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    Exclamation Goals of the id block

    Someone mentioned on this forum that the id block defines a persons goals, and the ego block provides the means. Taking this idea a little further:

    Goals of the body= Id block
    Conscious means = ego block
    physical clarification of the goals = super id
    Mental (conscious) clarification of the means = superego

    If you take goals to be the same as the hidden agenda goals, then for eg sli wants to be wealthy and to understand he would gain wealth by working to change the sensations of objects his goals would become clearer as he physically felt love for the potential of objects , and the means would become clearer as he thought about the situation changing over time, in relation to other people's emotions

    another eg, ile wants to believe, wants knowledge he does this by creating logical systems to ensure external harmony his goals would become clearer as he felt others emotions to his internal state and the means would become clearer as he thought his own attitude, in regards to external forms and their activity


    What do you think? Perhaps the goals of the id are more, 7th what I want, 8th, what I want for others

    so sli would want to be personally wealthy, but would want everyone else to understand
    ile would want to personally believe, but for everyone else to have knowledge
    iee would want to personally believe, but for everyone else to be loved
    ese to personally love, but for everyone else to be wealthy
    lie to personally understand, but for everyone else to be perfect
    lse to personally understand, but for everyone else to be wealthy
    Eie to personally love, but for everyone else to be perfect
    Lsi to personally know but for everyone else to be comfortable and relaxed
    sle to be personally relaxed but for everyone else to know
    eii to personally be loved but for everyone else to believe
    Sei to personally be wealthy, but for everyone else to love
    see to personally be comfortable and relaxed, but for everyone else to be loved
    ili to personally be ''perfect" but for everyone else to understand
    lii to personally know, but for everyone else to believe


    By the way what the heck is hidden agenda really? To be perfect sounds like they want it all, to be some kind of superhero. But that does not make a lot of sense.
    Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 11-03-2014 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    By the way what the heck is hidden agenda really? To be perfect sounds like they want it all, to be some kind of superhero. But that does not make a lot of sense.
    Interesting post you have here, I have not heard of this before.

    I would inquire that Hidden Agenda as a value of the xSE is the desire to always have the potential to do whatever. In its most primal state, represents a position of raw potential, an impredictable state in which potential energy can manifest into anything under the sun if it so desires (built from the Ep temperament, the idea of acting on impulse and momentary desire, being pulled a direction that leads somewhere interesting and worthwhile). As a core value to both of those types, it would theoretically suggest that they would be very sensitive to their own potential or perhaps even the potential of others (but wouldn't seek to help others realize it, as that is a job for egos).

    The "to be perfect" definition was probably derived from the idea that represents all-powerful potential. xSE would want to have the potential to succeed at anything they choose to set their minds to, to achieve their own potential to do. The idea that something can't be done even with hard-work and persistence would be a blow to their self-esteem. These types, remember, are vulnerable in , which often tends to manifest itself in inevitability, fate, circumstances beyond any sort of control, and a sense of importance; thus, they attempt to avoid the truth that some things are inevitable or that some things are just plain improbable even with the will to achieve them. These types want to see the world as a place where anyone can make their mark or do whatever they please, achieving their own potential, not a world where people are restrained by their limitations and the limitations imposed by uncontrollable circumstances (such as class, genetics, etc. [also the reason why is often associated with time and fate]). Whereas xSI seek the direction and guidance of 's inevitability, linearity, and sense of feasibility, xSE seek out potential to be able to do whatever they desire, the ability to see promise in even the smallest of things, the worldview that anything is possible.

    Just my two cents, which could easily be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Foundation View Post
    Interesting post you have here, I have not heard of this before.

    I would inquire that Hidden Agenda as a value of the xSE is the desire to always have the potential to do whatever. In its most primal state, represents a position of raw potential, an impredictable state in which potential energy can manifest into anything under the sun if it so desires (built from the Ep temperament, the idea of acting on impulse and momentary desire, being pulled a direction that leads somewhere interesting and worthwhile). As a core value to both of those types, it would theoretically suggest that they would be very sensitive to their own potential or perhaps even the potential of others (but wouldn't seek to help others realize it, as that is a job for egos).

    The "to be perfect" definition was probably derived from the idea that represents all-powerful potential. xSE would want to have the potential to succeed at anything they choose to set their minds to, to achieve their own potential to do. The idea that something can't be done even with hard-work and persistence would be a blow to their self-esteem. These types, remember, are vulnerable in , which often tends to manifest itself in inevitability, fate, circumstances beyond any sort of control, and a sense of importance; thus, they attempt to avoid the truth that some things are inevitable or that some things are just plain improbable even with the will to achieve them. These types want to see the world as a place where anyone can make their mark or do whatever they please, achieving their own potential, not a world where people are restrained by their limitations and the limitations imposed by uncontrollable circumstances (such as class, genetics, etc. [also the reason why is often associated with time and fate]). Whereas xSI seek the direction and guidance of 's inevitability, linearity, and sense of feasibility, xSE seek out potential to be able to do whatever they desire, the ability to see promise in even the smallest of things, the worldview that anything is possible.

    Just my two cents, which could easily be wrong.
    That makes a lot of sense. Especially when you tie it in with , I guess having high potential is prerequisite to manifesting any sort of long term plan. This is probably more important to producing types like ESEs than accepting since they use as a means to some other end.
    Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 11-05-2014 at 03:35 AM.

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