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    ILI-Ni
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    IEI > ILI

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    ILI-Ni; IEI-Ni or ESI as alternatives


    You know I was curious - I was interested in all kinds of mystery or deeper meanings in the paintings because I myself have not analyzed why they have turned out like this or like that.

    Some people would say my paintings show a future world and maybe they do, but I paint from reality. I put several things and ideas together, and perhaps, when I have finished, it could show the future. If people want to interpret my work as warnings about too much overpopulation, disease and mechanization in the future, then that is up to them. I like to combine human beings, creatures and biomechanics. And I love to work with bones - they are elemental and function and, after all, are part of human beings. I have many bones in my home in Zurich, and I study them and use them as models. Some people say my work is often depressing and pessimistic, with the emphasis on death, blood, overcrowding, strange beings and so on, but I don't really think it is. There is hope and a kind of beauty in there somewhere, if you look for it.


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    His stuff 'looks' Beta. Which is meaningless.

    https://www.google.com/search?site=&...58.Gh0dij_noW4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    His stuff 'looks' Beta. Which is meaningless.

    https://www.google.com/search?site=&...58.Gh0dij_noW4
    come on, suede, giger is not exactly meaningless. I could write you at least 2 pages about the symbolism in these images.

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    A pretty wonderful character and some great art. I'd be wrong if I tried to type him with my level of knowledge of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    come on, suede, giger is not exactly meaningless. I could write you at least 2 pages about the symbolism in these images.

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    I meant that my perception of it as 'looking' like Beta art is meaningless. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    ILI-Ni; IEI-Ni or ESI as alternatives
    esi is at odds with his interviews. several of his paintings were stolen. his response was helplessness before the fact. the entrance to his castle is open to anyone and do whatever they wish in it, he doesn't keep tabs. this resounds of weak sensing and the diametric opposite of esi reaction.


    What happened to your paintings?
    Some of them were sold and I don’t know to where, and some of them got stolen. It’s horrible.

    Were they stolen from your house?
    Some, yes. And during the transport to shows. That’s shit. The two paintings for Emerson Lake and Palmer, for their Brain Salad Surgery album, were stolen.

    What can you do in that situation?
    Nothing. I tried. I said I’ll pay 10,000 francs if someone knows anything about them. I don’t know where they are. It upsets me so much. I like those things and I did them in 1973 and Emerson Lake and Palmer even came to Switzerland to see them.

    If you were rich, what would you like to do with the castle?
    I’d like to buy back some paintings. There was an idea for a train set running through the castle, but it’s too crazy. It’s fantastical. It costs too much to make such a train and you could never pay if off. It would be very funny to have, but I still have to pay for the castle. I have two million I have to pay back to the bank for the castle, and that’s heavy.

    The castle gets a lot of visits from young rockers and goths. They seem to look on it as a bit of temple of darkness. Do you get any bizarre requests from them?
    Oh yes. I get a lot of strange people who come to see my work in Gruyeres. It’s very nice. You know people from the village they know my fans when they see them. They’re all in black. They want to marry there, do photo shoots, all kinds of stuff.

    Do you think they ever have sex in the castle?
    Ha, it’s possible. I don’t know. We don’t have everything so tightly controlled.

    Apart from art, is there anything else you collect?
    I have weapons. I never want to be without weapons. As protection. I like weapons. From a child I always had weapons.

    What’s your favorite weapon?
    I have a small 5mm, 22 caliber, it’s a small revolver. That was what Li (Giger’s first wife) shot herself with. It’s very small. I have three revolvers with gunpowder in the barrel. You can fill them up. That’s fun.
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    giger on the writers that influenced him.


    You’ve said before that much of the inspiration for your art comes from dreams, and more specifically nightmares?
    Everyone always wants to know about my dreams. The inspiration is mostly from literature actually. I have read so many things that have inspired me. Beckett was very much an inspiration for me. His theater, especially. I made paintings as a homage to Samuel Beckett [Homage to S. Beckett I,II,III]. They were some of the very few colored paintings I’ve done.

    What other writers were an inspiration for you?
    Crime writers especially. I started with Edgar Wallace and then all sorts of Western writers.

    Your work comes from a much darker place than Beckett or Wallace?
    Darker, yes. It came partly from Chur where I grew up; partly from the war. I was born in 1940 so I could feel the atmosphere when my parents were afraid. The lamps were always a bluish dark, so the planes would not bomb us. Switzerland and Germany are close. The targets weren’t always very well marked. I felt the fear of that very much. Later on at a certain time I saw a lot of witchcraft books and stuff like that. H. P. Lovecraft and these kind of people. I’d say my inspiration comes from books mostly, but dreams also.

    Is there any way that you can control the dreams and manipulate your surroundings from within the dream?
    Yeah, sometimes it happens and I can remember when I’m in a dream. Or I get the feeling like I’m out of my body. A long time ago, about 10 or even 20 years ago, I had that. But it didn’t happen to me often. Probably four or five times. But yeah, that was strong.

    Was it frightening?
    No. It wasn’t frightening. It was just, well, I was so surprised. A dream where I can’t get enough air, that’s frightening. Or the kind of dream where I was stuck in a grave or something like that, that was frightening. But later I developed these passages paintings [Passage I-XXX] and they were very good for that. I got some sort of relief. I got no more bad dreams when I painted these passages. It was helpful.

    Does that happen often?
    No, not often, but I did the right thing because at the time these passage dreams were ruining my work. It was the right thing to make me feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    come on, suede, giger is not exactly meaningless. I could write you at least 2 pages about the symbolism in these images.

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    https://www.google.com/search?site=&...2F%3B340%3B536
    This is one of my favorite tarot decks and the symbolism is usually very relevant to the issue. I use this deck for "darker" human issues. Love it!

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    esi is at odds with his interviews. several of his paintings were stolen. his response was helplessness before the fact. the entrance to his castle is open to anyone and do whatever they wish in it, he doesn't keep tabs. this resounds of weak sensing and the diametric opposite of esi reaction.


    What happened to your paintings?
    Some of them were sold and I don’t know to where, and some of them got stolen. It’s horrible.

    Were they stolen from your house?
    Some, yes. And during the transport to shows. That’s shit. The two paintings for Emerson Lake and Palmer, for their Brain Salad Surgery album, were stolen.

    What can you do in that situation?
    Nothing. I tried. I said I’ll pay 10,000 francs if someone knows anything about them. I don’t know where they are. It upsets me so much. I like those things and I did them in 1973 and Emerson Lake and Palmer even came to Switzerland to see them.

    If you were rich, what would you like to do with the castle?
    I’d like to buy back some paintings. There was an idea for a train set running through the castle, but it’s too crazy. It’s fantastical. It costs too much to make such a train and you could never pay if off. It would be very funny to have, but I still have to pay for the castle. I have two million I have to pay back to the bank for the castle, and that’s heavy.

    The castle gets a lot of visits from young rockers and goths. They seem to look on it as a bit of temple of darkness. Do you get any bizarre requests from them?
    Oh yes. I get a lot of strange people who come to see my work in Gruyeres. It’s very nice. You know people from the village they know my fans when they see them. They’re all in black. They want to marry there, do photo shoots, all kinds of stuff.

    Do you think they ever have sex in the castle?
    Ha, it’s possible. I don’t know. We don’t have everything so tightly controlled.

    Apart from art, is there anything else you collect?
    I have weapons. I never want to be without weapons. As protection. I like weapons. From a child I always had weapons.

    What’s your favorite weapon?
    I have a small 5mm, 22 caliber, it’s a small revolver. That was what Li (Giger’s first wife) shot herself with. It’s very small. I have three revolvers with gunpowder in the barrel. You can fill them up. That’s fun.
    IEI.

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    I think some sort of very Ni ILI is also possible. I can´t see too much Te PoLR in him.
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    For all the people saying IEI, will someone please tell me what about Giger or his art says "Merry Quadra" to you? And IEIs are in top four merriest types in the socion, due to their Fe.

    Also, dude studied Industrial Design. That totally sounds like someone with Te-PolR.

    Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    For all the people saying IEI, will someone please tell me what about Giger or his art says "Merry Quadra" to you? And IEIs are in top four merriest types in the socion, due to their Fe.

    Also, dude studied Industrial Design. That totally sounds like someone with Te-PolR.

    Jesus.
    And if you see some traces of Fe in his quotes (I don't expect it to be very visible in his works) .... show them to me. When he wants to overcome the darkness and combo of distortedly biological&mechanical, he starts speaking about the beauty that can be found even in what appears to be ugliness, death, and decay. That strikes me rather as Fi tertiary than Fe creative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    When he wants to overcome the darkness and combo of distortedly biological&mechanical, he starts speaking about the beauty that can be found even in what appears to be ugliness, death, and decay. That strikes me rather as Fi tertiary than Fe creative.
    why? my first thought is contra-flow instinct stackings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    This is one of my favorite tarot decks and the symbolism is usually very relevant to the issue. I use this deck for "darker" human issues. Love it!
    His art makes me feel estrangement and respect at the same time. I wouldn't buy his paintings or surround myself with works of his for the sake of close affinity, but I can see how good he is.

    Tarot ..oh well, I must admit that the Thoth is the only deck I cannot take my eyes off. It's like fauvist art (raw, intense, reduced to minimal and essential meaning, chromatically luxuriant and expressive), Crowley's vision strikes me to the core. I don't know what type Alister was, I tend to see him as a Ne rather than Ni..but I haven't actually read much of his esoteric works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    why? my first thought is contra-flow instinct stackings.
    That as well. I take him for sp/sx. But I meant a purely personal preference and vision of beauty distilled as an artistic ideal. I don't see any emotional expression or interest in such a thing in what he says and does....

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    LII so/sp

    What I've noticed from his interviews was Se polr and some kind of inertness to his sensing. I'd agree with FDG that he doesn't have a Te polr and otherwise doesn't make an impression of an ethical type.


    Another thing that caught my eye was his SX-lastness. Despite all the sexual imagery embedded in his work, it is of little meaning and value to Giger and apparently doesn't draw any of his attention:

    "But what about the erotic element in his work? Many images feature subtle (and often decidedly unsubtle) depictions of various human body parts, entwined in peculiar ways. He appears to ignore the question entirely: “The strongest thing in my work, I think, is the claustrophobic stuff. I still sometimes have shitty dreams with that in... being inside rooms that are like graves, a stone grave, a tomb. And I always think in the dream, ‘Oh my god, why am I here?’” He laughs. "Claustrophobic things are terrible. I used to think all that was finished but it’s still here. That’s more important to me than the erotic stuff." He adds that it was “never in my mind” to try to shock people with that sort of imagery.
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