity is also, of course, supported by alienation of the individual from his experiential depth, which occurs as a consequence of the hedonistic need to experience only what is pleasing. It is nurtured also by the implicit fear that permeates the type in its soft accomodatingness--a fear not compatible with the living of one's true life. Also manipulativeness (however masked by amiability this may be), presupposes a loss of true relationship, a divorcing of oneself from the sense of community, and the fradulent sense of community, that is part of seductive charm, does not completely mask over that emptiness.
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    I think Taylor Swift is so/sx 7w6. I've seen her typed 3 before and there is something polished but I think it's soc first because I don't see any *shame* with her or any kind of her thinking of how she is being seen, besides in the soc way. She is very enthustiastic and full of positive energy like a 7. She is a slightly more low-key 7w6 compared to like Adele which I think is well partly because the so/sx stacking, and 721 tritype. 7+2 is gentle, the 1 keeps her 'in check' which 2 amplifies because its another moralistic type.



    Also in this video she say's when she writes songs it's not about the place (sp) it's about the people (soc).

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    ^3w2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jailbait View Post
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    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    Why?
    3s and 7s can be similar but the major difference is the prescence of the head energy in 7, especially 7w6 which has more obvious elements of anxiety. So 7 in particular is the MOST obviously 7, most head-like or childish. They are more obviously goofy or clownish, or have some kind of witty sense of humor at the forefront most of the time. Taylor is just super polished and ambitious, and tries to fit a mold whenever needed - she originally started out as a good girl writing songs about fairytale style romances but is now an "edgier" "bad bitch" and is always following these trends. 7 usually sticks out more in some way, even so first and actually so first sticks out the most. Sp first 7 is more focused on material things, working, getting what they want in their possession and are most likely to be mistaken for 3 or 8, sx first 7 is more likely to be mistaken for an image type especially 4 as they are prone to fantasize more... So 7 is focused on a positive future for everyone as well as typical so and 7 things.

    I can probably think of some good examples of so 7 to compare to her later, right now I'm in a bit of a hangover. But I believe Swift is so/sp too - she has the icier and slightly more awkward or detached vibe of the so/sp rather than the so/sx. And I can't think of a single time that she's been brash or screwed up like an sp last. She is notorious for being fake and for using social movements to get her needs and wants fulfilled (ex. feminism even though she has never used feminism for the good of others) which is what I expect more from both a 3 and a so/sp. So first 7 has a clear struggle between what they want and what's best for the group, it is the countertype of 7 - so first 3 is more vain. She is obsessed with her image to the point that she has sued people over petty things.
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    Cheryl in Riverdale is like the archetype 7w8




    And, all the characters Megan Fox has ever played...

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    I was doing a selfie and then the circle ⭕ focus on my phone camera
    Suddenly highlighted my pussy,

    I am wearing a one piece shirt and one of my legs are like this :
    (i don't wear underwear)

    Then the camera focus highlighted my pussy,

    It says, "facial recognition failed"

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    I like this song alot
    7 because "living la dolce vita"

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    Looking at how Melanie acts while on stage and her body langugage it's clear that she's not a 4. Compare to someone like Lana del Rey whose body language is like "omg omg everyone is looking at me, god im so embarrassed and uncomfortable, what do i do with my body" even though she's done it over a hundred times.


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    7w8 sx/sp (Si'Ne)




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    Tried being an 8.. Being a 7 is the best thing ever

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    L.O.C. 7w8 so/sp (ESE)




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    sx/so 7w8

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    Nicholas Cage 7w8 sx/sp (EP)




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    Celldweller - 7w8 so/sx "darksider" sx-subtype (Ne-IEE)




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    7 giving advice to 6w5. People from the same center helping each other out is my aesthetic.


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    sp/sx 7w6 I think 749.

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    And then Lady Gaga - sp/sx 7w8, 749. They remind me alot of eachother but Lady Gaga is the older more confident sister, and Brittany is the little, doubting sister.


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    The energy/vibe of the song itself is very 7+9,
    and the lyrics themselves are also a mix of both those types but with a stronger lean towards 9.

    All in all, 7 with a strong 9 fix.
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