Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 72

Thread: New test - Does it work for you?

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default New test - Does it work for you?

    PART A - Which one describes you the best?
    A
    I have the ability to create a system of ranking and organising things – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that can raise my mood. I try to keep in a good mood, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited. (If you choose this option, go to PART B)

    B
    I have the ability to make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that manage resources efficiently and rationally. I try to manage resources efficiently and rationally, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited. (If you choose this option, go to PART B)

    C
    I have the ability to manage resources efficiently and rationally – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others. I try to make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited. (If you choose this option, go to PART C)

    D
    I have the ability to raise the mood of others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that can create a system of ranking and organising things. I try to create a system of ranking and organising things, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited. (If you choose this option, go to PART C)

    PART B - Which one describes you the best?
    E
    I am creative and inventive and have the ability to identify the “hidden” abilities of people – I enjoy helping people with these. I am attracted to people that look after my health. I try to keep in good health, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.

    F
    I am a bold person – I enjoy using my boldness to help people. I am attracted to people with a strong imagination and the ability to predict the future. I try to use my imagination and to forecast/predict the future, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.

    PART C - Which one describes you the best?
    G
    I have a strong imagination and the ability to predict the future – I enjoy helping people with these. I am attracted to bold people. I try to show boldness, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.

    H
    I have the ability to look after the health of others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that are creative and inventive and that can identify my “hidden” abilities. I try to be creative and inventive and try to identify my “hidden” abilities, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ANSWERS
    AE = Alpha NT
    DH = Alpha SF
    DG = Beta NF
    AF = Beta ST
    CG = Gamma NT
    BF = Gamma SF
    BE = Delta NF
    CH = Delta ST

  2. #2
    aka Slacker Slacker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    North Korea
    TIM
    IEE
    Posts
    8,819
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I didn't like any of the first set of choices particularly, but neither B or D were too bad. I liked E but didn't like either of the Part C choices.
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
    -Mark Twain


    You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    i hate option A.

    thus, this test gives me gamma NT.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    I didn't like any of the first set of choices particularly, but neither B or D were too bad. I liked E but didn't like either of the Part C choices.
    So it seems that overall you would choose B+E, which would give you Delta NF.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    i hate option A.

    thus, this test gives me gamma NT.
    This is a good indication that you are not Alpha NT.

  6. #6
    XoX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    4,407
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Gamma NT, Alpha NT or Beta ST. I guess it works if I'm one of those

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    i hate option A.

    thus, this test gives me gamma NT.
    This is a good indication that you are not Alpha NT.
    not at all. i don't think this test is quite as bad as some of the previous tests you've made, but i wouldn't trust it.

    i also think option C could apply well to any logical type.

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    i also think option C could apply well to any logical type.
    If you hate A then you are not Alpha NT, so it did work for you. In additon an Alpha NT would choose A over C.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by XoX
    Gamma NT, Alpha NT or Beta ST. I guess it works if I'm one of those

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    simply not true. tests are not infallible.

  11. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    tests are not infallible.
    Socionics is not infallible either - people tend to forget this. Socionics is a theory, not fact.

  12. #12

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    true, but i fail to see how that is relevant.

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    true, but i fail to see how that is relevant.
    It's relevant because, just as a person can say socionics is falliable, the same thing can be said about tests. They are both theoretical.

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    no, it is a completely irrelevant comparison. whether or not socionics is correct or consistent is an entirely different debate.

    there are two possibilities: either socionics is consistent or inconsistent. if it is inconsistent then typing is pointless because the theory means nothing. therefore, in order for types to have any meaning, (or, more specifically, for this test to mean something), socionics must be correct, or at least partially correct. that assumption must be made for this test to have meaning.

    if socionics is correct, than this test can either be accurate or inaccurate. however, it is impossible that this test have meaning if socionics is inaccurate, which is what you seem to be trying to suggest.

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,833
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Why do you hate option A, niffweed17?

    I chose AE, which means that it is probably something wrong with the test. The first part of option A should be Gamma NT.

    Read Stratiyevskaya's INTp description. Maybe you have the wrong picture of INTps, Hugo.

  16. #16

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    the first part of A is fine. i hate the second part about being attracted to people raising my mood.

  17. #17
    snegledmaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,900
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    DG beta NF

  18. #18
    In Transition Raver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    TIM
    Ne-IEE 6w7 sp/sx
    Posts
    3,704
    Mentioned
    92 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    I just accepted whatever sounded like Ne, Fi, Te and Si and I got Delta NF. I wanted Delta NF and my wish was granted. :wink:
    "Nothing happens until the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change."

    Ne-IEE
    6w7 sp/sx
    6w7-4w5-9w1

  19. #19

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,833
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    the first part of A is fine. i hate the second part about being attracted to people raising my mood.
    Ok. I'm not sure I particularly like that either, but the other alternatives were worse.

    Have you read Stratiyevskaya's INTp and INTj descriptions? If we ever are going to solve this problem with the different views on those two types, I believe it is necessary to read them. Everyone who has an opinion on this should do it, hopefully without prejudices. Only after that we could try to reach some kind of consensus.

  20. #20
    aka Slacker Slacker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    North Korea
    TIM
    IEE
    Posts
    8,819
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    OK so here's what I don't like about option B

    B
    I have the ability to maintain stable relationships with others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people can use financial resources rationally and economically. I try to use financial resources rationally and economically, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited. (If you choose this option, go to PART B)
    I'd rather it said that I have the ability to make and maintain relationships or something. Or strengthen relationships. I don't know but "maintain stable relationships" sounds flatter than the reality of it feels to me.

    And the second part is the part I really don't like. It isn't about financial resources, it's about stability and sensibility. The financial thing is a part of that, but overall sensibility is bigger than $$$. This makes us sound shallow and like gold-diggers and it rubs me the wrong way and makes me want to pick something else just because of that.
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
    -Mark Twain


    You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

  21. #21

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    192
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Yup, it worked, but I agree with Slacker Mom on the objections to B.
    INFj

  22. #22
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    OK so here's what I don't like about option B

    B
    I have the ability to maintain stable relationships with others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people can use financial resources rationally and economically. I try to use financial resources rationally and economically, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited. (If you choose this option, go to PART B)
    I'd rather it said that I have the ability to make and maintain relationships or something. Or strengthen relationships. I don't know but "maintain stable relationships" sounds flatter than the reality of it feels to me.

    And the second part is the part I really don't like. It isn't about financial resources, it's about stability and sensibility. The financial thing is a part of that, but overall sensibility is bigger than $$$. This makes us sound shallow and like gold-diggers and it rubs me the wrong way and makes me want to pick something else just because of that.
    I agree with the stuff you said about relationships (and I will edit that part), but the stuff about sensibility is not specifically Te related. the Te aspect of the description basically says you try to spend your money wisely - nothing to do with "gold digging".

  23. #23
    snegledmaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,900
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom

    I'd rather it said that I have the ability to make and maintain relationships or something. Or strengthen relationships. I don't know but "maintain stable relationships" sounds flatter than the reality of it feels to me.
    Maintaining "stable" relationships sound like something I would never, ever want to do or help others with.
    Perhaps he was thinking more on the lines of differences between categories and not emphasizing individuals.

  24. #24
    In Transition Raver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    TIM
    Ne-IEE 6w7 sp/sx
    Posts
    3,704
    Mentioned
    92 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Hugo, I think you should be more creative with the test writing and think of a new way to type people that doesn't get interfered by their knowledge of socionics. Mcnew attempted to do this and it is a difficult process, but worth it in my opinion.
    "Nothing happens until the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change."

    Ne-IEE
    6w7 sp/sx
    6w7-4w5-9w1

  25. #25
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    To Slacker Mom,

    I edited the description:
    B
    I have the ability to make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that rationally use resources. I try to rationally use my resources, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.

  26. #26

    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    136
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    CG - gamma NT.

    I agree that the wording is not ideal in these descriptions. Especially the financial distinction made for Te. In (C) for instance, I think it would already be better if you took out the word financial and changed it to "managing resources efficiently and rationally," or something similar.
    NiTe | Socionix

  27. #27
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Thanks Sarah,

    I made the following changes:
    C
    I have the ability to manage resources efficiently and rationally – I enjoy helping people with doing this. I am attracted to people that make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others. I try to make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.

  28. #28

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus

    Have you read Stratiyevskaya's INTp and INTj descriptions? If we ever are going to solve this problem with the different views on those two types, I believe it is necessary to read them. Everyone who has an opinion on this should do it, hopefully without prejudices. Only after that we could try to reach some kind of consensus.
    i would love to read those descriptions, but, as with many russian materials, no translation i have found has been sufficiently coherent to adequately decipher it.

  29. #29

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,833
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    i would love to read those descriptions, but, as with many russian materials, no translation i have found has been sufficiently coherent to adequately decipher it.
    With some slight effort these should be possible to understand:
    http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...pic.php?t=2871
    http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...pic.php?t=3742

    Have you relate to my comparison between some parts of those descriptions in the "Balance between subtype" thread?

  30. #30
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    no, it is a completely irrelevant comparison. whether or not socionics is correct or consistent is an entirely different debate.

    there are two possibilities: either socionics is consistent or inconsistent. if it is inconsistent then typing is pointless because the theory means nothing. therefore, in order for types to have any meaning, (or, more specifically, for this test to mean something), socionics must be correct, or at least partially correct. that assumption must be made for this test to have meaning.

    if socionics is correct, than this test can either be accurate or inaccurate. however, it is impossible that this test have meaning if socionics is inaccurate, which is what you seem to be trying to suggest.
    People here only assume that socionics is infallible, even though it is not. If we wish, we could assume the same about the tests.

  31. #31
    aka Slacker Slacker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    North Korea
    TIM
    IEE
    Posts
    8,819
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Hugo - I definitely appreciate the changes, but are you saying Te is just about money?
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
    -Mark Twain


    You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

  32. #32
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    2,763
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Slacker Mom,

    I changed the decription again:
    B
    I have the ability to make, maintain and strengthen relationships with others – I enjoy helping people with this. I am attracted to people that manage resources efficiently and rationally. I try to manage resources efficiently and rationally, but my ability to do this (on my own) is limited.
    Tell me what you think?

  33. #33
    aka Slacker Slacker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    North Korea
    TIM
    IEE
    Posts
    8,819
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    OK here's what I'm going for: I don't care how much money a guy has. I just want stability. And not just in regard to money. I want him to behave sensibly in all his life decisions. I wouldn't be happy if I had to worry about get-rich schemes (which is money) or that he'd decide all of a sudden to sell the house and move out into the country. Nothing unexpected and non-sensible. So it is to some extent money.

    But I'd rather have only a modest amount of money and be able to count on it then to be rich but have even occasional worries about losing it.

    btw I wrote this before I saw your last post.
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
    -Mark Twain


    You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

  34. #34
    aka Slacker Slacker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    North Korea
    TIM
    IEE
    Posts
    8,819
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Yes I like that better
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
    -Mark Twain


    You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

  35. #35
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I will invariably test ENTp on these.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  36. #36
    snegledmaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,900
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    I will invariably test ENTp on these.
    But you don't have to

    be wild
    go for it
    you only live once

    DO NOT TEST ENTP!!!

  37. #37
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca
    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    I will invariably test ENTp on these.
    But you don't have to

    be wild
    go for it
    you only live once

    DO NOT TEST ENTP!!!
    OH YEAH

    DG

    OWNED

    WHAT NOW BITCHES, I BE INFP

    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  38. #38
    snegledmaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,900
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca
    be wild
    go for it
    you only live once

    DO NOT TEST ENTP!!!
    OH YEAH

    DG

    OWNED

    WHAT NOW BITCHES, I BE INFP

    Dude... like TOTALLY

  39. #39
    implied's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    7,750
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    CG = Gamma NT
    6w5 sx
    model Φ: -+0
    sloan - rcuei

  40. #40

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    8,578
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo

    People here only assume that socionics is infallible, even though it is not. If we wish, we could assume the same about the tests.

    no, wrong. you just don't get it. if socionics is fallible, the tests mean nothing. saying that the tests are reasonable while questioning the validity of socionics is simply wrong.


    the very existence of the test assumes that socionics is consistent, or at least mostly correct.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •