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    Lightbulb Enneagram and stackings for Kore

    Please please please.
    Your ideas of my trytipe/stackings?
    Any additional questions will be answered.
    Merci.

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    hot coy dreamy witch stack, type Hedge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agni View Post
    hot coy dreamy witch stack, type Hedge
    This does not bring any light on my questionings but I clearly appreciate the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    This does not bring any light on my questionings but I clearly appreciate the post.
    sp/sx Type 4w5 ...Tritype is more like a venture, I don't know you super-well -- let's say 469

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    sp/sx is good. nooooo idea on tritype.

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    Sp/sx 4w5

    Heart triad: 4
    Head triad: 6> 5>7
    Gut triad: 9 or 1 >8

    These are guesses, obviously. But the sp/sx 4w5 seems pretty clear.

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    E4.

    You've unphasable self-love... And talk about your uniqueness.
    Total 4 .

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    I think the 4w5 typings are not hard to see for me. I lean 9w1 for your gut. And head - really don't know.

    As for instincts, maybe I'm just being blind or just have convoluted how I see them enough, but I don't find the sx that obvious. sp-dominant, I can quite easily imagine.

    Perhaps it should be noted for reference that I do not follow the paradigm that your instinctual type is "two" different instincts..I see it just as a ranking, and think any two (or three) instincts can interplay meaningfully, and all the ranking does is tell you there is an imbalance in how they interplay.

    You do seem to fit what they call a "reactive" type, and it could be why you emphasize that you're mean to people on purpose (all a guess as to what's behind what you say those things). It seems awfully indirect in your case, but I think you do have that interesting combination of 4 and 9 in you.

    What people might be seeing as E6, I might be seeing as E9, and the difference being that both can have a vacillating flavor (vacillating uncontrollably is one way of seeming to move nowhere and thus be in a state of inertia where all vacillations mutually appear to cancel if sufficiently random), but one has a strangely neutral tone, and the other has a negative fear-driven tone, with the former being what I see in you more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agni View Post
    sp/sx Type 4w5 ...Tritype is more like a venture, I don't know you super-well -- let's say 469
    6 is the type I barely get. I can be doubtful but do not have trust issues. Scratches her head.

    Quote Originally Posted by epheme View Post
    Sp/sx 4w5

    Heart triad: 4
    Head triad: 6> 5>7
    Gut triad: 9 or 1 >8

    These are guesses, obviously. But the sp/sx 4w5 seems pretty clear.
    I first thought I was a 8 then 1 then 9 then 5 then 4. Maybe I am a 10. But 2 is the last one

    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    E4.

    You've unphasable self-love... And talk about your uniqueness.
    Total 4 .
    I worked a loooot on myself.
    I had also a major event in my life that made me realise that it was extremely short.
    You'd see me 10 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    I think the 4w5 typings are not hard to see for me. I lean 9w1 for your gut. And head - really don't know.

    As for instincts, maybe I'm just being blind or just have convoluted how I see them enough, but I don't find the sx that obvious. sp-dominant, I can quite easily imagine.

    Perhaps it should be noted for reference that I do not follow the paradigm that your instinctual type is "two" different instincts..I see it just as a ranking, and think any two (or three) instincts can interplay meaningfully, and all the ranking does is tell you there is an imbalance in how they interplay.

    You do seem to fit what they call a "reactive" type, and it could be why you emphasize that you're mean to people on purpose (all a guess as to what's behind what you say those things). It seems awfully indirect in your case, but I think you do have that interesting combination of 4 and 9 in you.

    What people might be seeing as E6, I might be seeing as E9, and the difference being that both can have a vacillating flavor (vacillating uncontrollably is one way of seeming to move nowhere and thus be in a state of inertia where all vacillations mutually appear to cancel if sufficiently random), but one has a strangely neutral tone, and the other has a negative fear-driven tone, with the former being what I see in you more.
    I have been waiting on your musings. As I said I do not get the nature of 6s very well.
    Maybe I should read more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore
    As I said I do not get the nature of 6s very well.
    To me, it's actually easier to get E6 somehow than E5. But here I just explain how I see the three of the 567 triad types as related.

    The rough idea of the fear/mind triad is that the more foreign a body is perceived, the more one has to deal with a sense of aversion towards it, but foreignness can only exist relative to a sense of self which is able to perceive objects as in negative relation to it. All of this triad could be said to deal with such aversion. However, how they experience it differs. I'd say E6 experiences it in the purest way: an aversion to foreignness and a need to reach inertia/harmony unconsciously felt, which they cannot attain and thus constantly struggle to undermine uncertainty/foreignness. With E5, this is a more implicit fear - it may not even manifest as a direct fear, and rather they build their lives more directly around intensifying the reality of this foreignness especially with 5w4 (much as E8 builds itself around intensifying the reality of its consumption of objects), by developing their sense of avarice, except it is not necessarily a physical avarice here but a general psychological avarice. This avarice tends to be more welcoming to the sense of foreignness it sees outside, as this only serves to mark more clearly what is perceived as of the self.
    With E7, the sense of aversion to foreignness is held lightly unconscious, so that they seem to welcome the foreign in small bites (gluttony), but maintaining a subtly known negative relation enough that the bites never seem to grow -- after all, being fear triad individuals, the aversion to foreign bodies still exists, so as long as the object is held at bay and only the feeling of foreignness stemming from the self is examined, their psychology admits this without problem. This has a bit of an 8-bias though and the more 6-like 7 types would more likely be focused on manipulating destiny and seeking gluttony in a less indulgent way and more implicit/mental fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    To me, it's actually easier to get E6 somehow than E5. But here I just explain how I see the three of the 567 triad types as related.

    The rough idea of the fear/mind triad is that the more foreign a body is perceived, the more one has to deal with a sense of aversion towards it, but foreignness can only exist relative to a sense of self which is able to perceive objects as in negative relation to it. All of this triad could be said to deal with such aversion. However, how they experience it differs. I'd say E6 experiences it in the purest way: an aversion to foreignness and a need to reach inertia/harmony unconsciously felt, which they cannot attain and thus constantly struggle to undermine uncertainty/foreignness. With E5, this is a more implicit fear - it may not even manifest as a direct fear, and rather they build their lives more directly around intensifying the reality of this foreignness especially with 5w4 (much as E8 builds itself around intensifying the reality of its consumption of objects), by developing their sense of avarice, except it is not necessarily a physical avarice here but a general psychological avarice. This avarice tends to be more welcoming to the sense of foreignness it sees outside, as this only serves to mark more clearly what is perceived as of the self.
    With E7, the sense of aversion to foreignness is held lightly unconscious, so that they seem to welcome the foreign in small bites (gluttony), but maintaining a subtly known negative relation enough that the bites never seem to grow -- after all, being fear triad individuals, the aversion to foreign bodies still exists, so as long as the object is held at bay and only the feeling of foreignness stemming from the self is examined, their psychology admits this without problem. This has a bit of an 8-bias though and the more 6-like 7 types would more likely be focused on manipulating destiny and seeking gluttony in a less indulgent way and more implicit/mental fashion.
    I still get 5 and 7 easier than 6. 6 is like a hotchpotch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I first thought I was a 8 then 1 then 9 then 5 then 4. Maybe I am a 10. But 2 is the last one
    Lol

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    What about 5w4?
    People suggest ILI and I think that 4w5 does not go well with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    What about 5w4?
    People suggest ILI and I think that 4w5 does not go well with it.
    You can still be 4w5. There is no limit to personality and there are surely more combinations than are dreamt of in our philosophies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    You can still be 4w5. There is no limit to personality and there are surely more combinations than are dreamt of in our philosophies.

    That's not what the theory says

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    That's not what the theory says
    Fuck theory and I still think feel you are IEI.

    *fixed*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Fuck theory and I still think feel you are IEI.

    *fixed*
    Meh

    It's surely good to be above conventions and rules.

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    479 Sp/Sx.

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    I pick 1w2 sp/sx

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    I can't settle even on your E type, let alone on your sociotype . It's easy to write you off as E4, but I'm less and less sure that's your actual type.

    I know this is an E thread, but considering that's quite connected to sociotype, nor IEI nor ILI make sense to me the way they should (except people saying you are Ni). I might be the only one but I think you are IJ.

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    I don't think either 4w5 or 5w4 is an unimaginable type to me for either IEI or ILI if they're Ni subtypers (based on how I see all these types..which I admit has my bias).

    Darya's comment strikes me as true for what it's worth, although for me what's missing to say something definite is additional feedback from you on how you see these typings, what they mean to you in context of your life, and so forth (so that one can establish there to be some footing). This is of course something I can only suggest, and it depends what you're comfortable sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    I can't settle even on your E type, let alone on your sociotype . It's easy to write you off as E4, but I'm less and less sure that's your actual type.

    I know this is an E thread, but considering that's quite connected to sociotype, nor IEI nor ILI make sense to me the way they should (except people saying you are Ni). I might be the only one but I think you are IJ.

    I know for sure I am a dynamic type.
    In addition, all my socionics typings have always been around Ni ego.
    I base it also upon my own knowledge of my personality and I know myself better than anybody else here.
    Of course you can have your personal opinion.Though I won't bang my head against the wall absessing over it.
    One person between 100 not approving it, it's just a random opinion that I won't fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    I don't think either 4w5 or 5w4 is an unimaginable type to me for either IEI or ILI if they're Ni subtypers (based on how I see all these types..which I admit has my bias).

    Darya's comment strikes me as true for what it's worth, although for me what's missing to say something definite is additional feedback from you on how you see these typings, what they mean to you in context of your life, and so forth (so that one can establish there to be some footing). This is of course something I can only suggest, and it depends what you're comfortable sharing.
    Sure I'd like to understand it all. Knowledge is power, understanding is peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    I don't think either 4w5 or 5w4 is an unimaginable type to me for either IEI or ILI if they're Ni subtypers (based on how I see all these types..which I admit has my bias).
    No, they're the most common actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I know for sure I am a dynamic type. [/SIZE]In addition, all my socionics typings have always been around Ni ego.
    I base it also upon my own knowledge of my personality and I know myself better than anybody else here.
    Of course you can have your personal opinion.Though I won't bang my head against the wall absessing over it.
    One person between 100 not approving it, it's just a random opinion that I won't fight.

    .
    Sure, I was just giving my opinion in a typing thread. I was under impression that you don't particularly care about being one type or the other, otherwise I wouldn't say anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    I pick 1w2 sp/sx
    Okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    I think you're ILI still, my 2cents. I don't know about enneagram for you.
    Thanks anyway.

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    The only IEI I know on the forum who could pass for E 5w4 (from a distance at least) is strnnng.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post

    Sure, I was just giving my opinion in a typing thread. I was under impression that you don't particularly care about being one type or the other, otherwise I wouldn't say anything.
    I actually care more than I show it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I actually care more than I show it
    I'm sorry then It's really not a thought-trough opinion at all, just a passing impression as I can't figure you out. Take the latter as a compliment

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    @darya - 4w5 and 5w4 being common Ni base types doesn't surprise me but depending on how far one goes back to enneagram roots (which is why sometimes things I say may seem just a little strange to people?), I think if we do purport to place 4 under feeling triad, it might raise a bit of a question about a Fe-polr type. I usually don't do the whole *pull up encyclopedia and quote* because I prefer my own thoughts (heh) and they don't necessarily align with one source, but for sources' sake, Naranjo calls the contrast between E3 and E4 as being between "over-control and emotional expressiveness." Contrasting 6 and 4, he says "Perhaps the most striking difference between these types is the emotionality and expressiveness of EIV, in contrast to the intellectual centeredness and inhibition of EVI. They are not easy to confuse." (side-note - this is why I think I can be a EVI not just EV..doesn't sound too unlike me does it)
    In other words, while anything can be anything, at least these descriptions don't sound typical of EIV being a Fe-polr type.

    Personally I think those descriptions of E4 apply better to someone who is pretty purely in the feeling triad, not so much having a 5 wing, which would increase that "inhibition" and so forth.

    And I also think that it's quite likely some people are better described as "IXI" than IEI or ILI at the end of the day, and this principally applies to the Ni-subs basically..in those cases, you can see a certain vague hazy balance where someone doesn't strike as clearly ethically or logically focused, and it's very clear they're just intuitives.

    (Contrast with some intuitive leads who seem like they could closer pass for logic types)

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    Sure I'd like to understand it all. Knowledge is power, understanding is peace.
    Alright @Kore, let me know what do you think are the most salient points that are E4 about you, E5 about you, and what makes you think certain things about one fit more than the other? Perhaps the other types you're considering. Basically include writing about you that you're comfortable sharing.

    Personally I just get an intuitive undercurrent of image triad from you but am not attached to it being right or anything; I'm more interested in just exploring for the sake of it. And for what it's worth I'm familiar with many, many ideas of what E4 is like, not just that Naranjo quote, and I can perfectly imagine E4 (and E3) turning out to be quite intellectual - their drive with respect to such matters strikes as different from E567's psychology though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    @darya - 4w5 and 5w4 being common Ni base types doesn't surprise me but depending on how far one goes back to enneagram roots (which is why sometimes things I say may seem just a little strange to people?), I think if we do purport to place 4 under feeling triad, it might raise a bit of a question about a Fe-polr type. I usually don't do the whole *pull up encyclopedia and quote* because I prefer my own thoughts (heh) and they don't necessarily align with one source, but for sources' sake, Naranjo calls the contrast between E3 and E4 as being between "over-control and emotional expressiveness." Contrasting 6 and 4, he says "Perhaps the most striking difference between these types is the emotionality and expressiveness of EIV, in contrast to the intellectual centeredness and inhibition of EVI. They are not easy to confuse." (side-note - this is why I think I can be a EVI not just EV..doesn't sound too unlike me does it)
    In other words, while anything can be anything, at least these descriptions don't sound typical of EIV being a Fe-polr type.

    Personally I think those descriptions of E4 apply better to someone who is pretty purely in the feeling triad, not so much having a 5 wing, which would increase that "inhibition" and so forth.

    And I also think that it's quite likely some people are better described as "IXI" than IEI or ILI at the end of the day, and this principally applies to the Ni-subs basically..in those cases, you can see a certain vague hazy balance where someone doesn't strike as clearly ethically or logically focused, and it's very clear they're just intuitives.

    (Contrast with some intuitive leads who seem like they could closer pass for logic types)
    Believe me, I know all about these distinctions I meant as in IEI-Ni would typically go under 4w5 and ILI-Ni under 5w4, not the other way around. I don't believe in ILI's 4w5 either.

    In theory these two E types are not easy to confuse, but in practice and with an added bonus of confusing stackings the story is different.

    An 5w4 sx will come off a whole lot like a 4 (4 wing plus sx, which gives off an appearance of 4-ness). I've known these types of people and they are very volatile and sensitive and emotional in their own way. So it's really not always that clear cut as the theory makes it out to be. You have to take a bunch of other factors into account, as are stackings, health level and sociotype (an ESE 3w2 will appear very emotionally expressive despite being E3, I can assure you that. But they will over-control that emotional expressiveness in a way that it will throw a certain image that they want- they won't care about being authentic, but impressive and perfect (being ESE's). LIE E3's, on the other hand will probably appear cold.

    E6 can be also extremely emotional and throw tantrums and not intellectually centered at all. It really depends on an individual case. Some 6w7's and 4w3's can be actually quickly confused on a surface level (if you just look at how someone behaves).

    But yeah, I'm with you that many people don't fit the box neatly, which can be infuriating

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    I'm sorry then It's really not a thought-trough opinion at all, just a passing impression as I can't figure you out. Take the latter as a compliment
    It's alright And thank you.
    I know I am not much of a revealer, secretiveness is something people have to deal with. This makes me hard to know.

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    From what little I'd know I would say e4 mainly because how you present yourself and work situations. You seem to play on others envy which is a feeling e4 are occupied with. You also seem a little cold like you want the differential respect that is typical of e4's (especially from worthy sources), but it feels a bit like a game that is taken lightheartedly-- stuff you say doesn't seem real but like it has an agenda to it but it could be real. I think this is typical of the hopeless cynicism of e4s. Gut triad you seem pretty aggressive and touchy, sharp, but not rude-- so it gives me these e8 vibes in a feminine way. It's hard to say though.

    Some things you say resonate with me so I kind of think you are some similar type which I'm probably e5w4 with 8 in gut triad. The 4/5/8 dynamic Is apparent to me in you but we are different in terms of gender, age, and everyday experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker View Post
    From what little I'd know I would say e4 mainly because how you present yourself and work situations. You seem to play on others envy which is a feeling e4 are occupied with. You also seem a little cold like you want the differential respect that is typical of e4's (especially from worthy sources), but it feels a bit like a game that is taken lightheartedly-- stuff you say doesn't seem real but like it has an agenda to it but it could be real. I think this is typical of the hopeless cynicism of e4s. Gut triad you seem pretty aggressive and touchy, sharp, but not rude-- so it gives me these e8 vibes in a feminine way. It's hard to say though.

    Some things you say resonate with me so I kind of think you are some similar type which I'm probably e5w4 with 8 in gut triad. The 4/5/8 dynamic Is apparent to me in you but we are different in terms of gender, age, and everyday experience.
    Interesting point, thanks for your output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    Alright @Kore, let me know what do you think are the most salient points that are E4 about you, E5 about you, and what makes you think certain things about one fit more than the other? Perhaps the other types you're considering. Basically include writing about you that you're comfortable sharing.

    Personally I just get an intuitive undercurrent of image triad from you but am not attached to it being right or anything; I'm more interested in just exploring for the sake of it. And for what it's worth I'm familiar with many, many ideas of what E4 is like, not just that Naranjo quote, and I can perfectly imagine E4 (and E3) turning out to be quite intellectual - their drive with respect to such matters strikes as different from E567's psychology though.
    I realise that I am not comfortable with sharing. I actually reveal without revealing..

    I am an extremely private person. Pulling back is something people have to deal with. Blame the natural secretiveness.
    I am not sticky at all and do not open up for granted, and sometimes just never.
    I am extremely respectful of people’s privacy and am always rather tiptoeing than breaking in.
    I observe more than I act as much as I don’t compare myself to anybody else, be it women or men.

    I measure myself with and to nobody. I just mostly listen to my heart and sometimes analyse the external feedback I get.
    If it's a 4 thing to be unique, then yes, I am one. I consider myself a free spirit, being somebody above conventions and rules.
    It’s merely having an independent set of mind. And no need to be a feminazi which I am absolutely not.
    It’s being an independent thinker at all times, and skip anyone who attempts to define myself in a limiting way.
    So as I said before, I won't bang my head against the wall obsessing over someone else's opinion - be it a man or anyone else in my life.
    I won't drop everything to fit the expectations. I won't stand imposing what and how I should do.
    I do not bother anybody with my beliefs or with my life style.
    Live and let live. If do not like, go throw yourself into a lake.

    I am the most logical feeling person or the most feeling logical one.
    I do not know whether it has to do with 4 or 5.

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    I can't say anything about enneagram type, but I think IEI over ILI. You come off as very charming and charismatic, unlike ILI's with their Fe difficulties. You've also stated several times that you're horrible with your finances and tend to buy whatever you want, which is a very IEI Te PoLR characteristic. IEI's are whimsical, live in fantasy and tend to buy things on a whim. ILI's on the other hand with their strong Te paired with Ni tend to be quite frugal, and good with their finances (I'm sure @Scapegrace can vouch for this if she still identifies as ILI).

    Also, I think you VI IEI > ILI. That whole mystical quality you possess is more than , imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I realise that I am not comfortable with sharing. I actually reveal without revealing..

    I am an extremely private person. Pulling back is something people have to deal with. Blame the natural secretiveness.
    I am not sticky at all and do not open up for granted, and sometimes just never.
    I am extremely respectful of people’s privacy and am always rather tiptoeing than breaking in.
    I observe more than I act as much as I don’t compare myself to anybody else, be it women or men.

    I measure myself with and to nobody. I just mostly listen to my heart and sometimes analyse the external feedback I get.
    If it's a 4 thing to be unique, then yes, I am one. I consider myself a free spirit, being somebody above conventions and rules.
    It’s merely having an independent set of mind. And no need to be a feminazi which I am absolutely not.
    It’s being an independent thinker at all times, and skip anyone who attempts to define myself in a limiting way.
    So as I said before, I won't bang my head against the wall obsessing over someone else's opinion - be it a man or anyone else in my life.
    I won't drop everything to fit the expectations. I won't stand imposing what and how I should do.
    I do not bother anybody with my beliefs or with my life style.
    Live and let live. If do not like, go throw yourself into a lake.

    I am the most logical feeling person or the most feeling logical one.
    I do not know whether it has to do with 4 or 5.
    my sense is that, if you don't compare yourself to others, you might not be a four. even if sp-first (although I can't confirm this.)

    the envy is immense, painful, sometimes energizing, and almost always present
    There was no place that destruction did not touch...At best it made everything feel flooded, urgent, while pushing towards decay and exposing the imminent failure of managing to maintain a form at all. Inside this was the kernel of wholeness. She could be broken down into a small, granular piece, a bit of debris jostling against other bits of debris, and in that friction there was some sense of having a boundary or a presence, and that thing-ness of the self, reduced to a basic instinctive sensation, was an almost-nothing feeling that, in its small hard knot of a numb halo, made it clear to her that you were here, you were now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontrees View Post
    my sense is that, if you don't compare yourself to others, you might not be a four. even if sp-first (although I can't confirm this.)

    the envy is immense, painful, sometimes energizing, and almost always present
    I learnt to go over envy and shame, cutting it out with a sharp knife till I grew insensitive to a lot of things.
    My soul was bleeding over and over, and now am nothing as I was younger, I drink souls myself.
    For the rest, it's too private to explain here, I would feel as if I was naked in the middle of a crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I learnt to go over envy and shame, cutting it out with a sharp knife till I grew insensitive to a lot of things.
    My soul was bleeding over and over, and now am nothing as I was younger, I drink souls myself.
    For the rest, it's too private to explain here, I would feel as if I was naked in the middle of a crowd.
    that sounds nice. i wanna learn how to drink souls myself as well

    fwiw i never let go of E1 for you. b/c you seem fourish but not self-conscious enough, in a way that i can't just attribute to stackings. you own you in a way that fours often don't completely although they would like to. you're more vocal. you don't image-bend. but who knows.

    edit: but now i am thinking 5/8....

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    There was no place that destruction did not touch...At best it made everything feel flooded, urgent, while pushing towards decay and exposing the imminent failure of managing to maintain a form at all. Inside this was the kernel of wholeness. She could be broken down into a small, granular piece, a bit of debris jostling against other bits of debris, and in that friction there was some sense of having a boundary or a presence, and that thing-ness of the self, reduced to a basic instinctive sensation, was an almost-nothing feeling that, in its small hard knot of a numb halo, made it clear to her that you were here, you were now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontrees View Post
    that sounds nice. i wanna learn how to drink souls myself as well

    fwiw i never let go of E1 for you.
    I would rather say that it sounds sinister

    I thought I was 1 to some point.. As much as a lot of other options

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