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    Quote Originally Posted by Elina View Post
    So I hate this vid. It's just before bed and I'm not proud of my appearance or the messy counter getting in the shot but whatevs lol


    @darya @Whoobie77 @woofwoofl @Holon @aisa I wish I could @ The Martrix but it doesn't seem to work b/c of the space in his name..
    yeah, you're a Fe type. IEI mos def.

    (I still think Gillian Anderson is not a good IEI benchmark, tho)

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    Giiirl where was all this Fe hiding in writing You talk similarly to me (same quirky confused expressions) and have the same energy level as me.

    I vote IEI-Fe. Did you answer the typing questionnaire yet?

    And you seem like the sort of girl I would be friends with

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    Are types undemonstrative, in your interpretation of Socionics?

    For my opinion, I don't see a lot of typable content in this video, to be honest, other than Irrationality. If there's any context of posing or artifice, it's peripheral to the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    Are types undemonstrative, in your interpretation of Socionics?

    For my opinion, I don't see a lot of typable content in this video, to be honest, other than Irrationality. If there's any context of posing or artifice, it's peripheral to the video.
    That is why I asked her if she answered the quiestionnaire yet. Cause I can't type her based on this. I'm just surprised as I thought she will be much less animated. IEE-Fi's I've seen were somehow more serious and still with their facial expressions (compared to Ne subtypes).

    I voted IEI-Fe from those two options.

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    You're IEI, most definately

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    (I still think Gillian Anderson is not a good IEI benchmark, tho)


    Isn't she LSE or something?

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    Too little info in the video to type anything.
    If IEI, probably not Ni subtype

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    To be honest, I don't really like using "animated" as type VI.

    1. Affect is neurological and says nothing about "information processing". ( is about the self as an object, "how do people relate to me?")
    2. Some writers seem to like to imply that affect has nothing to do with by contrasting bubbly, friendly ESEs with reserved, brooding EIEs.
    3. Gender and socialisation.

    But obviously that's just, like, my interpretation, man.

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    @Holon hmm tbh I have no idea, but I usually find types with dominant Fe to be very expressive (as in you can usually read their emotions from their face). But I agree, it would be great if @Elena could answer the questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    2. Some writers seem to like to imply that affect has nothing to do with by contrasting bubbly, friendly ESEs with reserved, brooding EIEs.

    But obviously that's just, like, my interpretation, man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Holon View Post
    Are types undemonstrative, in your interpretation of Socionics?
    Yes, Fe does have to do with emoting and theatricality, in my interpretation of Jungian psychoanalytics (I thought Socionics was the best system for a while, but now I try to read MBTI, Socionics, stuff in Beebe's model, Pod'lair...it all gives me a better mental image). These things are ways of controlling some kind of external emotional field which I don't really understand because I'm a Te user. Even "brooding" EIEs know how to control this energy.



    There's a long article about the Evolution/Involution Reinin dichotomy which says something along the lines "ESE-Involution, natural, earthy emotions." "EIE-Evolution, artificial, play emotions." I think this video (NSFW) of Amanda Palmer (EIE) is an excellent demonstration of EIE brooding. What happened to her was quite horrible, but she's using the doo woop major key in the way an ESE might unironically express happiness, to make an ironic, evolutionary-style point. But essentially, ESEs and EIEs manipulate the same form of information, despite in different fashions.

    Fi types on the other hand do not care about/do not understand this field, so they tend to express what they feel without forming a way to present it to other people. All Fi Egos can be demonstrative if they want to, because they are also strong in Fe (hell, I believe all types can use all the functions, it's more a matter of where you are most comfortable and adept), but it isn't usually something they are constantly doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post

    Isn't she LSE or something?
    I think she's Ne/Si, beyond that I just don't know, bro.

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    Yes, EIE's even when they're brooding and simingly calm, they will let everybody know about this with their facial expressions. It's like every emotion is a little bit over the top (for the show, as a display to other people).

    And I know a lot of very theatrical ESE's who are most definitely not EIE's as well.

    But I really don't know exactly how IEE-Fi facial expressions look, so I'll have to check on that.

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    @darya @Whoobie77 yeah, I dun goofed. I reread my sources, and I don't even know where I got what I was saying.

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    Hehe @Holon, I actually once did a video and I was typed EIE-Ni by a few people. And I can see why because I have some kind of artificiality in my expression when I'm talking in front of the audience (which I didn't even know I have till I saw myself on cam). But I'm certain that by functions I'm NiFe, I just use quite a bit of Fe.

    Elena is much more idk how to say, more "pure" and unassuming in her emotional expression

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    shit that accent's strong, i didn't really hear anything in what you were saying other than your strange way of talking.

    i haven't seen it anywhere else yet, but woof suggested that you could be sp/so subtype, and this be less outwardly intense etc here, and more proper and serious and shit.

    or something in that vein. i thought you sounded logical, but other people see fe, so i dunno. to me animated i think is at like eie levels or something.

    and you talk too much to be an introvert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    shit that accent's strong, i didn't really hear anything in what you were saying other than your strange way of talking.
    Elena your English is perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Elena your English is perfect
    it wasn't meant as an insult. i suppose she does sound pretty european, and I'm not around many europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    it wasn't meant as an insult. i suppose she does sound pretty european, and I'm not around many europeans.
    You should hear me, you would probably need subtitles


    and you talk too much to be an introvert.
    Is she supposed to just sit there and look pretty ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    You should hear me, you would probably need subtitles
    i don't think i've heard you before. skype me.

    Is she supposed to just sit there and look pretty ?
    exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    it wasn't meant as an insult. i suppose she does sound pretty european, and I'm not around many europeans.
    She's got rather an american accent on the top of her european "roots".
    And you do not need to be a bastard, hold on your harsh judgements a bit
    What if YOUR accent was as much barbaric as you write?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    She's got rather an american accent on the top of her european "roots".
    And you do not need to be a bastard, hold on your harsh judgements a bit
    What if YOUR accent was as much barbaric as you write?
    well she said that she was talkign about how she talks, and giong through pronounciation of her name, there wasn't really anything new to add ..

    i don't see how it's a harsh judgement. INSINUATING.

    i didn't pick up the american for some reason.

    i could understand what she says, it's only northern europe that i can't understand

    like the really slurry thick with lots of unconventional phrases etc.

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    @Elina you look very friendly and natural and it's pretty much all I can say judging from this video.
    I can't exclude either IEI nor IEE based on this material (I honestly don't know if I were to judge based on this vid only). But having said that I'm not a "master" typist

    Looking through the above responses one thing I'd like to address is the perception of Fi using types. The above video doesn't dismiss Fi in ego. I'd be surprised with Fi as the main subtype as in EII-Fi or ESI-Fi, but that's about it. Fi types also do smile when they want to be friendly towards other people you know guys
    My face can be non-expressive, especially when I am talking about sth very difficult for me to share and forcing it out (my husband reported me looking like EII-Fis from some video examples after a conversation like this). When in a rut or depression I also am withholding expression (and this did lead me to thinking I'm EII at some point).
    However when in a normal mood and not a generally depressing moment in life - the above video doesn't show the amount of Fe that a Fi type wouldn't exhude.
    Just my 2 cents.

    (@darya, Elina I'll PM you, maybe this will help to figure some things out one way or another, Idk)

    edit: I have trouble seeing Gillian as a Beta quadra member tbqh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    However when in a normal mood and not a generally depressing moment in life - the above video doesn't show the amount of Fe that a Fi type wouldn't exhude.
    Creative Fi can look like Fe with because Fe is in the demonstrative position. Is that right?

    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    edit: I have trouble seeing Gillian as a Beta quadra member tbqh...
    She looks so delta to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    You should hear me, you would probably need subtitles
    Make a video!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Creative Fi can look like Fe with because Fe is in the demonstrative position. Is that right?
    in a daily "light" interaction that would be my bet, yeah
    The differences become more visible in closer interactions and/or difficult situations and the way emotions are handled - shown/not shown and which are or are not on display - at least these are the differences I tend to see in real life interactions...

    She looks so delta to me.
    yeah I kind of see her in Delta too (much more so than in Beta)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    in a daily "light" interaction that would be my bet, yeah
    The differences become more visible in closer interactions and/or difficult situations and the way emotions are handled - shown/not shown and which are or are not on display - at least these are the differences I tend to see in real life interactions...
    That's right. Both are used. It all depends on what is valued. That can only be found out in more stressful situations, when one must streamline their thought, and act truer to their personality.

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    IEI E 9 sp/sx

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    Great video and I really love how open you about considering other types.

    I'm not sure what you are but you are more expressive than I thought you'd be based on your picture. That said, I don't think being expressive especially on cam proves whether or not someone is an Fe valuer though. Ethical types, in general, have good or great Fe usage. IEEs actually have stronger Fe than IEIs (theirs is 4 dimensional while ours is 3 dimensional) and their Fe is demonstrative. EIIs have 3 dimensional Fe too but it's their ignoring function so the proverb "still waters run deep" often fits them, in the sense that they don't show their passionate nature as much but I'm sure that they can be expressive too when they want. So yeah, while you could be IEI, Fi valuers can be expressive, too.

    Here's a link that talks about VI and its manifestation through the demonstrative function. Maybe that'll help a bit. Demonstrative ethics fits me well and I also get a lot of the remarks in the descriptions about my smiling from others like my mom.

    I personally think it's better if you just learn more about the theory and type yourself instead of relying on people's impression on you based on picture and a 2 minute video. It can be helpful but it's more satisfying knowing how the system works so you are more confident in your typing. There are many ways to type yourself (Reinin, temperaments, model A, intertype relations, romance style, erotic attitudes, descriptions, subtype theories, gulenko communication styles, dimensionality of functions, quadras, tests, etc). If you find that you fit the criteria for IEI or whatever in many of these, you'll be more confident in your own type. Good luck!

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    @Elina while I'm still not quite 100% convinced tbh (but I can live with that ) - in the end noone here knows you the way you do.
    And while it did sound unusual for an IEI to get only INFP and ENFP test results - I can see that it can be attributed either way - to you being an IEE-Fi, but also to you being e9 IEI which would account for what you mentioned above as seeing multiple options and the MBTI tests are built around the assumption that "J" types are less focused on open ended solutions and options than "P" types. So e9+MBTI could produce INFP/ENFP when you're in fact MBTI INFJ.
    Probably you'd get different socionics tests results as they're built in a slightly different manner.
    Then again I shouldn't be that surprised, cause my husband is e9w8 and one of the most laid-back people I know and he got an ENFP result in MBTI test (with strangely looow percentages on N F and P ), but on socionics test his result clearly points to a thinking type and SLI-1Te to be exact (when I finally convinced him to take the test, lol).

    So while personally I'm not e9 (and the above mini-ramble is me seeing various options through Ne here ) I think as mentioned before - there's a fair chance you and me share tritype and this might account for me seeing some similarity there when starting to read you for the first time yesterday (btw @darya I think this likely also applies to why you find you can force yourself enough to read my posts, lol )

    actually, I know e9 IEIs exist, but I think the ones I've met irl and knew well enough to type them were IEI-Fe e4w3 girl and IEI-Ni e6w5 male (and if somehow 6w5 can be counterphobic - then that's what he was, very much so) - so I don't have an IEI e9 benchmark to compare (well, there's a chance one of my recent students was IEI e9, she is the sweetest person, but unfortunately I was preparing her only to one exam and chances are I won't see her again in a conversation setting )

    I'm curious as an e9 how do you experience Ni (does it push you to taking action/making decisions upon your predictions?) and whether you're prone to applying push-pull in your relationships (sth IEIs are known for, of course a stereotype, but so far I've only seen it work irl too)? anyway, if you feel like sharing this - please do and if not - ignore me this is just me being curious, cause if you're IEI e9 it's interesting how/if your experience varies from other IEIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    well she said that she was talkign about how she talks, and giong through pronounciation of her name, there wasn't really anything new to add ..

    i don't see how it's a harsh judgement. INSINUATING.

    i didn't pick up the american for some reason.

    i could understand what she says, it's only northern europe that i can't understand

    like the really slurry thick with lots of unconventional phrases etc.
    I do not think that pointing her accent the way you did was really relevant or helping.
    But I am probably not helping either

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    I actually think ESI.

    You very much resemble a roommate I had who scored ISFP on mbti and ESI on socionics. I know VI is controversial, but you have that classic face structure that strikes me as ESI.

    edit: IEIs have a more irregular face, and I would not say they are "classically" beautiful or handsome. They compensate for it with expressiveness of the eyes.

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    Nah she's got a typical face for a girl from Scandinavian Europe (Lithuania right?).
    Does not mean all of them are ESIs though...
    I wouldn't solely go with VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elina View Post
    Gillian Anderson is listed as IEI here http://www.socionics.com/advan/infpcelebs.html

    That site has some okay material, but when it comes to typing celebrities they are just absolutely bananas in their methodology. They have Putin as an ILE, J.K. Rowling as an ILI, and Russell Brand as an EII. I would take all of their typings with a fistful of salt, especially because they provide no argumentation for their typings.

    Here's a different website that has Gillian typed as LSE:

    http://www.socionics.us/celebrities/lse.shtml

    Unlike the other site, there is actual justification for the typing:

    "We can forget about socionics for a moment and read how Gillian is commonly described by other people, and then compile these descriptions and compare them with our type hypothesis. Some adjectives describing Gillian that I got are: strong, independent, logical, skeptical, and no-nonsense."

    "Starred with David Duchovny (EII) in The X Files series."

    "Gillian: It was Clyde's smile that first attracted me. He was very quiet, rugged and cool, but I soon realized he had a lot to say and that he was a very intelligent man." "This isn't the kind of thing that IEIs usually value in partners. They like people who are crazy and unfettered and can take them somewhere."

    I don't know enough about her to type her myself, but I will say that a serial show like the X-Files which focuses on evolving relationships over time and unusual occurences has a very Delta vibe to it. When I think Beta television, I think of stuff like Ridiculousness. Lots of extreme sports and laughing at other's misfortune.


    Quote Originally Posted by Elina View Post
    I was thinking about Claire Forlani. I've watched a Youtube video of her before and thought she was too nervous/anxious to be IEI, just because I consider myself IEI and I'm not that way. I didn't figure out a more likely type for her, but just thought she wasn't similar enough to me to be IEI. Now I realize she's prbly just IEI E6. It makes so much more sense now!
    This may be why I like her so much, I'm also a Ni-Type 6. Although I've heard 6 is somewhat rare for IEIs.





    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    @
    Looking through the above responses one thing I'd like to address is the perception of Fi using types. The above video doesn't dismiss Fi in ego. I'd be surprised with Fi as the main subtype as in EII-Fi or ESI-Fi, but that's about it. Fi types also do smile when they want to be friendly towards other people you know guys
    yeah, it is still possible that she is a Fi type. But, idk, she put up that video of Chad Johnson in other thread and said she dated someone exactly like that and that was her dual. I'm inclined to believe her, for whatever reason. She said she even followed his Twitter on the off season. I took one look at his Twitter page, and the first thing that came up said, "SUCK A DICK YOU BALD FAG-GOT". I can't really see a Delta NF being interested enough in that kind of discourse to follow it. Gamma could still be in, but dude is a football player, and from the Beta quadra page:

    Beta quadra types are energized by competitive situations where analytical tactics are emphasized.

    I know I flip-flopped, but I didn't just do it because she smiled in the video.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ollyx2OxenFree View Post
    . IEEs actually have stronger Fe than IEIs (theirs is 4 dimensional while ours is 3 dimensional) and their Fe is demonstrative. EIIs have 3 dimensional Fe too but
    I've heard of the demonstrative function, but, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about with dimensions. I have never seen it any of the socionics literature I have read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elina View Post
    I think Naomi Watts may be another IEI E6 but I haven't analyzed that far enough to be confident in that. But it could be another one to check out if you're interested in possibly finding IEI E6.
    As far as the dimensions it's mentioned on wikisocion when desribing the positions of the functions of Model A. I think the wikisocion page is just titled "Socionics" or something and then they break down all the functions in model A and that's where they talk about dimensions
    ooh I do like Naomi Watts...but I thought she might be SEI.

    In any case, I'm heavily re-evaluting anybody's type who is in any way connected to David Lynch, because I thought he was IEI but somebody made a compelling argument to me for EII. I don't even know.

    as for the dimensions, i had never seen that before anywhere. Seems kind of experimental and I'm not sure that I trust it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post


    I've heard of the demonstrative function, but, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about with dimensions. I have never seen it any of the socionics literature I have read.
    Basic idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post

    as for the dimensions, i had never seen that before anywhere. Seems kind of experimental and I'm not sure that I trust it yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elina View Post
    Yea I've never paid attention to that much. Just the Ego/Spuer-Ego etc blocks and also individual position descriptions like Base, Creative are enough for me.
    Come on, guys! Why settle when you can have a deeper understanding? I find it quite useful and it adds more depth and clarity to a lot of things. For one, certain types are strong and weak at the same functions so they can look similar superficially such as with IEIs and EIIs. As Elina said, it's part of model A. Give it a look.

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    Also, do I have to have a pretty avatar or a video of myself like Elina in order for people to look at my questionnaire?!
    Lol, I put it on so many hours ago and was surprised no one had anything to say on both this forum and personalitycafe. Even have a good amount of pictures of myself and some childhood pics for those of you who like to VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    shit that accent's strong, i didn't really hear anything in what you were saying other than your strange way of talking.

    i haven't seen it anywhere else yet, but woof suggested that you could be sp/so subtype, and this be less outwardly intense etc here, and more proper and serious and shit.

    or something in that vein. i thought you sounded logical, but other people see fe, so i dunno. to me animated i think is at like eie levels or something.

    and you talk too much to be an introvert.
    do you always take woof's suggestions as commands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    "Gillian: It was Clyde's smile that first attracted me. He was very quiet, rugged and cool, but I soon realized he had a lot to say and that he was a very intelligent man." This isn't the kind of thing that IEIs usually value in partners. They like people who are crazy and unfettered and can take them somewhere."

    why should this be an LSE thing ? If she was asked to say what she liked about her co-worker, she probably stated the obvious ,which is him being a silent, laid-back man who "has a lot to say". any type can be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    In any case, I'm heavily re-evaluting anybody's type who is in any way connected to David Lynch, because I thought he was IEI but somebody made a compelling argument to me for EII. I don't even know.
    i'm really curious about this, was it public somewhere?

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