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    Quote Originally Posted by malignantwench View Post
    Diana was a 6w7 ISFP not a 9.
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    9w8 so/sx - Jared Taylor



    9w8 so/sx? (LSI?) - Bryan Melvin



    9w8 sp/sx the "ascetic" strong SP subtype - Les Carton



    9w1 - Lisa A. Romano
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    reminds one cute and not easy girl

    another pirozhok alike E9w8 sx

    at [1:16:36]

    hm... another pie looking one for today (7 Nov). this one even also has yellow eyes
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    e9 + Ti


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    Fiona isn't a 9 but the video is


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    a 9's analysis for the 3's success


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    @silke, why is the narrator a nine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @silke, why is the narrator a nine?
    he has mentioned in previous videos that he is too appeasing, and that he tends to positively reframe events which is a deal with the positive outlook types (7-9-2)

    he's also SEI-Fe btw

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    9w1 (Si/Ne?)




    9w1 (Se/Ni sp/so?)

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    ENNEATYPE IX: INDOLENCE

    Indolence or psychological laziness is also spiritual
    inertia, and EIX entails not only a not wanting to know,
    an “ostrich policy,” but also overstability, a resistance to
    change. This is, in general, a person who is overadapted
    to the desires of others, overly complacent, and with
    scant initiative. His or her inner state resembles going
    around half asleep, half dead to life. This is a dispassion-
    ate, phlegmatic character, though the switching off of
    his or her personal desires frequently coincides with a
    jovial, gregarious disposition. In human relations, how-
    ever, this is an overly self-sacrificing person, overly
    resigned, passive, conformist; generally a simple person,
    “without problems”—apart from his or her excessive
    intolerance of troubles and excessive difficulty when it
    comes to saying “no,” which often makes these people a
    target for exploitation.

    It would appear that there is less to say about EIX than
    the other characters in view of the great simplification of
    their psychological life. Their tendency to forget their own
    needs due to excessive complacence apparently coincides
    with the Christian ideal, and not bothering anyone does
    not have a clear place in the current diagnostic categories
    of aberrant personalities. One of the defense mechanisms
    that characterizes this type (which Freud called “altruistic
    self-postponement”) has even been considered less patho-
    logical than others in virtue of its social function. But the
    advantage of EIX (just like the disadvantage of Enneatypes
    IV and V, at the other pole of the Enneagram) is more
    apparent than real, since these people’s automatic, com-
    pulsive altruism does not make them ethically better than
    others. Actually, it might be said that destructiveness is
    less visible in this character.

    In his description of the “dim man,” Theophrastus
    calls our attention to a cognitive laziness that is charac-
    teristic of Enneatype IX, with intellectual, as well as spiri-
    tual, befuddlement: “Dimness might be defined as a
    slowness of the mind with respect to words and actions.”
    Some of the examples that he includes in his descrip-
    tion refer to absent-mindedness; others reflect not only
    the lack of attention, but also the lack of intellectual
    interest. “If he goes to the theater, he falls asleep and
    when the play is over, everyone leaves and he remains
    alone in the theater.” This behavior of the “dim man” in
    particular may also be interpreted as a lack of cultural
    sophistication, which is the consequence of intellectual
    laziness and concreteness that leads to another character
    that Theophrastus calls “rusticity.”

    Though he defines “rusticity” as ignorance, lacking
    in manners, his portrait suggests something very close to
    a closed mentality. He emphasizes the narrowness of
    interests, an excess of concreteness, and the limiting of
    life in favor of functionality. He also alludes implicitly
    not just to a simple lack of refinement, but to despiritu-
    alization:

    He wears shoes that are bigger than his feet and speaks
    in a loud, booming voice. He distrusts friends and rela-
    tives and entrusts his most important secrets to his ser-
    vants ... He neither stops nor makes inquiries in the
    street for any other reason; but, however, he stands and
    stares when he sees an ox, an ass, or a billy goat.
    Among the Italian masks, Enneatype IX is to be rec-
    ognized in that of Gianduia. Carla Poesio explains in her
    book as follows:

    Nowadays there exists a kind of chocolate bar called
    gianduiotto in honor of Gianduia, an old mask from
    Piamonte, and they are called so after the Giandujott,

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    the children of Gianduia. It is difficult to find a boy
    who is gayer, healthier, more pleased with his lot.
    Maybe because they are peasants. His mother
    Giacometta and his father Gianduia have given rise to
    a very large family. It is difficult to know how many
    Giandujott there are.

    He likes to visit the different inns of the city and his
    humor and gaiety entertains those present. He is not
    handsome but is pleasant. Plump and tanned, with a
    slightly naïve expression, it is always easy to make fun
    of him.

    Excerpt from:

    The Enneagram of Society: Healing the Soul to Heal the World
    by Claudio Naranjo

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    9w1 (Se/Ni sp/so?)

    I liked the post because I think on the surface The Tao Te Ching loosely fits the idea of a 9w1, without any serious pathology, when associating it to a personalty. It may seem like a spiritually lazy or inert philosophy. It could probably loosely fit the healthy versions of a couple other E types as well depending on the book translation and your understanding of what it is trying to convey.

    This is a dispassion-
    ate, phlegmatic character, though the switching off of
    his or her personal desires frequently coincides with a
    jovial, gregarious disposition. In human relations, how-
    ever, this is an overly self-sacrificing person, overly
    resigned, passive, conformist; generally a simple person,
    “without problems”—apart from his or her excessive
    intolerance of troubles and excessive difficulty when it
    comes to saying “no,” which often makes these people a
    target for exploitation.

    It would appear that there is less to say about EIX than
    the other characters in view of the great simplification of
    their psychological life. Their tendency to forget their own
    needs due to excessive complacence apparently coincides
    with the Christian ideal, and not bothering anyone does
    not have a clear place in the current diagnostic categories
    of aberrant personalities. One of the defense mechanisms
    that characterizes this type (which Freud called “altruistic
    self-postponement”) has even been considered less patho-
    logical than others in virtue of its social function. But the
    advantage of EIX (just like the disadvantage of Enneatypes
    IV and V, at the other pole of the Enneagram) is more
    apparent than real, since these people’s automatic, com-
    pulsive altruism does not make them ethically better than
    others. Actually, it might be said that destructiveness is
    less visible in this character.
    ^From the Naranjo book I am currently reading which sparked me to respond to your post.

    In practice it is not easy to follow the teachings of "the way" or enneagram. It is not an intellectually lazy path that is deadened to the world for the "master". Reading the words too literal would make it appear to be a simple system for simple people. I understand why you posted it though and I agree.

    My sister is a 9 and she leans toward following the Tao Te Ching and Christianity in a simplistic, almost childlike way without really questioning too much and ignoring whole aspects of it. She says go with the flow... she still struggles. Those who know her best know the surface demeanor and seemingly balanced presence hides some real dark tendencies that come out in her art instead of her words. I see this in a lot of religions since some of the followers could be likened to 9s as a personality type when it comes to their spiritual beliefs. She was that way as a christian too which she still somewhat considers herself. She believes that Jesus or god will answer her prayers. It is all very passive.

    The movement along the arrow lines of the Enneagram indicates specific steps in a cycle of transformation. This flow of the cycle of transformation, symbolized by the lines of the “hexad” piece of the symbol, charts a process of change that can be likened to the organic unfolding of natural processes as expressed in the idea of “The Way” or the Tao as described in the Tao Te Ching, the main text of Taoism. Personality, then, as represented by the Enneagram, can be seen as a form of getting stuck or “fixated” at one point along this natural path of change—a defensive mechanism through which we protect ourselves, but also resist the natural flow or rhythm of life.

    The Significance of Nine

    Nine represents the boundary between the mundane and the
    transcendental infinite.
    —Michael S. Schneider, A Beginner’s Guide to Constructing the

    Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science

    The Enneagram’s circle of nine points can be seen as a boundary between the finite or the mundane nature of human life (as experienced by the Personality) and the infinite that lies beyond human consciousness—the larger reality of the universe that is beyond human comprehension when we are fixated in the Personality’s limited viewpoint. Nine is the final number in the base-10 system that has a specific identity. As such, it symbolizes the highest achievement in a specific endeavor: the utmost boundary.

    The ancient Greeks called nine “the horizon.” For them it also represented that which encloses or binds the essential elements of any event into a whole. A. G. E. Blake explains that in the Enneagram diagram, “the apex point 9 is unique” because “it represents the beginning and end of the cycle…that which gives the form of the whole. It is the source of the purpose that has to be realized.”20

    We can find many correlations between the Enneagram’s nine types and certain elements of ancient wisdom that are found in different forms of classic texts.

    According to the Kabbalah, for example, the essence of the unknowable divine is portrayed in a diagram called the “Tree of Life.” This Tree has ten Sefirot, or numbers that represent divine principles, nine of which correspond directly to the nine Enneagram archetypes. (The tenth, Keter, is placed above the Enneagram diagram, as it reflects the Messiah’s soul and so doesn’t relate to the human Personality.)21


    The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge
    By Beatrice Chestnut

    The Tao Te Ching [simplified Chinese: 道德经; traditional Chinese: 道德經; pinyin: Dàodéjīng], also referred to as the Lao Tzu [Chinese: 老子; pinyin: Lǎozǐ] is an ancient Chinese text consisting of spiritual teachings, folk wisdom, political instruction, cosmology, observations of nature, anti-Confucian doctrine, and mystical insights. Just as the Chinese language has experienced numerous transformations, the Tao Te Ching has changed and evolved over time. The present form of the Tao Te Ching is an amalgam of the combined wisdom and insight of many Chinese sages, which took form between the seventh and second centuries B.C.E.[1]

    Next to the Bible and Bhagavad Gita, the Tao Te Ching is the most translated book in the world. Well over a hundred different renditions of the Taoist classic have been made into English alone, not to mention the dozens in German, French, Italian, Dutch, Latin, and other European languages. There are several reasons for the superabundance of translations. The first is that the Tao Te Ching is considered to be the fundamental text of both philosophical Taoism [taojia] and religious Taoism [taojiao].... As such, the Tao Te Ching shares crucial points of similarity with other major religious scriptures the world over.
    The second reason for the popularity of the Tao Te Ching is its brevity. There are few bona fide classics that are so short, yet so packed with food for thought. One can read and reread the Tao Te Ching scores of times without exhausting the insights it offers.

    The third aspect that accounts for the wide repute of the Tao Te Ching is its deceptive simplicity: In the words of the author himself, it is supposedly "very easy to understand," when actually it is quite difficult to comprehend fully. Paradox is the essence of the Tao Te Ching, so much so that even scholars with a solid grounding in classical Chinese cannot be sure they have grasped what the Old Master is really saying in his pithy maxims....[2]
    While not as well known as Taoist traditions that developed later, the Taoist Meditation Tradition of Lao Tzu (also known as the "Water Tradition") began a millenium before the Tao Te Ching was written and is a living tradition that continues until the present day. There are allusions to and/or metaphors for water practices throughout the Tao Te Ching, for example:

    The supreme excellence is to be like water.
    Water's excellence benefits the ten thousand things, yet it does not struggle.
    It settles in the place that many people reject.
    Therefore it is close to the Tao. [Chapter 8][7]
    Nothing in this world
    is as soft and yielding as water.
    Yet for dissolving the hard and inflexible,
    nothing can surpass it.
    The soft overcomes the hard;
    the gentle overcomes the rigid.
    Everyone knows this is true,
    but few can put it into practice. [Chapter 78][8]
    There are two main methods of Chinese Taoist meditation: the fire and water approaches. The fire method emphasizes force and pushing forward. It has the characteristics of flame, ever leaping forward to consume more fuel. The water method, on the other hand, believes in effort without force, in relaxation, in letting go. It displays the characteristics of water: softness and flow.

    The original water school of Taoism came into flower during Lao Tse's time, around twenty-five hundred years ago. Unlike the Neo-Taoist fire tradition, the original water school Taoists had no great drive toward physical immortality, a major focus of Neo-Taoism. [Neo-Taoism is a major branch of Taoism that came into being in third-century China. It combines Taoist metaphysics with Confucian social and political philosophy.] While the water method is known for not forcing things, for literally letting things occur in their own time, it is far from passive. Adherents of the water method prepare in every possible way so that when circumstances are ripe for successful completion of their practice, they are fully open and available to the moment.
    The Taoist water meditation tradition, deeply rooted in the I Ching, had a thousand-year history behind it before Lao Tse appeared. Lao Tse did not originate the water method tradition or its basic principles by any means, but he was the first one to record them in writing. He wrote the Tao Te Ching on his journey out of the country, trying to get away from worldly life. One of his students, a border guard, refused Lao Tse passage, demanding that he leave behind some principles in writing before he left the country and went into seclusion.

    The water method is a practical way to release blockages in the whole mind/body so one can fully transform and ultimately experience conscious harmony with the Tao, right down to one's bone marrow. Then one naturally acts according to the principles of the Tao Te Ching. [Many of the phrases of the Tao Te Ching are what might be called philosophical sound-bites: one-line explanations that are simplified versions of complete and complicated practices in Taoism....]
    https://theosophy.wiki/en/Tao_Te_Ching_(book)

    Just wanted to comment on it since I feel a draw to it (among other philosophies on life) but do not find it an easy path in practice. It is like an ideal I am drawn to, in essence, that requires too much sacrifice living in the modern world. I have found enneagram easier to work with even though it appears more complicated in many ways.

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     




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