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    Is this a Te-SLI or a LSI? I mean Stefan Molyneux, the radio show host, not Elliot Rodger, the subject of the days program....

     



















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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    Is this a Te-SLI or a LSI? I mean Stefan Molyneux, the radio show host, not Elliot Rodger, the subject of the days program....
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg
    I think Molyneux is LSI. In this video where he reveals his lymphoma diagnosis, he talks about how good he feels about the perspective he now has on the minor irritations of life, and that he has actually experienced moments of joy. There is no talk of the Si implications, which would seem very important to an SLI. He easily speaks of how "amazingly in love" he is with his listeners, with a fluency in Fe that I have not really observed in my SLI friends.

    He is very much like someone I know who I have typed LSI. Careful and thorough in communication, same speech patterns and facial expressions. He looks like someone I would work well with. This video is very revealing, would you care to comment on other IEs that I haven't noticed?
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iris View Post
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg
    I think Molyneux is LSI. In this video where he reveals his lymphoma diagnosis, he talks about how good he feels about the perspective he now has on the minor irritations of life, and that he has actually experienced moments of joy. There is no talk of the Si implications, which would seem very important to an SLI. He easily speaks of how "amazingly in love" he is with his listeners, with a fluency in Fe that I have not really observed in my SLI friends.

    He is very much like someone I know who I have typed LSI. Careful and thorough in communication, same speech patterns and facial expressions. He looks like someone I would work well with. This video is very revealing, would you care to comment on other IEs that I haven't noticed?
    I think of him being very self-righteous. I think of him as being fearful, I would describe him as risk adverse, security seeking. He is to my mind, he is totally evil. I am completely repelled by him. I find him ghastly.

    Listen to him talk about the school shooter. Blaming his dad for being a film director... blaming him for getting a divorce... blaming his step mom for making the boy eat soup. Ghastly. He seems to be obsessed with some kind of attachment issue. He seems like a hater. I consider myself to be LII, very similar to the LSI. I have no attachment issue. I interpret his comments on the Hunger Games Killer as if the boy needed Fi. Yet clearly Elliot wanted Fe. He wanted to be cool, integrated into his peer group and esteemed by them, yet Elliot could not figure out how to do that. He wanted Fe - he wanted his parents to be enthusiastic (Fe) about his future and what he found beautiful and amazing about life. What Elliot wanted in life was to make an impact on his friends. He had no friends so he chose to make an impact on the world at large through murder. That is total Fe. He is just like me. Elliot is like me if I were crazy and filled with hate. Elliot is very LII like - as Robespierre was a mass murderer. Should not an LSI see the same need for Fe in the lad?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iris View Post
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg
    I think Molyneux is LSI. In this video where he reveals his lymphoma diagnosis, he talks about how good he feels about the perspective he now has on the minor irritations of life, and that he has actually experienced moments of joy. There is no talk of the Si implications, which would seem very important to an SLI. He easily speaks of how "amazingly in love" he is with his listeners, with a fluency in Fe that I have not really observed in my SLI friends.

    He is very much like someone I know who I have typed LSI. Careful and thorough in communication, same speech patterns and facial expressions. He looks like someone I would work well with. This video is very revealing, would you care to comment on other IEs that I haven't noticed?
    I haven't watched the wole video, only random parts, but LSI sounds reasonable, much more than SLI. No delta values, in general, seems to emanate from him.

    I do not know too much about that guy but I think her's a big libertarian proponent, anarcho-capitalist by the way. That's an economical choice and lifestyle in general which is much more appealing to democratic quadras, making me doubt if LSI. I would also consider LII, specially a very social one. Looking at pictures of him, his smile and facial expressions seem very kind and soft, more in an alpha-style than beta imo, where Fe and emotions are more "intense" or "burning" even when they're less evident (superid-Fe, but still Se valuing). Or even Ti-ILE, due to the fact that he's a bit fast talker; LxIs tend to concentrate more what they're saying, but this seems to be a more unlikely option than LxI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    Elliot is like me if I were crazy and filled with hate. Elliot is very LII like - as Robespierre was a mass murderer.
    Technically, neither Robespierre was nor a LII (in general) would be a mass murdered. Not because they're incapable of big evils, but because hardly a Se PoLR will get his hands dirty. Robespierre killed no one, he sentenced people to death. It's a big difference (in the way of acting, not necessarily in the morality of the action).

    If they want to do such things they usually act behind the scenes, with more subtle and indirect methods. The closest think I can conceive in xIIs would be mass poisoning or any form of terrorism, but not shooting or stabbing.

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    I do not think anybody here understands the theory ... let us make projections that can be proven. Are their any to be made?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    I do not think anybody here understands the theory ... let us make projections that can be proven. Are their any to be made?
    Except you maybe?

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    I can be modest, I can be grand ...


    Anyway, I definitely do not cozy up with Stephan the Canadian libertarian ... in fact he is my image of my own opposing quarta. My first impression of him was he was a gamma LIE. His repulsive energy, his darkness seemed very Te to me. But I tend to see a lot of +Fi in him. If you listen to him, it is all about attachments... it is like he thinks that attachments do all things. He also seems like a technician, not really a theorist. It is like he wants to be an "ethicist." The idea of being an "ethicist" is completely repulsive.

    I have never rejected the idea of being a Beta NF. I adopt Alpha NT because none of the types jump out at me, I do not see myself in Delta (Marista claims I am an LSE/SLI !!!)

    My honest view of Stephan is that he is an Fe Polr / Te creative.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    I can be modest, I can be grand ...
    If you say so.

    Anyway, I definitely do not cozy up with Stephan the Canadian libertarian ... in fact he is my image of my own opposing quarta. My first impression of him was he was a gamma LIE. His repulsive energy, his darkness seemed very Te to me. But I tend to see a lot of +Fi in him. If you listen to him, it is all about attachments... it is like he thinks that attachments do all things. He also seems like a technician, not really a theorist. It is like he wants to be an "ethicist." The idea of being an "ethicist" is completely repulsive.
    Types share characteristics that makes them, to some degree depending on the particular cases, prone to mistypings. It depends on how much the subject is polarized (that is, close to the archetype). As usually people are not black & white, they manifest contradictions. Inside the full rich set of characteristics, if you choose a particular coherent subset it would lead you to one option, but if you select another subset the answer could be different...

    In this particular case, I have not watched the whole video (as I said in my post) neither I know too much about this guy. I've paid more attention to his energy levels and the way he speak, more that what he said. Except if the analysis I'm doing is very extensive, I prefer this over functions because the later presupposes that people almost use ego ones (colored by superid). This is a big mistake; if so people from opposite quadras will almost never agree to each other, and this is not what usually happens with reasonable individuals. You can prefer X ideas, but if you are aware that in this case/topic they will not apply or work, you will focus in another ones.

    Quasis are quasis for a reason, as an example. If not, why so much doubt in self typings, or why the so called "russian experts" disagree so much between them, sometimes even typing the same people as conflictors???

    Gamma LIE is not an unreasonable typing, although Molyneux would have to be a very introvertized one. As I said, his emotions are expressed in a, how to say, positive way?. LIEs are on average optimistic and happy people, by contrast to how betas use to manifest their emotions ("intense", "burning"). I do not see the "darkness" you're talking about, maybe you simply dislike the guy and this feeling could be biasing you.

    But something that you never, never has to do is to immediately throw out your quadra someone only because you dislike him. You can dislike even some equals, and alternatively, you can like some conflictors. Statistically this will not be the mst common situation, but it happens.

    I have never rejected the idea of being a Beta NF. I adopt Alpha NT because none of the types jump out at me, I do not see myself in Delta (Marista claims I am an LSE/SLI !!!)
    If you are admitting you're not sure about you quadra, how will you associate "someone who you dislike [energy, functions, whatever]" to the opposite one? It does not make much sense.

    My personal opinion about you is that you're some kind of IEI. Merry intuitive seems for sure, introverted seems reasonable, and I do not see enough Te on you. Obviously LIIs will have a strong preference for Ti, but they will eventually use Te when they have to. All your analyisis and opinions seems Ti-like but I detect almost no Te in them. Maybe you're confused because many IEIs focus on Ti a lot (much more than SEIs) appearing to be logical instead of ethical. But as I said, that's just my opinion, and not so strong as I have in other people. Like the less unreasonable way I can type you for the moment, if you want.

    About Maritsa... her typings are almost limited to "if you're a man and I like you, you're LSE (or SLI); if you're a woman you're SEE". Make your own conclusions.

    My honest view of Stephan is that he is an Fe Polr / Te creative.
    You've said LIE, but Fe PoLR are ILIs, not LIEs. And I disagree; maybe LIE, but not ILI. Not enough irrational, quite more Fe expresiveness than in the average ILI.
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    That great philosopher gets really frustrated with Ti ponderings which do not relate to the real world. Hence Te base. Likes to talk about IQ which another point towards (gamma) Te. Former entrepreneur. Worked himself to burn out. I think I can give him very heavy diagnostic label: LIE.

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    LSE

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    SLI

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    I've been watching him a lot lately. Agreed with Te ego. Given how long winded he is I think he is probably Ti demonstrative, and his particular career choice seems like something an IXTp would like. I wouldn't totally discount Te base though

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    He seems to be Fi seeking. LSE/LIE are bit easier for me to see but xLI might work. Workaholic in the past on the other hand speaks for itself for Te base.
    Tries to play a therapist.

    I have watched him somewhat. I don't like that he really, really tries to bury Ti to a place where sun wont shine. Not really that interesting.
    He has some agendas which he applies way too much.
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    after watching more I think he is Te base, particularly LSE.

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    not lse

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    IEI very much a victim (enneagram 6) and his insecurity is one he compensates for with aggression. His orientation is towards ideological the collective (aristocrat), he seems stupid enough to even understand the individualism he things he is advocating. To the contrary individualism amounts to being content with one's interests without a desire to impose one's ideology on others or have others imposing their ideology on him.

    He is like a Social Justice Warrior, the repulsive Beta ones - for the dominant quadra it's either their way or the high way. They have a much harder time tolerating differences. Deltas are collectives too but as the normalizing quadra they ignore people who have nothing to do with them.

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    Here he is having some fun which is more stronger on :

    Followed by and failure of trusting a person with so clear signs of impulsive decision making:
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    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    Likes to demonstrate his activity, desires to a have a cult run by axioms he makes/decides to follow. Ambition. Little interest in theoretical, analytical content that lives in its own dimension. Society. Shakespeare. Fiction classics (literature).


    LSI
    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    He seems like an LSE to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    He seems like an LSE to me.
    I watch a lot of his videos, although I find him tiresome to listen to for a long time. Definitely not my LSE dual, or indeed anywhere near my quadra (Delta). Feels extroverted, lots of Te. His "The Truth About..." videos, rich in Te facts, particularly draw me in but then his preachy Ni/Fe mix begins to bore me, he shoots some mobilizing Se out (he has a lot of these brief, angry Fe/Se outbursts) and it aggravates me so I stop watching. But I always end up coming back, because I like his Te-related stuff. Oh, and his constant attempts to classify himself as an some sort of God-sent paragon of virtue scream suggestive Fi.

    Fairly confident he's my semi-dual. LIE with well-practiced role Fe; maybe a slight Ni sub-type lean but nothing too strong.

    EDIT: Since I'm fairly well typed as LSE now, my position on this has changed. See response post below for why I now think he's my LSE identical.
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    I stand corrected about his type. Very, very LSE from this monologue at 38 mins 30 secs. His desire to get something out of each class that he can use (Te) and his complaint about not being able to grasp the abstract concepts of political science, describing it all as "moths at a middle distance" (Ni PoLR). He uses Fe situationally (role function) as well to emotionally manipulate. Not sure about subtype or enneagram, though.

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