There's a better song of his for Sx last.
What power art thou?
Who from below
Hast made me rise?
Unwillingly and slow
From beds of everlasting snow!
See'st thou not how stiff
And wondrous old?
Far unfit to bear the bitter cold...
I can scarcely move
Or draw my breath
I can scarcely move
Or draw my breath
Let me, let me
Let me, let me
Freeze again...
Let me, let me
Freeze again to death!
Eek. I want to appreciate it, but by design it produces discomfort. Do you think it'd be fair to say that the German Grotesque aesthetic in general would be contra-flow? I went to see the show quoted below recently and could barely tolerate it . . . the negative reaction was visceral rather than intellectual. Weeks later, I'm still shaking it off a bit.Originally Posted by Galen
As an aside, this is the director, Robert Wilson:
He really rubs me the wrong way, too, again, for no logical reason.
Yes. Mostly So/sp, but there are also some Sx/so famous directors.
Ostermeier, for instance, is a great name in contemporary theater. And I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person about German aesthetic.
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2...espeare-review
Last edited by Amber; 11-20-2014 at 03:03 AM.
Those look more watchable. At least I see things in the content that might be stirring. The Robert Wilson piece was a stylized void.
The best Shakespeare I've seen maybe ever was this:
http://www.publictheater.org/Tickets...Unit-Pericles/
Went in with low expectations for the mounting of a widely dismissed play, and it was warm, clear, intelligent, and wonderful. Completely brilliant directing. *shrug* I don't mind being confronted by art, but otoh I like to feel at least a little good.
Yeah i know what you mean. I know some ppl who are exactly like that.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Rufus Wainwright (he was the guy who collaborated with the director above -- Wilson -- and made the music for that piece)
He doesn't seem super-contra-flow in terms of artistic persona, but I can't place him in any other stack. His songs feel dry, languid, robotic and artificial, but also relatively elaborate from a strictly intellectual pov.
I'm going to a town that has already been burned down
I'm going to a place that is already been disgraced
I'm gonna see some folks who have already been let down
I'm so tired of America
I'm gonna make it up for all of the Sunday Times
I'm gonna make it up for all of the nursery rhymes
They never really seem to want to tell the truth
I'm so tired of you, America
Making my own way home
Ain't gonna be alone
I got a life to lead, America
I got a life to lead
Tell me, do you really think you go to hell for having loved?
Tell me, and not for thinking every thing that you've done is good
I really need to know, after soaking the body of Jesus Christ in blood
I'm so tired of America, I really need to know
I may just never see you again or might as well
You took advantage of a world that loved you well
I'm going to a town that has already been burned down
I'm so tired of you, America
Making my own way home
Ain't gonna be alone
I got a life to lead, America
I got a life to lead
I got a soul to feed
I got a dream to heed
And that's all I need
Making my own way home
Ain't gonna be alone
I'm going to a town
That has already been burned down
I will never be as cute as you, according to the board of human relations
I will never fly as high as you, according to the board of public citations
These are just the rules and regulations
Of the birds, and the bees
The earth, and the trees,
Not to mention the gods, not to mention the gods
All my little life I've wanted to roam
Even if it was just inside my own home
Then one little day I chanced to look back
Saw you sittin' there, being a sad culprit
These are just the rules and regulations
Of the birds, and the bees
The earth, and the trees,
Not to mention the gods, not to mention the gods
These are just the rules and regulations
Yeah, these are just the rules and regulations
And I like every one, yes I like every one
Must follow them
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Last edited by Amber; 11-23-2014 at 06:17 AM.
So/sp presidential couple - John and Jacqueline Kennedy, both so/sp.
yeah, my so/sp SEE-Fi so-called bf is the genetic result of a Jacqueline Kennedy&Falco fuck.
Dunno what type Falco is (looks kind of LSI/LSE E1), but she is probably ESI-Se.
He struck me as LSE from an interview and that could be creating the dissonance, but with the stacking I would have gone with sp/so. What I'm seeing is a whole lot of Delta -Ne "phantasmagoria" in his productions that would be ill-adapted for betas.
Rammstein is pretty much an ST + so/sp band.
another likely so/sp band
Well, Wilson doesn't actually have much to do with the German "grotesque", since he's the one who directed the whole thing and the Ensemble enacted it....but the Shakespeare's Sonnets show looks incredibly contra-flow...people seem mechanicized, turned into mere puppets .. everything smacks of caricature from mannerisms to make-up.
I haven't seen anything else by him, but this is a passage from a NYT review:
Whether he is staging a Wagner or a Monteverdi opera, an Ibsen play, a piece about the life of Marina Abramovic or a selection ofShakespeare’s sonnets, as he currently is at theBrooklyn Academy of Music, Mr. Wilson employs the same stylistic markers: starkly minimalist settings, luminous backdrops on which bands of glowing light slowly rise or fall, and actors in bright white makeup looking like merry or morbid ghouls, gliding across the stage in ritualistic movement.
Last edited by Amber; 12-15-2014 at 03:23 AM.
I'm redoing the ol' stacking composites, starting with So/Sp. I had the most trouble with them before because my impression of them were always rather, well, old. It was hard for me to envision a youthful Sx-last, since even at younger ages they always come off as much older.
One thing I find consistent across all So/Sp types facially is a certain roundedness to their eyes. In contact to Sx which seems to be perpetually squinting into the sun, So-firsts carry tension an opposite tension that forces them to be kept open. It carries the impression that they're much more aware of their peripheral surroundings, more engaged with their environment as a whole instead of fixating on one particular object.
See? Don't they look like nice, upstanding citizens and not creepball pedos?
Is it just me, or do others also dislike those face composites?
I actually find face composites quite accurate, in my personal way of interpretation (which is obviously different from some other people)
What do you not like about them?
The original face composites are pretty bleehhhhh and need updating. The So/Sps were particularly egregious, they looked pretty objectively old and creepy. I can understand why people wouldn't care for them.
VI of instinct stackings gets too close to morphology for my comfort. But since people refer to these composites, it's cool they're being redone. The new female so/sp meta-face doesn't smack of Hilary Clinton with a touch of Graves' disease. Thus much better. Thanks @Galen.
It's more meant to be an exposition of distinctive facial expressions, not phrenology. It's hard to pin down how individual static pictures represent how a person VIs considering how dynamic the face usually is, so these composites aren't going to be the end-all-be-all. But they're good for documenting particular qualitative traits like expressiveness, openness, etc.
Yeah, I think I get it, I viewed the Socionics composites that way, I guess they seem more subtle to me so it's easier for me to conceive of them as presenting mood or attitude or quality, whatever.
When I say "too close" to morphological stuff I mean like if you talk about the eyes' perceived openness, I can't help but reflect on the fact that I see how eye prominence seems to change with age, I guess because the tissue around the eyes thins out. I've noticed how some aging women start to look bug-eyed when they never did before. (I live in fear of this development, lol.)
It also kind of gets into face-reading territory for me. Just an iffy zone. But if it works for ppl, cool.
I think I used only one LSE in it (Paula Poundstone). There's a lot of Ne-egos though.
I find Silke's digital image (and some of the faces on her Pin-board...) closer to the looks of ppl I identified as so/sp. Galen's composites look very "common", simple, and lambish instead of willful and "soft with a crust" (an epithet I found spot on).
The way I see so/sp they have an open and serene countenance, but very distant and rigid at the same time. They convey more diffuse attention indeed (as if to everything in their surroundings, the periphery included) as well as a sense of control. They look like people you can hardly catch day-dreaming or unawares. A frontal and unambiguous look. Just watch Jacqueline Kennedy in all her pics. Or samples like Godard, Anna Karina, Rushdie, Lorde, Sia etc. The eyes are very open and roundish through their expression (even when physically they are not). There's a firmness in most of their features ..as if they control any movements of their mouth all the time. I guess So first just means way more awareness of the (potential) public ..as if constantly looking at oneself through the eyes of others. In some so/sp the "rigidity" of the facial expression can even resemble hostility. Of course this constant "focus" is accompanied by what is actually a lack of visceral or emotional charge ... but this is visible mainly when you measure them up to Sx first faces. The overall impression is one of coldish openness instead of radiant energy.
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I don't even need somebody's face to type their stacking with. I can do it with just an iris.
... since we're germanizing the forum ... Yvonne Catterfeld ...classic so/sp (>> both music and VI)
http://www.mtv.co.uk/yvonne-catterfe...h-zu-vergessen
http://www.clipfish.de/musikvideos/v...-zu-vergessen/
So please remind me to forget you.
Remind me now, my dreams no more to believe
Remind me now, I’m better off if I leave
Remind me now, to be free.
As every day, lying next to me,
your body stayed, but all your love couldn’t be.
Since that second look, there’s no going back.
It hurts me so!
Go!
And please remind me to forget you
I’m addicted and obsessed, too
So please remind me that I’ll get over you.
Ohhh
Go!
And please remind me to forget you –
not to break my promise to you.
And remind me to look ahead.
I’m barely free from all these bad dreams.
Remind me now, my pride never to lose.
Remind me now, of my life before you
I am stronger with this rage inside
The tears just wash you out of my sight
But with every stride, the memories stay inside.
It hurts me so!
Go!
And please remind me to forget you
addicted and obsessed, too
So please remind me that I’ll get over you.
Ohhh
Go!
And please remind me to forget you –
not to break my promise to you.
And remind me to look ahead.
I’m barely free from all these bad dreams.
The more I attempt to see clear
it is even more cloudy where our two paths go from here.
And though it stabs me like a blade
it just throws the truth into my face.
So please remind me to forget you.
I’m addicted and obsessed, too.
So please remind me that I’ll get over you.
Ohhh
Go!
And please remind me to forget you –
not to break my promise to you.
And remind me to look ahead.
I’m barely free from all these bad dreams.
So please remind me to forget you.
Sx last can be obsessed, too :-D
Last edited by Amber; 12-19-2014 at 07:12 PM.
I would like to see these images "stack typed". I am having trouble seeing a stacking in most of them. Maybe a couple stand out. I think I need movement and interaction in order to get a feel for stacking but some people may be better at seeing the physical characteristics. I am not big on VI to begin with but maybe because I am not too confident in my ability to do it. I would go with vibe over physical features.
Last edited by Aylen; 12-20-2014 at 04:25 PM. Reason: added another
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Getting back to this, have you redone any of the other composite pictures?
I'm still getting heavy sp/so vibes from the female so/sp pic. There's a certain membrane that is clouding her eyes. In case you've added Hilary Clinton, since the new composite looks very similar to the old one, after watching her interviews I figured her for sp/so - Bill Clinton's stacking identical.
Any ideas as to her enneatype?
I've redone a few that I haven't uploaded yet. Male sp/so (seems better, but probably need cleaner pictures), female sp/sx (needs more work, looks kinda fat and unappealing lol), male so/sx (looks too INFp, need evening out). Haven't done any other gender-pairs at this point, I want to make sure I have both down before I upload them. I'm realizing I have trouble getting a satisfactory male sx/sp, most of the faces I'm using are Ne-egos so it just looks like Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
I thought this composite seemed a lot brighter and more open than the last. Hilary Clinton isn't in it, but a lot of Ne-types are, so I wonder if that skews anything. Once I have access to the list of people used I'll copy it over and see what can be changed.
Seems somewhere on the Attachment triad, probably 9 > anything else. She's very bright and smiley in the interviews I see of her. Some IXFp makes sense too.
Last edited by Galen; 01-29-2015 at 05:53 PM.
3 so/sp
p . . . a . . . n . . . d . . . o . . . r . . . a
trad metalz | (more coming)
Michael Franti - so/sp (Si/Ne?)
luvz so/sp style:
Every day's not Valentine's,
but you make it feel like most of the time,
when I'm all alone with you.
Pickin up pieces of my life,
sometimes there's ones I just can't find,
but they found a home with you.
Woah, I'm not afraid to be alone,
but being alone is better with you.
Life is better with you.
Woah, woah, life is better with you.
Woah, woah, life is better with you.
And when I think about the things that we've been through,
I know just one thing is true, life is better with you.
Some days are better than other days,
but these days, life is better with you.
Some days are better than other days,
these days, life is better with you.
Life is better.
Tell me what you want, I'll give you all
that you need with my heart and my hands,
sayin please baby please because nobody does
that thing you do better than you.
Thoughts still swimmin round in my head
with all the words we've ever said.
My favorites remain, "I love you."
Woah, I'm not afraid to be alone,
but being alone is better with you.
Life is better with you.
Last edited by silke; 04-26-2015 at 07:50 AM.
Saba Douglas-Hamilton - so/sp (9?) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saba_Douglas-Hamilton
Last edited by silke; 03-12-2015 at 06:50 AM.
Dinosaurs - so/sp kid's TV series - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaurs_(TV_series)
Can I type Kate Bush so/sp?
Isn't this a Sx last take on a full-blown Sx story:
She has that beautiful and expressive face and I can't go too much by VI with her. But her music sounds so sterile and faint to me... kind of over-intellectualized and "stylized" of anything that could be raw. (not totally bad, but personally I don't like it at all).
STERILE??????? FAINT???????
She's like a musical goddess. To me anyway.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
I mean she's trying to put these words in Catherine's mouth, right. Cathy is prolly sx/so and Heathcliff sx/sp.
But everything sounds so ridiculous when uttered in her voice and musical style.
You had a temper like my jealousy:
Too hot, too greedy.
How could you leave me,
When I needed to possess you?
I hated you. I loved you, too.
"mousy" is the word that comes to mind ... I'd agree with sx-last but would have typed her as sp/so instead ...the sp instinct as the first one does impart a kind of diminutive quality to the person from my perception of it. with so/sp's the sense that I get is the opposite to that. where sp-first is consolidating and solidifying, soc-first is inflating and expanding itself.
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