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    @Chae I'm quite amazed by how cute you are in the new pic tbh (is it you?! ) but I'm even a bit disappointed 'cause I thought you'd look like a korean meme boy, I'll deal with that though~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I don't think it's stupid and find it premature to judge it as such on the surface, full offense intended. Of course people desire to have an ideal relationship, they want to match well because it makes them happy. It's a fundamental human drive and not hard to get, brains love comfortable lies. I understand that you'd pick the illusion of harmony and an unlikely/seldom dual constellation over accurately typed, less ideal ITRs anytime because it gives you a good feeling about yourself and your partner. It's done to counter cognitive dissonance. The mere thought that the two of you are not meant to be or technically don't work out spreads in the mind once you give it fertile ground of doubt which is always there in any relationship. People likely know how prone to self-fulfilling prophecies they are subconsciously and compensate. It's a move of anxiety. Which is natural, so I'd be surprised if people would not do this. How did you type your S/O?
    I get where it comes from, but I still think it's dumb or at least delusional, sorry not sorry. Having an ideal relationship has little to do with socionics imo. The latter is up for debate and you're allowed to disagree, but you have to admit first typing as LSE and your SO EII and then figuring out you're actually EIE and your SO thus must be LSI when you're looking at the same damn person for the whole time is delusional. The only other option is that you have no idea about how types look like and should not be trusted with typing anyone. The same goes for people who type themselves ESE and very suspiciously type their besties ILE , LII and SEI and then change their type to IEE and suddenly their friends conveniently change to EII, LSE and SLI. Unless you're a newbie to socionics, that's just stupid.

    I type my SO by IE's I think he uses, and still think he's as close to ideal for me as it can get, even though I don't type him my dual. Maybe if I was a teenager without experience I could actually buy this, but doubt it. In fact - to the contrary, I believe that if you're really romantic, you believe that love and connection are magical and above math formulas such as socionics ITR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    I learned long ago that trying to fix other people's faulty perception of me is a losing game.
    This is very true. You can tell people who you are, show them, but if they want to see you in a certain light, that is how they will see you.

    On the forums, if you are well liked, you can type as anything you wish, no matter how ridiculous and people will agree with your typing. But, if you upset someone or disagree with them, then they will insist on typing you something else. In one person's typing thread, most of those backing up the girl's self-typing were guys who mentioned finding her attractive. A clear bias is evident, wishing to please her because of their attraction. On the other hand, my disagreement with a few people on the forum means to them that I must be SLI even though I have never shown even the smallest indication of being Si lead. There's no actual basis for many typings, they are justified after the fact. The reasoning goes: I like you --> I will agree with you, and find reasons to agree with you -or- I dislike you/you upset me/you disagreed with something I said --> I will find reasons to retype you.

    People can present how they wish, and emphasize things that may or may not be real qualities of theirs in order to get a consensus from others on their type. It's easy enough to play up stereotypes, focus on certain words and phrases, present an image and be put into any box you want to play the part of. A lot of people quite successfully do this. I've known of people who under different accounts have achieved almost complete consensus on their types, as very different types. I won't say who this is lol, but it goes to show how easy it is to manipulate perception, and this can be inadvertent as well, it's not always on purpose.

    The only benefit to having a consensus on one's type in my opinion is that it gives you somewhat more authority in speaking about that type, its functions and strengths/weaknesses. But, when you look at so many different things that are used and manipulated to justify completely different types, the value of typing itself is called into question. The only thing I'm the least bit interested in is how people think, how people perceive reality in different ways, and there's real evidence that we don't all see the same world, and we process in different ways. . . but typing ourselves and each other in these rather superficial ways gets nobody any closer to understanding what those actual differences are. And to assume that thinking differently immediately implies that you must conflict also does no good. Why do you see the world the way you do? Why do I see the world the way I do? What does that mean? I'm not sure many people here are even interested in these questions.

    I've taken a break from socionics, and after more than a decade of waxing and waning interest and enthusiasm, I'm now having trouble finding any value in it at all. I see people using it to label and categorize and divide people, and the whole nation right now is so fractured that seeing even more of this disgusts me. The amount of hate people are carrying with them over stupid stupid things is ridiculous. Divisions over things like race and gender, the tension is so strong right now - the old adage of seeing not the color of someone's skin but the content of their heart is long forgotten. It kind of makes you think too -- you think of two people MLK Jr. and Hitler: both commonly typed as EIE (and I don't care about disagreements on this right now, whatever, they're common typings) with very different values, both charismatic, both leaders, both influential speakers but going in opposite directions, one pushing for harmony and peace, and the other for division and war, but both the same type. Which one has beta values? Well, around here on the forum these days only Hitler is allowed to have "beta values" and MLK Jr. must be retyped as something else, probably IEE, when EIE has always in the past been the most common typing for him. Does anyone actually pay attention to what they're doing - how they are being carried along in these tides of bias and animosity, being pitted against each other?

    Anyway, so I currently see typing itself when it is not used for understanding as detrimental, as a tool to tear people apart, to create friction, and as nothing more than a big cliquish game of popularity tag on the forum. And once a label has been slapped on someone, a whole slew of assumptions attached to that label get attached to that person as well. Most of them completely inaccurate. There's just so much garbage to wade through, and so many pretending to be experts lol, which okay, it's amusing, but really not adding any value.

    All that said, I find it interesting to see people's genuine perceptions (not based on battletyping nonsense) regardless of what type they think I am. I think we're all at least somewhat interested in how we appear through other people's eyes just out of pure curiosity if nothing else. The fact that possibly more people type you LSI right now than they do me actually kind of tickles me, even though these are battletypings, the justifications are nonetheless interesting. It puts the entire forum in a comedic light to realize that there are a number of people actually serious in these suggestions. It demonstrates quite well how much it becomes some kind of social game being played. The explanations and justifications aren't real, they're a narrative, a story to believe in and tell each other, to write themselves and others into the parts they want, and cast the others into the roles of villains. Those who need most to believe, need most to have a part recognized will be the strongest forces for insisting on a person's type, and most upset by not having their type recognized. It may be part of developing an identity, finding one's place, idk, I think most people grow out of it eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    I get where it comes from, but I still think it's dumb or at least delusional, sorry not sorry. Having an ideal relationship has little to do with socionics imo. The latter is up for debate and you're allowed to disagree, but you have to admit first typing as LSE and your SO EII and then figuring out you're actually EIE and your SO thus must be LSI when you're looking at the same damn person for the whole time is delusional. The only other option is that you have no idea about how types look like and should not be trusted with typing anyone. The same goes for people who type themselves ESE and very suspiciously type their besties ILE , LII and SEI and then change their type to IEE and suddenly their friends conveniently change to EII, LSE and SLI. Unless you're a newbie to socionics, that's just stupid.

    I type my SO by IE's I think he uses, and still think he's as close to ideal for me as it can get, even though I don't type him my dual. Maybe if I was a teenager without experience I could actually buy this, but doubt it. In fact - to the contrary, I believe that if you're really romantic, you believe that love and connection are magical and above math formulas such as socionics ITR's.
    Not the point Have mercy on them, we've all been there. Of course such typings are convenient, for the reasons I elaborated. So you gotta deal with it and teach instead of just dismissing it with claims of stupidity which doesn't help whatsoever. Calling them dumb won't move us nowhere near making people type themselves correctly. Contra-growth mentality. It's obvious that when this pattern shows up in someone's typing they need improvement and you have to second-guess the types, that's a given.

    Note how you contradict yourself and demonstrate exactly what I called the comfortable lie: "Having an ideal relationship has little to do with socionics imo." "I type my SO by IE's I think he uses*, still think he's as close to ideal for me as it can get". I see how it is now You didn't dare to state his typing because you know you fell into the precise trap that you critique and can't cope - so you blame others. Only thing I know, be careful there and make sense of your personal ITRs first before going after others when they make a mistake because they want a good relationship. Surprise surprise, just like you. You ain't different from the people you call dumb and delusional, embrace it or continue blocking people from improving their skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    @Chae I'm quite amazed by how cute you are in the new pic tbh (is it you?! ) but I'm even a bit disappointed 'cause I thought you'd look like a korean meme boy, I'll deal with that though~
    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Chae is a cutie no matter their avatar, though.
    ~<3 Thank you! Yes, it's moi Ah, well I usually use Jungkook from BTS with his funny faces, credits to him not me in this case.



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    Art fills the walls in my room, my house is a gallery. Feel free to visit comfortably anytime. Iím just living like I used to
    Like my childhood wish, like the people on TV. Iím living it up but Iím still sad and lonely. A corner of my heart is empty. I need somebody, I ain't got nobody
    Petrus, Latour, Margaux, Conti, Jayer. I obsess over 1988 vintage, but (I need some) friends who are the same age as me. Instead I pour my own glass and drink by myself
    I'm tired. Today, tomorrow, every day is filled with work. But if there wasn't anything tomorrow it'd be strange. Hello? Is there anyone there?
    "Youíre so admirable."
    Softly, softly come on over here. Donít cry, why are you crying? Why are we both crying? Ask the stars, ask them.
    I need somebody, I ain't got nobody

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    silke, you nailed it. this part of the forum reminds me of the ancient roman gladiators, it's quite amusing to notice the ones who supposedly should value Si/Fi/Te/myass/whatnot are always in the front line when it's about establishing who's the better gladiator of the forum

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    I'm surprised because I'm almost excited about this socionics. For a while I was thinking there's nothing to it, but recently a lot of it is starting to make sense. People, past relations, and me. Typing too. I don't type, or battle type, if battle type means you type someone you don't like as another type. Those who do, or see it like that, are in it for the ego.
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    Call no man ESE until he is dead.

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    I think that typing ourselves could be very helpful to improve our skills and relations with others. We know then how it works and why (or why not works ). Sometimes I'm relly surprised, that some people talking about types other people behind their neck, cause they are bored and don't do that with good feelings, but only through their subjectivity emotions about like/dislike that person (and it isn’t connected with socionics at all).

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