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    He looks like an ISTj to me. ISTj's also tend to behave in such a way.

    But, of course, there is a chance I'm wrong.

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    If he is constantly criticising people for stupid unnecessary reasons he is definatelly ISTj ... my father is ISTj and he cusses and criticises people who do not conform to what he feels is a perfectly acceptable standard.

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    ESTJ


    ISTJ

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    I think his type is Raisinface.

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    According to socionics.com, we have ISTj.
    Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)

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    No points for guessing our favourite celebrity chef's type.

    Some hilarious highlights of the US version of Hell's Kitchen:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am5Y5Pvrb4M[/youtube]

    And a Top Gear interview:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1kjYAZ9PFs[/youtube]
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    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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    I thought he was SLE. I can see why LIE and SLE are confused.


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    ISTJ / ESTJ.....A very bad one.

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    That was unexpected.

    I too saw SLE all the way. He is caked in Se, people, iced in the shit.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129
    ISTJ / ESTJ.....A very bad one.
    agree. actually slightly leaning towards ISTj. not ENTj or any sort of NT as far as i can tell. XSTj seems to bark orders like that.
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    Default Gordon Ramsey

    The famous chef cook that curses a lot.

    Which type is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    The famous chef cook that curses a lot.

    Which type is he?
    Gordon Ramsay is not an ISTj (which Ganin believes), but he is definitely a logical type, and he is most likely a sensory type as well. He is not an INTp, he is not an INTj, and he is not an ENTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    fixed, you're welcome Phaedrus!
    And you are an idiot, glamourama!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    for real?
    Are you for real? Who can tell? No one according to hitta.

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    Are you still going with ESTj for Ramsay, Phaedrus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Are you still going with ESTj for Ramsay, Phaedrus?
    ESTj is much more likely than ISTj, but I am not sure of his type yet. There are no good arguments for ISTj but several almost conclusive arguments against it. People who suggest ISTj have screwed views on ISTjs.

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    From the interviews I've seen, he's some EJ.

    It's hard to see more because he seems to be acting all the time, but to the extent that the real person is visible, he seems to be a Fe-valuing, even Fe-ego, EJ.

    So, ESFj or ENFj. I'd be inclined to prefer ENFj.

    And, to those who'd argue about the unlikelihood of an ENFj becoming a famous cook -- well, it;s not obvious, but I don't think it's the most important thing. Besides, as is obvious, his strongest point seems to be his personality on tv, rather than his cooking.
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    Yeah it's difficult to get a lock of him due to acting. My thoughts on him have tended to edge towards ENTj, partly on the account that he doesn't appear to value Si and what seems to be an EJ temperament. Struck me from what i've seen as more so a logical type, but I guess could be ethical and ENFj could work also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    From the interviews I've seen, he's some EJ.
    Yes, that's the impression you get when you observe him in action for a long period of time. I have seen countless of hours with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    It's hard to see more because he seems to be acting all the time, but to the extent that the real person is visible, he seems to be a Fe-valuing, even Fe-ego, EJ.
    Absolutely not.

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    So, ESFj or ENFj. I'd be inclined to prefer ENFj.
    Idiot. How can you be so incompetent? There's no excuse for such incompetence in your case. You should definitely know better than coming with such absurd and ridiculous type suggestions.

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    I've always seen Ramsey as Se or Te ego. This is because he has the innate ability to get people to do stuff. I don't think he's LSE, because he relies to heavily on Se valuing, but I can see the argument for it (he's effective, productive and knows how to get the job done). This Fe ego suggestion is a new one to me. FTR, I can draw some parallels between his style and my own, in getting people to do things. A lot of swearing, and a lot of anger-driven method, with bollockings to follow if the job isn't done well.

    Oh look, I must be EIE after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Oh look, I must be EIE after all.
    Don't joke about such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I've always seen Ramsey as Se or Te ego. This is because he has the innate ability to get people to do stuff.
    Te ego way of getting people do do things is by telling them what they have to do, and how, and why; not by cursing or bullying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Don't joke about such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Te ego way of getting people do do things is by telling them what they have to do, and how, and why; not by cursing or bullying.
    And Fe ego way of getting people to do things is by cursing or bullying, right? Your stupidity is immense here. Wake up from your temporary incompetence, Expat. You obviously have a big flaw in your understanding of some types that becomes clearly visable when you talk about Fe ego types like the ENFj and the INFp. You just have an incorrect view on them. Bad, bad it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Te ego way of getting people do do things is by telling them what they have to do, and how, and why; not by cursing or bullying.
    And this other method; is this Se or Fe related in your eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    And this other method; is this Se or Fe related in your eyes?
    "Bullying", as in applying pressure, ultimately because you're the boss so they'd better do what you say or there will be trouble, it's Se.

    "Cursing", as in having an emotional upheaval reflecting your own irritation, so others feel how upset you are and so they feel they should do what you say, is Fe.

    And if it's not so "in your eyes", pray tell me why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    "Cursing", as in having an emotional upheaval reflecting your own irritation, so others feel how upset you are and so they feel they should do what you say, is Fe.
    No. It is definitely not Fe ego anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    From the interviews I've seen, he's some EJ.

    It's hard to see more because he seems to be acting all the time, but to the extent that the real person is visible, he seems to be a Fe-valuing, even Fe-ego, EJ.

    So, ESFj or ENFj. I'd be inclined to prefer ENFj.

    And, to those who'd argue about the unlikelihood of an ENFj becoming a famous cook -- well, it;s not obvious, but I don't think it's the most important thing. Besides, as is obvious, his strongest point seems to be his personality on tv, rather than his cooking.
    Nice!

    ENFJ was my final thought too after seeing some tv shows.

    I know an INFP who's a cook. So the mirror...

    He's certainly energetic, so Extraverted.

    He tries to pry/push people to get a respons, something I've seen with ENFJ's too.

    He thinks further then just the obvious. He's not just in the here and now. He likes to use psychological lingo to the cooks he's trying to persuade. Intuitive seems plausuble.

    The only cons I can think of, is that he's a perfectionist (Delta) and he doesn't really have a young looking face. ESTJ would be my second guess, but I keep watching to make sure, cause this guy is pretty hard to type...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Nice!

    ENFJ was my final thought too after seeing some tv shows.
    Incredible. Don't tell me that you have been brainwashed too. That would just be too much. Every person who thinks that Gordon Ramsay is an ethical type is brainwashed for sure. Are you TOTALLY blind or what has happpened to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    He's certainly energetic, so Extraverted.
    Most likely, yes. It certainly seems that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    He tries to pry/push people to get a respons, something I've seen with ENFJ's too.
    Irrelevant. The ENFj way of pushing people is not Ramsay's way. Come on! Are you a donkey? You can't type!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    He thinks further then just the obvious. He's not just in the here and now. He likes to use psychological lingo to the cooks he's trying to persuade. Intuitive seems plausuble.
    Not really. He looks ST on V.I. The only intuitive type he could be is ENTj.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    The only cons I can think of, is that he's a perfectionist (Delta) and he doesn't really have a young looking face.
    Bullshit. Perfectionism is not a Delta trait. You can't type that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    ESTJ would be my second guess, but I keep watching to make sure, cause this guy is pretty hard to type...
    That there is no way that he can be an ethical type is as clear as day.

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    Don't take it too serious. I obviously made this threat because I'm not sure what type he is.

    Although my first impressions were that he's a logical type, their is just something wrong with that. He talks harsh and cold sometimes and curses a lot yeah, but he doesn't just care to get the job done, but cares about the people, about serving, etc. Also he seems way to manipulative. He plays like he's hurt etc. An ESTJ would curse to give more weight to a one way order, an ENFJ would curse to get a respons or motivation out of people. Ramsey does the latter.

    That's just the way I perceive/think at this moment. If eventually this means that I'm brainwashed I shall begin wearing an aluminium mask.

    BTW I'm currently following the shows in which he tries to give existing restaurants a new start. Pretty fucking well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Don't take it too serious. I obviously made this threat because I'm not sure what type he is.
    Typing people is a serious business. Treat it with respect. Don't come up with random type suggestions that are obviously false if you take a closer look. Take a closer look before you suggest anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    Although my first impressions were that he's a logical type, their is just something wrong with that.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    He talks harsh and cold sometimes and curses a lot yeah, but he doesn't just care to get the job done, but cares about the people, about serving, etc.
    That's what the job is about. His whole focus is on the job and everything that is included in getting the job done the most effect and the most perfect way possible. You don't understand what he is doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    Also he seems way to manipulative.
    Here you prove that you don't understand his actions. He is not manipulative at all. Not the least. He says what he believes is true, and most people can't handle that. He and I are very similar in that respect, but Ramsay is much more harsh and vulgar than I tend to be in real life, except from exceptional circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    He plays like he's hurt etc.
    No, he doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    An ESTJ would curse to give more weight to a one way order, an ENFJ would curse to get a respons or motivation out of people.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    That's just the way I perceive/think at this moment. If eventually this means that I'm brainwashed I shall begin wearing an aluminium mask.
    You obviously need to study the four dichotomies and the types in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamelion View Post
    EIE
    Idiot. It's unacceptable that people think that Ramsay is an ENFj. Totally unacceptable.

    Why are most of you blind idiots? Why can't you learn anything? Why are you so damn incompetent? Your stupidity is a disgrace to mankind.

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    I haven't watched his shows. I've watched a few interviews, with Parkinson and George Strumbulopoulos (sp?) for instance.

    Especially if you contrast his Parkinson interview with the earlier one with Meg Ryan. Meg Ryan was serious (if friendly), a bit wary, and the interview ended arguably "badly" from an entertainment point of view. That was a clear Fe-Fi disconnect between Parkinson and Ryan.

    Now the Parkinson interview with Ramsay was hugely entertaining, apparently for all the participants - at the cost of the "seriousness" of the interview, since he seemed bent on giving a "show" rather than "himself". Yet it would be wrong to see it that way, if he is EIE or ESE, because (like with cracka here, for instance) his natural way of conducting any interview is by making it funny and entertaining.

    The same in the interview with Strumbulopoulos (sp?). And, in both cases, it worked well because the interviewers are also Fe quadra types (Parkinson is ILE imo, and Strumbulopoulos is a clear IEI).

    So, if Ramsay seems to be "acting" in interviews, I think it's rather that that's his natural way of behaving, and so EIE or ESE makes perfect sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    So, if Ramsay seems to be "acting" in interviews, I think it's rather that that's his natural way of behaving, and so EIE or ESE makes perfect sense.
    EIE or ESE makes ZERO sense. You have to realize that, and you have to accept it. Do it. Now.

    ESE is an incredibly idiotic, insane, idiotic, stupid, moronic, useless, infantile, imbecile type suggestion for Gordon Ramsay. It's embarrassing that we have to hear such crap coming from Expat of all people. It's utterly disgusting. You should stop practicing Socionics if you allow yourself to make such HUGE typing mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    EIE or ESE makes ZERO sense. You have to realize that, and you have to accept it. Do it. Now.

    ESE is an incredibly idiotic, insane, idiotic, stupid, moronic, useless, infantile, imbecile type suggestion for Gordon Ramsay. It's embarrassing that we have to hear such crap coming from Expat of all people. It's utterly disgusting. You should stop practicing Socionics if you allow yourself to make such HUGE typing mistakes.
    Can someone please ban Phaedrus. It was funny, but now the joke is wearing thin.

    Seriously, he is trolling and flaming like he has done a thousand times before.
    LII
    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariano Rajoy View Post
    Can someone please ban Phaedrus. It was funny, but now the joke is wearing thin.
    I don't think he has done anything that justifies banning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariano Rajoy View Post
    Seriously, he is trolling and flaming like he has done a thousand times before.
    I don't think that's what he does. I think he cares a lot about socionics and gets frustrated that so many people see things differently from him - which he can only deal with by saying that everyone else is obviously wrong, and he's obviously right. The alternative would be to have to deal with the unbearable reality that he's the one who's got so many concepts totally wrong. He can't do that, so he over-reacts in the other direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I don't think he has done anything that justifies banning.



    I don't think that's what he does. I think he cares a lot about socionics and gets frustrated that so many people see things differently from him - which he can only deal with by saying that everyone else is obviously wrong, and he's obviously right. The alternative would be to have to deal with the unbearable reality that he's the one who's got so many concepts totally wrong. He can't do that, so he over-reacts in the other direction.
    Fair enough. I would have kicked him for ceaseless posts of personal attacks and general lack of content.

    It's good that I am not mod
    LII
    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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