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    I lied. I figured I'd get on board the bandwagon of typing and retyping.

    I'll be releasing a series of videos answering the questionnaire questions, and we can settle once and for all that I'm definitely ILE/EII/ESE. Maybe.

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    Next episode previews on my website!
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    This video is a parody, right?

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    It's not purely any one thing, except perhaps a piece of a puzzle that hasn't fully formed yet.

    I forgot to mention one of my other values is Fuck Tradition/The Interrobang. Take from that what you will.

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    dunno what type you are, but you VI like that porn actor the LSI I'm seeing watches every morning before breakfast at 7.30
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    @rosewood I'm really worried if anyone in the porn industry, or really any kind of cinema or performing art looks remotely like me.

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    ILE. You look like John Lennon or Sean Lennon, take your pick, fwiw.

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    I like to think I V.I. as Groucho Marx, but apparently he's not culturally relevant anymore.

    It's some consolation you didn't compare me to Daniel Radcliffe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBain View Post
    ILE. You look like John Lennon or Sean Lennon, take your pick, fwiw.
    so i'm not the only one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    @rosewood I'm really worried if anyone in the porn industry, or really any kind of cinema or performing art looks remotely like me.
    ay, don't worry, he only watches really niche stuff : master&slave (as in the Hegelian dialectic, of course)

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    ILE or at the least Ne dom. You are a lot like this Ne dominant guy I know, in looks, personality, facial expression, voice tone, whatever.

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    ILE/EII/ESE, if I needed to choose, ILE without any doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    dunno what type you are, but you VI like that porn actor the LSI I'm seeing watches every morning before breakfast at 7.30
    If I was a guy I would have had a huge crush for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    If I was a guy I would have had a huge crush for you.
    you don't have to be a guy for that

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    For all the ILE voters, what is the school of thought that produces an ILE typing for me? Is it because I'm abstract and "intellectual"? I find it a really interesting typing to arrive at naturally.

    For the record, ILE, EII and ESE aren't multiple choice You can nominate other things!

    Next video incoming in a few hours...

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    ILE-Ne stoned, EIE-Fe (?) during hangover and on a new dose of cocaine or just trying out some mockery. Intuition is obvious. Sorry, but you have to look like Sarah Palin to be typed ESE. EII absolutely not, I_I likely not --- you seem extroverted and not in a low degree.

    So yeah, maybe a new video on a more serious note would do.

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    Why cocaine? Was I too wild-eyed and intrusive? In several takes of the video I stared off into the distance while I groped for words, and it wasn't a good look. I'm thinking I overcompensated a little, or is there something else?

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    While the next video uploads over my slow Australian internet, here's a clip from one of the movies I'll be talking about. It has a really stinging feel to it, and hits me square in the heart:


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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    you don't have to be a guy for that
    True. But I have always thought I was straight.. Maybe I should reconsider it.
    Is it an invitation?

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    I think the only thing I'm proving is that I'm probably going to wind up on the news for losing it turning into tcaud a reptilian...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    I lied. I figured I'd get on board the bandwagon of typing and retyping.

    Next episode previews on my website!
    Sounds like you've been smoking the reefer while reading Heidegger.

    I have a type in mind, but I am aware you aren't actually looking for one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    Sounds like you've been smoking the reefer while reading Heidegger.
    I actually kind of wish people wouldn't jump on the marijuana jokes just because of my dreadlocks. I've never smoked once. Marijuana at least... I do have a mix of sencha and allergy pills I like... and, yeah, I did once take an experimental anaesthetic used to study schizophrenia in rodents, and, yes, I will confess I do drink DXM citrate once every other month or so, but still... In all seriousness, being written off as merely channelling The Drugs is troubling, and something I find myself irritated by.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I have a type in mind, but I am aware you aren't actually looking for one
    I am interested in what type you think I am, but in the interest of fair dealing, know that I don't really self-type, and your opinion will merely be considered, and probably not accepted. If those terms are acceptable, I'd love to hear what you think. If they are not, I won't waste your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    I actually kind of wish people wouldn't jump on the marijuana jokes just because of my dreadlocks. I've never smoked once. Marijuana at least... I do have a mix of sencha and allergy pills I like... and, yeah, I did once take an experimental anaesthetic used to study schizophrenia in rodents, and, yes, I will confess I do drink DXM citrate once every other month or so, but still... In all seriousness, being written off as merely channelling The Drugs is troubling, and something I find myself irritated by.
    The outer space rhetoric just reminded me of some of my own illicit experiences. Granted the dreadlocks probably influenced the association but...in all honesty, it was more about what you were saying than how you looked. Don't know if that's much better, but...it wasn't just because



    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    I am interested in what type you think I am, but in the interest of fair dealing, know that I don't really self-type, and your opinion will merely be considered, and probably not accepted. If those terms are acceptable, I'd love to hear what you think. If they are not, I won't waste your time.
    I'll keep it succinct since you're interested but not out to be convinced. Cosmic fantastic essences (Ne) + "values" (Fi) = IEE. I think "trying to fit the map to the territory" is more Te/Fi, while "trying to fit the territory to the map" is more Ti/Fe, if that makes any sense. Deconstruction I also associate with Delta. I've heard Plato was a Beta, but well, I think these were secondhand accounts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    The outer space rhetoric just reminded me of some of my own illicit experiences. Granted the dreadlocks probably influenced the association but...in all honesty, it was more about what you were saying than how you looked. Don't know if that's much better, but...it wasn't just because


    No, thanks, it's a lot better. I find dismissals for superficial reasons irritating, and I've had my fair share of experiencing them. I'll remember to give you more credit in the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I keep it succinct since you're interested but not out to be convinced. Cosmic fantastic essences (Ne) + "values" (Fi) = IEE. I think "trying to fit the map to the territory" is more Te/Fi, while "trying to fit the territory to the map" is more Ti/Fe, if that makes any sense. Deconstruction I also associate with Delta. I've heard Plato was a Beta, but well, I think these were secondhand accounts...
    Thanks. I do actually consider IEE a really good typing, certainly more reasonable than pinning ILE on someone with a habit in recreational fictional psychology. (A conclusion I find puzzling, to say the least.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post

    Thanks. I do actually consider IEE a really good typing, certainly more reasonable than pinning ILE on someone with a habit in recreational fictional psychology. (A conclusion I find puzzling, to say the least.)
    You saying NTs aren't allowed? Newton believed in alchemy. We can be fairly delusional also in our own right .

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    Dude, you are Ne

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    You saying NTs aren't allowed? Newton believed in alchemy. We can be fairly delusional also in our own right .
    It's more like I don't see an ILE divvying their leisure time up between scientific pursuits and getting totally emotionally engrossed in the plight of fictional people.

    In my next video, I promise to rail against the videogame patriarchy shattering my--admittedly incredibly sexist--immersion into troubled and helpless proxies by reducing women to props and decorations. And something something queer theory something something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    It's more like I don't see an ILE divvying their leisure time up between scientific pursuits and getting totally emotionally engrossed in the plight of fictional people.

    In my next video, I promise to rail against the videogame patriarchy shattering my--admittedly incredibly sexist--immersion into troubled and helpless proxies by reducing women to props and decorations. And something something queer theory something something.
    haha, fair enough. As I said in another thread, anytime I hear the word "patriarchy" while I'm thinking socionics, I think "NeFi". Just sayin'

    I think the ENTp people just heard the Ne and the word "systems" so they immediately banged "ILE" onto their keyboards with their skulls before rolling around on the ground in some kind of unfortunate seizure that results from not having an actual brain but a merely a fused shut node at the top of the spinal cord.

    I've been meaning to ask, is that a Yoshitaka Amano drawing in your sig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    Dude, you are Ne
    you talking to me?



    (or Holon)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    haha, fair enough. As I said in another thread, anytime I hear the word "patriarchy" while I'm thinking socionics, I think "NeFi". Just sayin'
    That's the joke

    I think the ENTp people just heard the Ne and the word "systems" so they immediately banged "ILE" onto their keyboards with their skulls before rolling around on the ground in some kind of unfortunate seizure that results from not having an actual brain but a merely a fused shut node at the top of the spinal cord.
    I shouldn't have laughed at this...

    I've been meaning to ask, is that a Yoshitaka Amano drawing in your sig?
    It's from Angel's Egg, a collaboration between Mamoru Oshii and Yoshitaka Amano. I love the symbolism of the book in the background. I think it "signifies" me really well.

    I've been following your views on IEIs, but what do you think typifies the EIE? I think they're quite dissimilar beasts.

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    i love Angel's Egg. <3

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I think the ENTp people just heard the Ne and the word "systems" so they immediately banged "ILE" onto their keyboards with their skulls before rolling around on the ground in some kind of unfortunate seizure that results from not having an actual brain but a merely a fused shut node at the top of the spinal cord.
    it's more that Holon has been around for wayyy longer than you (maybe) realize and has posted on the forum under different usernames, and so, even if he has gone through certain changes in lifestyle now it doesn't change who he was before and how he was a much more explicitly obvious ILE. but regardless, still pretty ILE in the video anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    you talking to me?



    (or Holon)
    Is it Holon's thread or yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post

    It's from Angel's Egg, a collaboration between Mamoru Oshii and Yoshitaka Amano. I love the symbolism of the book in the background. I think it "signifies" me really well.

    I've been following your views on IEIs, but what do you think typifies the EIE? I think they're quite dissimilar beasts.
    I knew I recognized it. anyways, the key to EIEs is DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA. Usually you'll find them with their own cult of personality thing going- Martin Luther King, Jr., Nelson Mandela, Hit-ler, Jennifer Lawrence, Steve Jobs.

    As I detailed in another post that I'm not totally set on recapitulating, the difference between Fe and Fi is that Fe (especially Fe doms) likes as much external emotional data zipping around as possible. Usually this consists of lots of fucking people crammed into one space, trying to channel the same emotion. As you've got the Amano signature, I know you play Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy has absolutely nothing to do with Fe. It is about the evolution of relationships between imaginary people. It is Fi fetishism.In the same way that Ti is theoretical logic, Fi is theoretical emotional situations. If you've ever tried to play Final Fantasy with another person in the room, you can see how Fe disrupts Fi. The other person is going to keep asking you who all these people are, bringing you back to reality, bringing you back to the actual emotions in the room-the annoyance of this other person- preventing your immersion in the imaginary emotional developments.

    tbh you're not very dramatic in a Fe sense. I mean you have demonstrative so you've got more than me if I start droning on about the economy or something, but still, not a lot. Not like an EIE. EIE drama is like Hit-ler being able to rabble rouse a crowd into killing the Jews.

    That's a pretty good analogy for Beta Rational Duality: Hit-ler for the EIE, a goosestepping Hit-ler Youth for the LSI. Nuance is not EIE. They are out to get the most people involved as possible.

    My dad was an LSI, and they tend to get frustrated pretty quickly by the Ne "What is the essence of X" gibberish pretty quickly (no offense). They want someone who can charge them up and give them a sense of "purpose" so they can bravely charge into a battalion line of bayonets or whatever. They don't want to sit around and dissect the essence of the essence of the essence blah blah blah.

    You also seem wanting of Si, so...I know you aren't considering changing type or whatever, but perhaps EIE isn't right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    it's more that Holon has been around for wayyy longer than you (maybe) realize and has posted on the forum under different usernames, and so, even if he has gone through certain changes in lifestyle now it doesn't change who he was before and how he was a much more explicitly obvious ILE. but regardless, still pretty ILE in the video anyway.
    I don't think it's insignificant that people who "know" me are very, almost rigidly, inclined to stick with ILE, while there's more flexibility when I've presented myself as a blank slate. First opinions are a powerful thing, especially when those opinions become politicised or placed on an intellectual battlefield. I would also say that anything that is a "textbook example" ought to imply one's heuristics or emotional needs are dominating reality.

    Of course this cuts both ways. I've never agreed with ILE, and, as I continue to develop from being an emotionally deprived and socially retarded adolescent, I'm finding it an ever more confounding conviction, so I'm just as biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    I think the only thing I'm proving is that I'm probably going to wind up on the news for losing it turning into tcaud a reptilian...

    Irrational Ne type. Alpha, I guess.
    But still you have that damn affectation that I could relate to EIE.... do you always speak like this? You seem sooo soft and public-oriented. Is that your real accent or just a mask? Actually I didn't know you were referring concretely to yourself in your "Isolation" thread. You seem so/sx stack ..strangely enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    do you always speak like this?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    Irrational Ne type. Alpha, I guess.
    But still you have that damn affectation that I could relate to EIE.... do you always speak like this? You seem sooo soft and public-oriented. Is that your real accent or just a mask? Actually I didn't know you were referring concretely to yourself in your "Isolation" thread. You seem so/sx stack ..strangely enough.
    I'm speaking to myself as I write to myself. So no, not all the time. Audience is definitely important, but I'm in the process of trying to build a voice to express myself.

    The accent is totes legit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    Tense is important. "Do" and "have you always" are significant, in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I knew I recognized it. anyways, the key to EIEs is DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA. Usually you'll find them with their own cult of personality thing going- Martin Luther King, Jr., Nelson Mandela, Hit-ler, Jennifer Lawrence, Steve Jobs.
    Could you expand on your argument that Martin Luther King Jr. is "DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA" or were you just drunk and you shouldn't be taken seriously.

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    @Holon, I watched your video yesterday and concluded that you are not very much like me. I see a lot of NE in you. I think in EIEs NE is a demonstrative function and they can sometimes appear light hearted, but the essence of the EIE is a seriousness that can be rather depressing to be around, actually. There is an earnestness, and a strong push to exact action or change that contributes to the seriousness. I don't get that vibe from you.

    I didn't want to clutter up your typing thread, so I blogged some videos of EIEs on my profile. Some music that I like is there also. Hopefully I will have some time to go back and pull out quotes for those who don't have the time to watch the videos.

    These people are very much like me. For some reason, people think of EIEs as drama queens, and I think that can be misleading. I don't come across that way at all. I am like a cross between Gene Wilder and Doris Kearns Goodwin.

    Good luck with your typing. Don't be discouraged if it takes time. It has taken me a long time to settle on EIE and sometimes even now I question that typing.
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    Your (obviously) deep understanding of the machinations of wit blended ever so carefully with a whispering, inquisitive voice (almost like someone is in the other room and you don't want them to hear you talking) really take me as someone who is too caught up in their own mind to be caught dead in the space we mere inferiors dwell.

    In short You,
    Mr. Holon, can now truly epitomize the Euphoric mindset, for you have been TYPED!

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