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    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Just a vi guess- ili.

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    What about Enneagram, 4w5?

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    This guy is sooo downbeat. I don't know if that makes him ILI,

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    This guy is sooo downbeat. I don't know if that makes him ILI,
    Ni-IEI's are some of the most downbeat folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Ni-IEI's are some of the most downbeat folks.
    I will pray for them.


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    Define downbeat?

    Definitely Fe > Te. He's the Revolutionary Mystic Shaman of the Rap-game.

    I have Jay-Z as his Supervisor, which is ironic, when all things considered Nas destroyed Jay-Z in their Rapoff and Jay couldnt figure out why he was losing.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    he's definitely got an NY state of mind


    LOLOLOLOL GET IT

    naw but forreal tho, Nas is cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Define downbeat?
    Downbeat: relaxed;unemphatic;slightly gloomy

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    LIE-Ni, it certainly feels like he's got a lot of Ni going

    edit: in the first video the woman interviewing him is most likely ESE - it's funny how she tells him to smile and he's like, "my deadpan face is my smiling face", to which she responds "oh, you must be a difficult person to date" - an example of merry vs. serious misunderstanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    What about Enneagram, 4w5?
    6w5

    compare Nas with Aubrey Plaza, Te ego 6w5



    Last edited by silke; 06-19-2014 at 01:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    LIE-Ni, it certainly feels like he's got a lot of Ni going


    6w5

    compare Nas with Aubrey Plaza, Te ego 6w5



    Why not ILI for him? That would make him and Aubrey the same type. Are you sure he's extroverted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Why not ILI for him? That would make him and Aubrey the same type. Are you sure he's extroverted?
    simply because he reminded me of this LIE i used to know, same kind of softness and deadpan expression alternating with out-of-tune smiles and smirking, mannerisms typical of LIEs but not ILIs that i know

    from the second interview where he talks of his divorce it sounded like emotivist > constructivist for him, he talked rather confidently about how his marriage went downhill and how he has learned from it etc. than ILIs usually speak of such topics with their Fi/Fe 'zone of vulnerability'

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    simply because he reminded me of this LIE i used to know, same kind of softness and deadpan expression alternating with out-of-tune smiles and smirking, mannerisms typical of LIEs but not ILIs that i know

    from the second interview where he talks of his divorce it sounded like emotivist > constructivist for him, he talked rather confidently about how his marriage went downhill and how he has learned from it etc. than ILIs usually speak of such topics with their Fi/Fe 'zone of vulnerability'
    Yeah LIEs are "softer" than ILIs.

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    Awww he's so cool and seems a sweetheart He uses a lot of Fe in that first interview. I still think he's IEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Downbeat: relaxed;unemphatic;slightly gloomy
    Yeah that just sounds like IP in general(Melancholy). ILI, IEI, SLI, SEI, from left to right i think would exhibit that the most.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    I can see IEI from the interview. The woman interviewing him really scares me for some reason.

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    As of Enneagram, I would also say 6w5, but not very sure.

    And I agree, he really doesn't look like an IEI by pictures alone (quite tough looking), but I think it's more of a tough rapper poise than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    As of Enneagram, I would also say 6w5, but not very sure.

    And I agree, he really doesn't look like an IEI by pictures alone (quite tough looking), but I think it's more of a tough rapper poise than anything else.
    And what would his tough rapper friends say if they knew he's really a softie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    And what would his tough rapper friends say if they knew he's really a softie?
    He's Nas, he can do whatever the fuck he wants

    He even talks about how he had to learn to be tough and described himself as charismatic, poised, calm, insightful. Talk about the loss of integrity, love.."Some great works comes from pain,some great work comes from love, from loss".I think he's definitely an NF and not an NT.
    He just seems such an obvious softie to me Why are IEI guys always so hot???

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    He's Nas, he can do whatever the fuck he wants

    He even talks about how he had to learn to be tough and described himself as charismatic, poised, calm, insightful. Talk about the loss of integrity, love.."Some great works comes from pain,some great work comes from love, from loss".I think he's definitely an NF and not an NT.
    He just seems such an obvious softie to me Why are IEI guys always so hot???
    Actually, I see it now. As I look at him, he seems to be about to smile at every moment.
    Why? You tell me!

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    Nas is the only other IEI-Ni 6w5 i've heard suggested other than me.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    IEI-Ni 4w5, probably so/sx.
    4w3-5w6-8w7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Nas is the only other IEI-Ni 6w5 i've heard suggested other than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    IEI-Ni 4w5, probably so/sx.
    6w5 is quite unusual for an IEI. I was also thinking he is either 6w5 or 4w5 (5 wing but definitely not 5). His pictures are very 6w5 though

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    I like Nas. Ni-IP all the way.
    ďWhether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.Ē

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    6w5 is quite unusual for an IEI. I was also thinking he is either 6w5 or 4w5 (5 wing but definitely not 5). His pictures are very 6w5 though
    Childhood trauma for the win!
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    6w5 is quite unusual for an IEI. I was also thinking he is either 6w5 or 4w5 (5 wing but definitely not 5). His pictures are very 6w5 though
    Is 6w5 unusual because IEIs just ignore danger anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Is 6w5 unusual because IEIs just ignore danger anyway?
    most of the russian IEI type descriptions talk of IEIs being able to foresee dangers (-Ni of beta quadra) and inform the SLE about them such that both of them don't perish. in this sense e6 is even more congruent with being iei than e4.


    The IEI is able to foresee impending dangers of ethical-intuitive kind - a quality that is valued within second quadra. This allows him to anticipate somebody's insidious plan, a possible betrayal, treachery, hostility, detect lack of sincerity. With such information and "forecasts" the IEI provides an invaluable service to his dual. By this he wins over his dual's consideration and trust in shortest time possible, becomes his "right-hand man/woman", freely and confidentially communicates with him on any topic. In intuitive-ethical sense the IEI has the same effect on the SLE as does the EIE on the LSI. (link)

    The IEI has an inclination to imperceptible forms of control. This is due to the fact that his psyche is filled with forebodings. He remembers experiences and lessons of the past well and tends not to repeat mistakes. This keeps him under constant pressure, makes him search for sources of danger. Accordingly, his form of business activity is oriented not at overcoming obstacles, but rather at exercising prudence. ... In his behavior IEI is guided by his intuitive presentiments. Due to this quality he is capable of surviving in the most difficult situations. He quickly distinguishes falsehood, hypocrisy, artifice, degradation. (link)

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    @silke, hm interesting, whatever material I read about IEI's it was always implied 4w3 = IEI-Fe, 4w5 = IEI-Ni and in my opinion it definitely fits the descriptions the most. But I can imagine e6 IEI.

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    Who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Who?
    Get with the program InvisibleJim

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    Im not so up to date on Enneagram, but e4 has that urge/need/inclination/behavior to express themselves in a unique way correct? To show themselves as the beautiful butterfly/unique snowflake they feel they are inside?

    Even though i'm IEI, and most IEI do sort of have that, i don't care about that type of thing at all. I've heard i'm different/unique my entire life, and im happy just taking someone's word for it. I do not care either way. Other peoples opinions matter less and less the less i know you, "Unique" is of so little consequence, why put any weight in anyones opinion of that at all? I would think with IEI being both conceptual and aristocratic, more of us would think the value of that concept is (Hierachily) worthless. Is that reasoning not sound?
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    @silke, hm interesting, whatever material I read about IEI's it was always implied 4w3 = IEI-Fe, 4w5 = IEI-Ni and in my opinion it definitely fits the descriptions the most. But I can imagine e6 IEI.
    That's how I saw it.
    Actually, I'm thinking I might be IEI-Ni. Even though the Meged description for the Fe subtype matches my outward behaviours/characteristics better.

    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Get with the program InvisibleJim
    He must have just woken up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Im not so up to date on Enneagram, but e4 has that urge/need/inclination/behavior to express themselves in a unique way correct? To show themselves as the beautiful butterfly/unique snowflake they feel they are inside?

    Even though i'm IEI, and most IEI do sort of have that, i don't care about that type of thing at all. I've heard i'm different/unique my entire life, and im happy just taking someone's word for it. I do not care either way. Other peoples opinions matter less and less the less i know you, "Unique" is of so little consequence, why put any weight in anyones opinion of that at all? I would think with IEI being both conceptual and aristocratic, more of us would think the value of that concept is (Hierachily) worthless. Is that reasoning not sound?
    It's sound. But we don't reason our enneagram type. It's just there in the background driving us.

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    With Ni being about the fluidity of abstract notions, Ni- about avoiding danger, Fe about identifying motivation(amongst others) and F being that value judgements>empirical data; That all converges into a self-awareness of concepts, and how that reflects(IP) in our behavior. How can an Ni Base not have reasoned their own motivations? Of all the type combinations, how can IEI not be the one that thinks about the exact type of thing Enneagram is supposed to encapsulate?
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

    Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If itís a disease, itís nobodyís fault. Yay empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Get with the program InvisibleJim
    What program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    most of the russian IEI type descriptions talk of IEIs being able to foresee dangers (-Ni of beta quadra) and inform the SLE about them such that both of them don't perish. in this sense e6 is even more congruent with being iei than e4.
    The IEI is able to foresee impending dangers of ethical-intuitive kind - a quality that is valued within second quadra. This allows him to anticipate somebody's insidious plan, a possible betrayal, treachery, hostility, detect lack of sincerity. With such information and "forecasts" the IEI provides an invaluable service to his dual. By this he wins over his dual's consideration and trust in shortest time possible, becomes his "right-hand man/woman", freely and confidentially communicates with him on any topic. In intuitive-ethical sense the IEI has the same effect on the SLE as does the EIE on the LSI. (link)

    The IEI has an inclination to imperceptible forms of control. This is due to the fact that his psyche is filled with forebodings. He remembers experiences and lessons of the past well and tends not to repeat mistakes. This keeps him under constant pressure, makes him search for sources of danger. Accordingly, his form of business activity is oriented not at overcoming obstacles, but rather at exercising prudence. ... In his behavior IEI is guided by his intuitive presentiments. Due to this quality he is capable of surviving in the most difficult situations. He quickly distinguishes falsehood, hypocrisy, artifice, degradation. (link)
    Truth, all of it. It explains a lot.

    From the point of creativity I have sought danger in order to find ways of surviving it and sometimes that means foreseeing an outcome and creatively avoiding it before it happens. Like preemptive strikes.

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    he certainly helped to make one of Nardwuar's worst interviews


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