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    So Fe/Ti types are Merry and Fi/Te types are Serious.

    Then what did DJ mean in his IEI Imposter video when he said EIIs were more "lighthearted?"
     


    I do seem to recall Fe-users are more likely to jestfully insult themselves than Fi-users. Does that have something to do with it?

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    ...what he said was "INFJ(mbti) are lighthearted" with the assumption that there is j to p flip between socionics and mbti.

    My advice is not to mix socionics with mbti. That will only confuse and mislead you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    ...what he said was "INFJ(mbti) are lighthearted" with the assumption that there is j to p flip between socionics and mbti.

    My advice is not to mix socionics with mbti. That will only confuse and mislead you.
    He said MBTI INFPs/Soc EII INFjs are lighthearted, not IEIs. IEIs were, according to him, less lighthearted, even though they're "Merry." That's what's confusing.

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    7:55 approx "If you are ... no, think you are INFJ(mbti, as he is talking to mbti community) and I say you are lighthearted. you don't get it."
    Ambigous, but I think he talking about IEI wannabe not understanding what lighthearted is supposed to mean while assuming that real IEI would.

    Going on from single ambiguous sentence is silly anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubozoan View Post
    He said MBTI INFPs/Soc EII INFjs are lighthearted, not IEIs. IEIs were, according to him, less lighthearted, even though they're "Merry." That's what's confusing.
    DJ self-typed as SLE (at one point, when I saw him on another forum). That video was him complaining about MBTI INFPs claiming to be INFJs (because according to the j/p switch in his mind, INFPs are EIIs and his conflictors, and INFJs are IEIs and his duals).

    So his critique is directed at MBTI, or, rather, JCF INFPs, who are to him EIIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esaman View Post
    7:55 approx "If you are ... no, think you are INFJ(mbti, as he is talking to mbti community) and I say you are lighthearted. you don't get it."
    Ambigous, but I think he talking about IEI wannabe not understanding what lighthearted is supposed to mean while assuming that real IEI would.

    Going on from single ambiguous sentence is silly anyway.
    He said "and I say you are lighthearted" in response to the fake INFJ thinking they're INFJ. That implies that DJ's questioning the validity of their self-typing as INFJ and that real INFJs, according to DJ, are not lighthearted.

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    I don't know if this explains it, but from what i understand betas are kind of high strung in general? Like, they're not sweet, and they're not soft....when they''re laughing they're intense about it. It isn't just like, lets sit down and have some tea and gentle conversation??

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    Ummm, that's not what he meant.

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    This merely refers to an entirely subjective way of reacting to situations - of course IEIs can be completely Serious etc.

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    Se polr is more lighthearted than a Beta type. Betas are darker, more intense and competitive, fighter-spirited and so forth.

    Dude in the video is SLE and he probably has an acute perception of a "fluffier and softer" nature of EII.

    I don't see what Merry vs. Serious has to do with it. Merry doesn't mean the person is always high on endorphins. It just means they pay more attention to some "emotional atmosphere" and operate according to subjectivist logic. (there's no optimal/correct way of solving a problem, depends on how you look at things., truth is more relative, let's have fun with everyone regardless of how close we are etc.)

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    Betas have a dark sense of humor and generally are apt to talk about heavy topics. Niether are really light hearted. Alpha is light hearted though.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it’s a disease, it’s nobody’s fault. Yay empiricism.

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    He was going off of an incorrect assumption that all valuers will use the dictionary's definition of a word such as lighthearted because we 'look at things from a logical standpoint' while an Fi dom will look at things through the feelings they associate with those words. It's not about any type being lighthearted but if you want to take Merry/Serious into account, for Merry types truths are subjective, more so based on the reasons behind something rather than how Serious types see it as objective based on the efficiency of actions. I would think would be aware then, that people have different understandings and definitions of words and may, if anything, gauge your understanding of a word to see if it's in line with their own or your own's idea of the word whereas a strong user may be more likely to have or want some consensus on the definition of a word, possibly.

    I dunno but if someone says I am something, I may ask them what they mean by it to see why they think I am that (out of curiosity often) or to gauge how they understand that word. I do look up words all the time though especially when I'm going to use it, even if I think I know the definition, just to see how it's defined.

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    I actually have to credit @Azure FlameEJ since his videos are what first led me away from the dead-end of MBTI to the more fruitful pastures of socionics. However, he says a lot of things that ill-informed or mistaken in my view. In particular his SLE self-typing is clearly off base (he correctly identifies himself as a Beta extrovert however, so that's something).

    He seems to have a decent enough handle on some types but not others. Curiously he has very little understanding of his own type (EIE) or the type he identifies as (SLE).

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    Why don't you just PM him and ask him directly instead of trying to interpret what he said?
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    Ni is probably the most torn off from reality; it's irrational (perceiving situations), introverted (turned inward), and intuitive (not focused on the concrete world). Maybe that has something to do with what he meant, despite that IEIs value Fe and EIIs Fi. I dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Shadow View Post
    Why don't you just PM him and ask him directly instead of trying to interpret what he said?
    He's long gone.

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