People have been making random picture threads for functional stackings so I'm going to make one for the Enneagram Six.
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All things Six
People have been making random picture threads for functional stackings so I'm going to make one for the Enneagram Six.
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head triad problems
(this one feels more like 6 with a social instinct in stacking)
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"We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us."
"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."
"There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance next time."
"Concerning nonviolence, it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks."
"If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary."
"A race of people is like an individual man; until it uses its own talent, takes pride in its own history, expresses its own culture, affirms its own selfhood, it can never fulfill itself."
"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment."
Malcolm X (cp 6)
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IEE 649 sx/sp cp
“Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one.”
“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.”
“Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element of faith.”
“You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.”
Found this video a while ago on EIDB, seems to encapsulate an extreme cp 6 fixation rather well
A sx/so 6 with a strong 4 fix
possibly limited to Sexual 6
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“Everything you’ve ever wanted is on the other side of fear.”
– George Addair
One of my favorite Elvis songs. Definitely 6-ish lyrically.Originally Posted by SisOfNight
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“Panic is the sudden realization that everything around you is alive.”
“Paranoia is just having the right information.”
(William S. Burroughs)
“Fear of vikings built castles.” (Charles Manson)
Last edited by Amber; 04-08-2015 at 12:20 AM.
I think it covers quite a lot of borderline traits, but seeing the e6ness in it also helps me feel like I'm not so disordered. But some borderline traits fit other enneagram types as well.
At the core of borderline personality disorder is, to put it simplified, an amygdala (controls emotional reactions) that is set too sensitively. This leads to
* increased sensitivity to signals of possible threat (distress and/or conflict),
* increased intensity (excessively high levels of emotional arousal...think of going from 0 to 60 before a pin drops)
* lowered resilience (the ability to bounce back from negative affect...think of how long it would take to burn off the hormones the body had been flooded with, while the mind/body is still highly sensitive to threat signals and high levels of emotional arousal.)
A kid growing up with such a system would constantly be invalidated as people tell them they aren't noticing the signals they are noticing, or noone else is feeling like that so therefore neither should they, etc. Invalidating this high sensitivity and high intensity system doesn't teach the child how to cope with it all, and in fact models to the child to deny, question, doubt what they are feeling, even as they are feeling it. This leads to a distorted and unstable sense of self.
Jaak Panksepp has mapped out 7 emotional systems that most mammals share. The three aversive emotions are
* anger/frustration, RAGE system
* separation panic/distress, DISTRESS/PANIC system
* uncertainty/doubt, FEAR system.
These map pretty nicely to the enneagram core fixations.
BPD's impulsivities can be motivated by any of the 7 emotional systems.
The BPD symptom of "inappropriate, intense anger, or problems controlling anger" fits when the RAGE system (anger/frustration) is activated. Leading to enneagram's anger/frustration related fixations.
The BPD symptom of "extreme reactions to real/perceived abandonment" fits when the DISTRESS system is activated. Leading to enneagram's image/acceptance related fixations.
The BPD symptom of "stress related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms fits when the FEAR system is activated. Leading to enneagram's anxiety related fixations.
There are a total of 9 possible symptoms of BPD, of which a person only need 5 to qualify for diagnosis. Of those symtpoms, 4 are natural byproducts of the high emotional sensitivity (HES), high emotional intensity (HEI), and low resiliency that stem from the basic core problem. A 5th symptom (distorted and unstable sense of self) comes from the sudden changes in feelings, opinions, values, plans, goals that happen when one has HES and HEI. However, a person can learn to overcome this part through self observation, analysis, diaries, list making, etc. A 6th symptom (pattern of stormy relationships and intense feelings of closeness and intense feelings of dislike (not necessarily the same person)), occurs when around people who trigger HES. And the final three possible symptoms produce 'flavors' of BPD, these would fit the enneagram fixation types/wings/tritypes.
One of the biggest reasons, I believe, that BPD and e6 seem to fit so well together comes from how BPD is commonly 'treated', whether by laymen (invalidation of the bpd person's HES/HEI), or by therapists (see my post above in this thread) wherein the therapy actively, purposefully, encourages self-doubt...leading to e6 anxiety fixations.
Edited to add: for myself, the HES/HEI runs in my father's genes. He had it, I have it, my daughter has it. His symptoms include the anger, controlling, and image fixations (e8/e3), but not the anxiety/doubts. My daughter's includes controlling and separation distress (e2/e1). Mine are overwhelmingly anxiety and doubt (e6).
However, when I am healthy, I fit e7 more than e6, and when I am feeling pressured and stressed out I fit e6 more. (Also being manic-depressive doesn't help either, lol.)
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Average Levels
- Start investing their time and energy into whatever they believe will be safe and stable. Organizing and structuring, they look to alliances and authorities for security and continuity. Constantly vigilant, anticipating problems.
- To resist having more demands made on them, they react against others passive-aggressively. Become evasive, indecisive, cautious, procrastinating, and ambivalent. Are highly reactive, anxious, and negative, giving contradictory, “mixed signals.” Internal confusion makes them react unpredictably.
- To compensate for insecurities, they become sarcastic and belligerent, blaming others for their problems, taking a tough stance toward “outsiders.” Highly reactive and defensive, dividing people into friends and enemies, while looking for threats to their own security. Authoritarian while fearful of authority, highly suspicious, yet, conspiratorial, and fear-instilling to silence their own fears.
Unhealthy Levels
- Fearing that they have ruined their security, they become panicky, volatile, and self-disparaging with acute inferiority feelings. Seeing themselves as defenseless, they seek out a stronger authority or belief to resolve all problems. Highly divisive, disparaging and berating others.
- Feeling persecuted, that others are “out to get them,” they lash-out and act irrationally, bringing about what they fear. Fanaticism, violence.
- Hysterical, and seeking to escape punishment, they become self-destructive and suicidal. Alcoholism, drug overdoses, “skid row,” self-abasing behavior. Generally corresponds to the Passive-Aggressive and Paranoid personality disorders.
- See more at: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t....6V0febmB.dpuf
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Very enlightening and true..thanks for that
Melvin Purvis E6
Purvis added, “A sense of responsibility is often an effective substitute for courage” [...]Melvin Purvis was a courageous man. His epitaph is carved in stone: “Saepe Timui Sed Numquam Cucurri” (“Always Afraid, Never Run”).So, as he and other agents moved in on Dillinger on the sidewalk outside the theater, Purvis would later admit, “I was very nervous; it must have been a squeaky voice that called out, ‘Stick ’em up Johnny, we have you surrounded.’” Dillinger drew his automatic pistol, but it never fired. Public Enemy Number One was shot by Purvis’s men and lay dying. “Later after leaving this scene,” Purvis wrote, “I tried to button up my coat and found both buttons gone. Apparently I had grabbed for my gun without thinking, and I am frank to say that I do not know how it came into my hand” [...]The romantic newspaper writers have, on occasion, pictured me in their deathless prose as a combination of Wild Bill Hickok, Nick Carter and Frank Merriwell. Nothing could be farther from the truth; I am not a gun fighter; I am not a wily sleuth; and I am not a Fearless Frank. To tell the truth, I was thoroughly frightened every time it fell to my lot to carry a gun on a foray of any kind.Purvis (NP) vs. Hoover (PA) [x]There were men who served with me who never knew the emotion of fear. They belonged to the glory company of history, those joyous daredevils who, from time immemorial, have been vainly waiting for a commander to order a charge on the gateways of hell. I admire them, but my nervous system is not built that way. I never led a raid without apprehension, and only the knowledge that there was a job there to do kept me functioning in the death-haunted sectors where bullets were flying.
[Source] [Source]Regardless of this controversy, none of Purvis's celebrity status for capturing gangsters sat too well with Hoover. He had an unspoken policy that "no one employee of this Division can be responsible for the successful termination of any one case..." Though Hoover had stood behind his favored agent after the Little Bohemia debacle, once the press tried to idolize Purvis, Hoover turned on his protégé. Hoover attacked Purvis with petty criticisms on the neatness of his office, chastised his administrative job performance, and disparaged the way he managed his agents. It was reported that Hoover even went so far as to assign Purvis "bad cases" to help ensure his failure.
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LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
I see most 6s at least the Sx leading ones, but perhaps all of them, live in between the two extremes of either feeling themselves very strong and able to face anything or totally weak and unable to face anything at all, and this often changes within the same day, so a 6 is kind of ambiguous in that sense. In one hour he's hopeless and totally ruined in life, some hour later he may feel like he can face anything. The lesson for me has been trying to balance these poles into one constant feeling of not being either 'I'm so strong and can do anything' and 'I'm totally hopeless', to a more realistic and wiser view that everyone is just in the middle, nobody's 'superman' but nobody's also totally a loser. This dichotomy is a big issue for Sixes in general ime.
For one good thing, Sixes have a very precise radar for spotting mental, emotional and physical weakness/strength in others when they're balanced. Much moreso than 8s, who often presume others are weaker than they actually are at any given moment and overestimate their own strength, whilst the 6 has a unique ability to realistically assess a person's weakness/strength at any given moment. I have seen this happens unconsciously in NF 6s while it's more conscious in ST 6s, though I'm not sure this could be held as a general pattern.
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Anatomy of a Six:
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LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
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