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    Default Your stories and experiences with LSIs/ISTjs

    They’re so mysterious to me!
    I know hardly anything about them, and I think I’ve probably only met one.
    If anyone has had any experiences with ISTj’s please share
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    Did you ever play Final Fantasy 8? Squall Leonheart? Kind of like that.

    Usually on the terse side.

    I like ISTjs a lot, because I get along with them, and see a lot myself in them, even though I know I'm a lot more intutive and theoretical, thinking about the future and my visions of. They feel, to me, like brothers, or cousins, sort of.

    One ISTj I know is my uncle, and he's generally quiet. Pushes his son in sports. Slightly demanding of others around him, but cares for them too. He works as some sort of environmental consultant or something like that, I don't remember.

    Very serious persona. Nags with his wife (INFj, likely), a little bit.


    His wife is my aunt, and her father is also ISTj (my grandfather).

    These two ISTjs are very much a like, though originally I thought my g-father was INTj. The difference is that the ISTj is more focused on the here and now, more practical things. I'm more focused on the here and now in the future (and how to get there). But my grandfather was really, really smart. Totally into "do it yourself". He's married to an ENFj, and the bicker all the time. Check this link out. That is essentially how it is with them. Again, I thought my grandfather was an INTj T subtype because he was really reticent and stuff, but once I learned more about ISTjs it was clear.

    In general, what this dual pair is distinguished by is a certain 'aristocracy' and isolation from others, a complicated emotional life and fidelity to the sense of duty. One more mutual requirement of these types to each other: be prudent in your actions! For them 'imprudent' means 'not one of us', for they strive to avoid any uncertainty.
    (From the link). This was really true in my experience, and should be kept note of when dealing with the ISTj, too. If you are smart and wise around him, he will think more highly of you and give you more approval or leinency, or perhaps be slightly more generous, than if someone is doing stupid things all the time.

    If you look like an unstable person, or someone who is not of good character or whatever -- not reliable, or very inconsistent --- then you probably will have a hard time getting close or getting to know the ISTj.

    Kind of think of Mr. Darcy a little, too. (Though I wonder about his type. He defintely seems like MBTI INTJ, though --- improving the mind through reading literature, etc etc...). But keep in mind Mr. Darcy. Proud, reserved, watching others character, etc. Think of an ISFj, but colder, and more a T type.



    That's all I got right now. Feel free to correct stuffs, though.


    PS: I like this description, too http://socioniko.net/en/1.3.rels/index-rels.html
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    I imagine that you wouldn't find a lot of ISTjs on a forum like this. They probably would rather be "doing something"
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    I dated this guy and couldn't for the life of me figure out a type. ESFp didn't quite fit, but it was my best guess. Then he tested ISTP on an MBTI test and said the description fit okay. Looking at the functions, ISTj seems to fit him better... but I haven't seen him in a long time so I'm not totally sure. Illusionary seems perfect for the relationship though. It was euphoric at first, but pretty much the day we moved in together things got really shitty. Several break ups followed.
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    You thought an ISTj was ESFp?


    ?


    Maybe he was just one messed up muthafucker, as they say.

    I dated this guy and couldn't for the life of me figure out a type
    Sometimes that means that they are not psychologically well developed. I would avoid those people........ hmm........ ........ actually, I am beginning to see where that ESFp comment came from now.....
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    I hadn't seen him for years before I knew of socionics, and my memories of that period in time are rather vague.
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    heh. Upon reading his myspace, ISTj is sounding less likely. I think I'm gonna go post a type thread about him.
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    My dad is an ISTj, a conflictor. He is a good man, a very strong figure. Very smart he is extremely good at handling money. He is the most serious person i have ever met. You drop a cup, he will frown in your direction. Bang a plate he will say "what the hell was that" really loud. Im just used to it now. With his friends he laughs and really lets go it seems. Drank a lot of beer when he was younger. I have never seen him cry, he doesn't really ever sook. He builds in the house and as described is very practical. He has a sharp mind.

    I remember one occasion when i was about 7, when i went down to the oval to kick a football with him. He got frustrated as i was kicking it wrong and he left me and walked home. That did wonders for my sporting confidence. I ended up being decent at football without him and was successful at Martial Arts as well. Try having your conflictor as your maths tutor for enjoyable Slaps to your POLR.

    He probablly sounds like a demon, but he has a good heart. He even makes my lunch in the morning for me to take to work still lol
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    Hi all,

    I'm ISTJ -- if there's any way I can contribute to this thread, please don't hesitate to ask.

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    Hah, I know this kid who is extremely ISTj, logical subtype.

    So anyways, he was in my geometry class when we had that, and he was usually pretty quiet, except for sometimes when he'd talk to this ISTp kid that he's friends with. He always did really well in that class, and when everyone would get a 70% on a hard test, he'd always be the one flashing his 97% around, lol. I can only think of two times where I actually did better than him on a test in Geometry (out of the 8 gazillion we took). He was also really organized; just look at his binder.

    One time, we were on this field trip to the Met in NYC (a big, famous art museum), and after lunch, me and a few of my friends went into the room full of naked greek statues so we could hang out. So my friend, she has a bottle of Sprite left over from lunch, and she's holding it. The ISTj kid walks up to her, and goes, "Hey! No food or drink in the exhibit! I guess I'll have to drink that for you." He takes it away from her, and starts drinking it. He flirts a lot.

    Overall, he is a cool person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP II
    If you look like an unstable person, or someone who is not of good character or whatever -- not reliable, or very inconsistent --- then you probably will have a hard time getting close or getting to know the ISTj.
    best advice ever regarding ISTjs. it could probably also be applied to types in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP II
    Did you ever play Final Fantasy 8? Squall Leonheart? Kind of like that.
    I loved that game, never got around to finishing it though. Sounds kind of like the dark and mysterious type to me.
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    I highly doubt that a pretty-emo-boy like Squall's anything like an ISTj. More Fp than Tj.

    I loved that game, never got around to finishing it though.
    Do it! Unlocking Squall's final is a blast.
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    Here is my experience with the one ISTj that I’ve met (though there is the possibility that he could have been extroverted).

    It was a math teacher I had. He always seemed pretty nice, liked to joke and tell stories about his life that would usually have some kind of moral to it. He even had the stereotypical ISTj mustache and straightforward posture. I liked him a lot, and he seemed to be pretty fond of me until the middle of the year when winter came around. I would constantly be late for his class (it was in the morning) and I would miss a lot of days at school (so my grades started to lag a little). I knew he was disappointed in me, but he would never write me up or say anything to me about it. He would however start to talk to the class about how it was very important to never miss days and be tardy. He would always go on about how in his 10 years of teaching he was only late once, and only missed 2 and half days and there were very good reasons for it. He would kind of look at me with this disappointed glare. Things were never quite the same with him after that. I still feel pretty guilty about it...

    Does this seem like stereotypical ISTj behavior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I highly doubt that a pretty-emo-boy like Squall's anything like an ISTj. More Fp than Tj.

    I loved that game, never got around to finishing it though.
    Do it! Unlocking Squall's final is a blast.

    Don't forget, he was a 17 year old kid. types can get fucky around that age... (as in WTF is this emotion shit?)


    PS: excuse my language recently. I'm just having a cycle of stuff....
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    Now, there are also ISTjs who will seem VERY sociable... sort of. They will be nice, and maybe even show some sort of F. This, I've seen, is more so with female ISTjs. They can exude a sociability, and a confidence. But still keep in mind Darcy, sort of. It is all in a very aristocratic way, sort if.

    One ISTj I know clings to religion, as she is saved. She is very openly sociable, and knows her stuff. She's got her principles down, and they are solid. She likes evaluating stuff, and she has a good heart, but she is definitely structured and solid in her thought.

    Suprisingly, this one hides a hidden insecurity, likely from a 'troubled' past. She has a "Griever", so to say (for anyone who's played FF8). But there is no emo-kid to her, and there is no Fp or anything like that. She is so devoted to religion, and uses it as her crucible to judge all things against, but it is a result of something that happened a long time ago. So it is her way of shifting, pivoting against reality to create a more comfortable existence. Not that such is specific to any type, but more this individual's example of it.



    Now, another ISTj female I know was just a workaholic, and was a tough SOB - no one fucked with her. Did not talk about herself very much, or the past, but was secretly emotional about things. Very, very reserved. But a complete ISTj, and NOT an F type. Very aristocratic nature again.


    Now, the third ISTj female, one I met in HS, was again very similar. She, however, had a lot of money. She wasn't directly aristocratic, as she was sociable, but there was still an 'aritocratic air'. Very well dressed (all of the ISTjs were well dressed, and had a senst of style --- more so the females). But definitely , despite being decently sociable. This one basically described her thoughts of 'creativity' to me in the same way that my hardcore ISTj grandfather did. This female ISTj praised me for being able to be creative about things --- well, no, actually what she recognized was my with my . The way I could talk, with logic, but from varied and expanded perspectives. This one was very good with science, though, with logics. LIkely will be an engineer or something like that (like my aforementioned grandfather was).


    ISTjs generally have amazing work ethics. Very solid people. Indeed, they often live up to a title I saw in one socionics profile, of "being the most rational of the types".



    They are not usually very creative though (Sj), and generally do not great aspirtations. But this is where I am not so sure about things..... I know someone said Max Robi (the INTj model), was ISTj, but none of the one's I've ever been around seemed to have any great aspirtations, or at least revolutionary. They are Sj, and want to help the commmunity and what not, but I do not think they would challenge the status quo. They would rather work within it, or at what they could. ISTjs strike me as very, very conservative people, and would much rather do something that would have very reliable payoffs.

    Max Rob. might have been well dressed, but when I go out and am being visble, I dress well too --- anyone can really understand the logic of dressing to impress, even if they don't like to. Now, I don't know a lot about Max Rob., but the point I am trying to make is that ISTjs do not strike me as having revolutionary aspirations, or really, even political or influential aspirations. Not that they could not, or do not have the capabilities........ but, none of the one's I've ever come across as having that 'revolutionary esssence' to them.


    To close, I will just say that I don't think I've ever met an ISTj that I didn't like
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    The one I know is highly social. Sometimes she will not shut up and it gets on my nerves because it overloads me with too many things that I will be expected to recall later. I can memorize a lot but not that much in perfect order In her defense, she is very stressed, though. I wonder how she would be if her life was less stressful.

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    Another thing to look for is repetition of favored/known subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP II
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I highly doubt that a pretty-emo-boy like Squall's anything like an ISTj. More Fp than Tj.

    I loved that game, never got around to finishing it though.
    Do it! Unlocking Squall's final is a blast.

    Don't forget, he was a 17 year old kid. types can get fucky around that age... (as in WTF is this emotion shit?)


    PS: excuse my language recently. I'm just having a cycle of stuff....
    Eh, but SO emo? And taciturn? And...shit? I mean...dunno. ISTjs usually are louder during adolescence imho. Np for the language, as long as you don't try to teach people morals
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    My general practitioner is LSI. That dude isn't unfriendly, but he's not friendly either. He's excessively conservative and narrow-minded. I went to him a few number of times in order to resolve my anxiety issue, and despite of repeated he only prescribed me near-placebo treatments, with the excuse of "I don't want to numb you with medicines".

    - "Why do you prescribe me such sweets ? When I want sweets, I go to a sweetshop."

    - "These are no sweets, these are medicines."

    - "For children then ?"

    - "No, for adults."

    - "of the weaker sex !??"


    Those LSI's...

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    He doesn't want you to get addicted to anxiety meds. They can be addicting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He doesn't want you to get addicted to anxiety meds. They can be addicting.
    However I don't give a fuck anymore.

    This was an example of anecdote with an LSI.

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    There's a LSI guy in one of my classes. Sometimes we both happen to get to class a bit before anyone else gets there, and we...












































    Talk. I like him because he's easygoing, very approachable, and can hold a good conversation without being awkward at all. A true rarity.


    There's another LSI guy who is in a few of my classes, and we sometimes copy each others' homework. One time he accidentally (?) spilled water all over my crotch during a chem lab, so I got pissed. It was hard to stay mad at him for long, though, because he's a good guy otherwise.


    I had a really good friend last year who is LSI. At lunch, we'd always race over to a bench at my school, where we'd just talk for hours. It was really fun to make fun of passerbys who strolled by us. I haven't talked to her much recently though because she's in none of my classes this year. I should probably email her.

    So yeah, I can't think of any bad experiences I've had with LSIs. Overall, they're cool people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    to generalize among LSIs i've seen, it really makes me pity them that they are so incapable of dealing with fast and spontaneous change, like they have to logicize everything and make sense of everything. also, they have to always go by their book and rules and their order in things is so sacred that they get upset if even a tiniest deviation is observed. they become irritated and press till you restore things back. they are always like as if thinking about something and are felt like really solid rocks.
    I haven't noticed this in any of the LSIs I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    also if YOU don't know them it doesn't mean i'm wrong.
    Wait, you're saying that I don't know the LSIs that I know IRL? What the fuck?

    And yes, when you say that an entire type reacts in the exact same negative way to a very specific stimulus, you're making a gigantic generalization that really only applies to how you think that LSIs are "supposed" to act based on stereotypes. In other words, you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    well, the socionics IS about the general drift of types and i will not lie and say yes, i do fall to stereotype trap very often.

    as for "wtf" thing, i meant if you haven't f.e. seen any logical subtypes that i was describing IF the ones i was describing are indeed LSI-Ti.
    Yes, but your "general drift" as you call it only applies to a select few LSIs, not the entire type. I've yet to meet a LSI of either subtype who has acted in the way you said they do.

    And two of the three LSIs I mentioned in my anecdote are Ti subtypes. And no, neither of them act remotely in the way you described. And what's f.e.?
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    I have all reasons to hate LSI's :

    http://www.conf-intimes.1k.fr/voir_video.php?num=211

    http://www.conf-intimes.1k.fr/voir_video.php?num=106

    http://www.conf-intimes.1k.fr/voir_video.php?num=41

    http://www.conf-intimes.1k.fr/voir_video.php?num=35


    Objectively, LSI is the most hated type. If everyone in the world answered to the "most useless type" poll, I think LSI would be the most chosen type, because almost everyone hates LSI's.

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    Sigh... Beta STs make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    I don't have any anecdotes right now, but I wanted to mention that I don't hate ISTjs at all. Actually, if I could, I'd turn all my friends into ISTjs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    I don't have any anecdotes right now, but I wanted to mention that I don't hate ISTjs at all. Actually, if I could, I'd turn all my friends into ISTjs.
    That's cool, because I hate LSI's. You know, Stalin was LSI. Who was Stalin ? One of the worst bastards ever

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    http://cinemassacre.com/AVGN/Nes_Nerd_videos.html

    The dude is LSI. Check out, he's really funny.

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    I'm sure there were "evil" LIIs in history! I don't know who they were but that doesn't mean they didn't exist! LIIs can be assholes too you know! Rant! Rant! Rant! Rant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'm sure there were "evil" LIIs in history! I don't know who they were but that doesn't mean they didn't exist! LIIs can be assholes too you know! Rant! Rant! Rant! Rant!
    Like Jeffrey Dahmer or the Unabomber. They're still cooler than Stalin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    Like Jeffrey Dahmer or the Unabomber. They're still cooler than Stalin.
    Oh... so they're more cool because they're not LSIs. I see where you're going with this...

    The angry video game nerd thinks potatoes are assholes because they're unpredictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Oh... so they're more cool because they're not LSIs. I see where you're going with this...

    The angry video game nerd thinks potatoes are assholes because they're unpredictable.
    What do you find cool in LSI's exactly ?



    You know, all LSI's are as empathetic and friendly as this :



    or this :



    or even this :


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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    i don't think he is LSI. no LSI would do so much live Si obscenity to a dual's polr.
    Actually, it's obscenity

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    You know, all LSI's are as empathetic and friendly as this :

    <insert rock>

    or this :

    <insert computer>

    or even this :

    <insert fridge>
    Maybe those items have greater empathy further down than they appear to.

    Anyway, I'm empathetic. Others need not be if they don't want to.

    Caring about empathy is sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Maybe those items have greater empathy further down than they appear to.

    Anyway, I'm empathetic. Others need not be if they don't want to.

    Caring about empathy is sufficient.
    However. Empathy doesn't mean anything to LSI's, because it's like foreign language.

    It's pretty much like Jeffrey Dahmer is like Gandhi when compared to LSI's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    However. Empathy doesn't mean anything to LSI's, because it's like foreign language.

    It's pretty much like Jeffrey Dahmer is like Gandhi when compared to LSI's.
    Why do you care about empathy, Machintruc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Why do you care about empathy, Machintruc?
    Because it's something that seems to lack sometimes.

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